To those lazy people(like me) there will be a summary at the end of the post. just flick thru until you find it, cant miss it its in big writing. Dont post unless you have atleast read this first post.


Yet another edit The following was made by nfsjunkie91
THE DEFINITIVE REPLY ABOUT THIS TOPIC
read this damn it.

Problem: OMG! people will make invisible gosteks!!1!
Solutions: There will be either an uneditable white skeleton beneath the gostek, or an invisible pixel counter (or both), so that cheating would be veryhard/impossible.

Problem: There will be WAAAAY too much lag produced by downloading gosteks from server!
Solutions: A)Download from the player himself, at a slow rate, and do not show the gostek until it is finished downloading. B)Use a torrent system to download the gosteks from every other player who has that particular gostek. C)Make a lobby before each game, or a warmup time like in Wolf ET, so that everyone can download the files. In the warmup time, there would be no ping bans. D)Optional gostek downloading.
Note that players joining a match half way thru will appear in classic gosteks until the next map change.

Problem: Someone makes their gostek black/not white! How can i tell what team they are on!?
Solutions: A) Put team arrows above their heads B) You could have forced torso colors, but this would not solve the problems well.

Problem: OMG EROTIC GOSTEK!!11!1!eleven
Solutions: A) Ban that person from using custom gosteks, by either server option, or voting. B) Option to turn off online gosteks should be made available. (suck it up, and enjoy the moment)

Problem: ZOMG! my gostek is 1337 but i want no one to downlaod it!11!1!@@!21onehundredandeleven!
Solutions: A)make gosteks password protected. B)Option to turn off online gosteks C)Automatically delete temporarily downloaded gosteks (jeez, just deal with it if your gostek is stolen, the noobs wont find their way to the files anyway. :P )

Problem: Same named gosteks
Solutions: A)Make it a different name, like bobsstek918 or something. B)Gosteks would only be temporarily saved on your computer.

Problem: OMG. HARD DRIVE FULL.
Solutions:A)All gosteks temp downloaded. B)A delete function in soldat to clear the downloaded gosteks folder.

Problem:There's a guy whose head is as big as the level!
Solutions: Limit gostek size to a certain amount, maybe 2-3 pxls more than the standard gostek right now.

The following was made by a-4-year-old

"Problem: There will be WAAAAY too much lag produced by downloading gosteks from server!"
MY solution: GET BETTER INTERNETS CHEAPASS!

"Problem: OMG EROTIC GOSTEK!!11!1!eleven"
solution: ban before they use the secret command!

"Problem: ZOMG! my gostek is 1337 but i want no one to downlaod it!11!1!@@!21onehundredandeleven!"
solution: nobody wants your stupid halo gostek

"Problem: OMG. HARD DRIVE FULL."
solution: DONT BUY COMPUTERS FROM THE SALVATION ARMY and delete some porn/

one solution that kills exessivly many birds with one stone
no gostecs over <insert size> kb less lag, no giant heads, no full hard drives no (detailed) profain gostecs.

you have been told if i hear one more person say "what about invisible gosteks" im gonna b!tch slap you back to where ever the hell you came from :P


My idea is that the gosteks of the soldat ragdoll of each player should be the gostek that other players see on that player ingame. This wouldnt mean much change but people who have custom gosteks, the custom gosteks would be visable to others while online. This would encourage players to create custom gosteks giving them a unique look. This would result in an improved player to player recognisation and thus a closer community, while also adding to the realism as everyone looks different. Imagine, instead of looking like a normal soldat to others you could make a custom gostek where your shirtless RAMBO style or if your a fantasy buff, you could have elvish armor (id go for the shirtless).
I believe this could be implemented by downloading each custom gostek on entry to a game and when ever someone with a custom gostek enters the game. As only the ragdoll gostek would be downloaded, and the size of the ragdol gosteks would be a max of (estimation)5kb the legnth of time taken to enter a game would only be extended by a extremly small amount of time and there would be hardly any effect on the gameplay when a playler enters a game. The downloaded gosteks would then be stored in a folder so that downlaoded gosteks wouldnt need to be downlaoded again, much like the map download system. This would also allow the downloaded gosteks to be used if wanted.
I believe that this suggestion should be implemented as it would create a closer community as players would be able to recognise each other during the game at a glance. It would also allow the players to have a deeper input into the game and with the creation of gostek makers players could do this easily, without any experience (though it helps). If this suggestion is implemented a gostek maker could even be intergrated into the game for convenience to the player.


SUMMARY
I suggest that the ragdol gosteks of players should be visable to other players while online. This would allow players to make gosteks for all to see while playing online.

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this is an old idea... I heard something about it would be implementeed in the next version, but im not really sure... anyway its a great idea ;)

i like this idea very much. i´d really like to see halo guy killing canadian guys :P

Yes! I like this idea! Custom gosteks for online! >:()

That'd be awesome.

I'd really like to see this implimented.

quote:Originally posted by TaalTo those lazy people(like me) there will be a summary at the end of the post. just flick thru until you find it, cant miss it its in big writing.



My idea is that the gosteks of the soldat ragdoll of each player should be the gostek that other players see on that player ingame. This wouldnt mean much change but people who have custom gosteks, the custom gosteks would be visable to others while online. This would encourage players to create custom gosteks giving them a unique look. This would result in an improved player to player recognisation and thus a closer community, while also adding to the realism as everyone looks different. Imagine, instead of looking like a normal soldat to others you could make a custom gostek where your shirtless RAMBO style or if your a fantasy buff, you could have elvish armor (id go for the shirtless).
I believe this could be implemented by downloading each custom gostek on entry to a game and when ever someone with a custom gostek enters the game. As only the ragdoll gostek would be downloaded, and the size of the ragdol gosteks would be a max of (estimation)5kb the legnth of time taken to enter a game would only be extended by a extremly small amount of time and there would be hardly any effect on the gameplay when a playler enters a game. The downloaded gosteks would then be stored in a folder so that downlaoded gosteks wouldnt need to be downlaoded again, much like the map download system. This would also allow the downloaded gosteks to be used if wanted.
I believe that this suggestion should be implemented as it would create a closer community as players would be able to recognise each other during the game at a glance. It would also allow the players to have a deeper input into the game and with the creation of gostek makers players could do this easily, without any experience (though it helps). If this suggestion is implemented a gostek maker could even be intergrated into the game for convenience to the player.


SUMMARY
I suggest that the ragdol gosteks of players should be visable to other players while online. This would allow players to make gosteks for all to see while playing online.

Example
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= more LAAAAG.

I don't care.

Not the custom weapons too, that would cause mass confusion.

Just the gosteks.

I don't think it would create that much lag...

it would only cause lag whne someone eterd the game, and not that much at all(as i said almost unnoticable). the custom weapon wouldnt be seen online, i did the pic in like 2 mins and forgot about the weapons. only the cutom ragdoll gosteks would be visable to people online. not weapons

This would increase Soldat's size to the point where the computer would explode.

It would be easy to cheat, i mean people will make a completely invisible person.

cant you already do that with the soldat soldier colour editors, i know the one i found you could(i never did though, honest)and thats what the kick commands for. in regard to the computer exploding, there could be a button in the gostek editor inside soldat (assuming my suggestion is implemented) that deletes all downloaded gosteks, keeping the one in the soldat folder of course. that and keeping a fire extiguisher handy helps :P

Keron Cyst 'takes' your suggestion, and in turn, you 'take mine' :P
I suggested this a while ago, but everyone seemed to be against it, but I love the idea! I could finally have a pirate hat!

lol yes captain i thought of you when i stole this idea :P its the thought that counts

totaly should be implemented! anyone knows anything about the new soldat version?

Invisible people...that's all I have to say.

all i have to say is: THERE WILL BE 2 DIFFERENT GOSTEKS FOR CTF AND INF, WTF MORE DO YA WANT??

and invisible gosteks.

quote:Originally posted by papasurf31Invisible people...that's all I have to say.


PEerhaps an unmoddable skeleton under the current gosteks? like a bunch of white lines that you can see if the person removes all of their gosteks.

Heh. That would take zombie games to a whole new dimension.

Considering Michal is adding two team gosteks, I think this is unessesary, and would mean that would need to be un-implemented.
Maybe for non-team games, but other than that, no, not really, no.

the two different gosteks for different teams is for mods, and would only be visable for people with the mod, for everyone else it would look exactly the same, in my idea everyone look different assuming that they all have custom gosteks. the two gostk featurejust means you would have to make a copy of the gostek for the second team or make a completly different one so that you have a different gostek hen you play on the second team. i really think the pros of this idea far out wiegh the cons, and would also add to the enjoyablility of the game.in regard to the invisable soldier, captain bens idea is simple and should be implemented any way as people can change the soldiers body invsable any way with some colour changers

Themed servers could take it to a whole new level:
Just imagine: Jason chasing his victims!

yeah captain ben, then you could have clans that all have alien gotesks, or Mech gosteks, or predator gostks......The almighty M would like that one :P. what i reckon is even better is that youll be able to identify people by there looks, like you, captain ben from your pirate hat,or by kamikazicows camo or me by my horrbly cool mech gosteks :p. i hope MM sees this

Yar.

Customizeable .POAs would be nice as well. I'd like to do a themed 'lol' server :D

maybe .POA's could be put in later on, there not really a big part of the game. after a while there could be compititions on whos gosteks are better, and mayb after a while a certain gostek could even spark fear in people as they know that the person underneath is really good

I really like this idea! movies would be 100x better :D

I agree, very nice suggestion.
Raptor is right too.

On one level, this sounds like a really cool idea. However, it would really be a blow to the old-fashioned feel of Soldat.

In other words, there should be an option whether or not to accept custom gosteks online.

i already made 2 gosteks already, search for my movie Whats Up Doc? 2, and you'll see.

i really like this idea, it reminds me of a game called "graal online" i used to play, that was a MMORPG so im sure somthing like this could be implimented in soldat.

it would be great to be able to notice people by thier looks, also personally i think this would be great if it was a registered only thing, as then it would add slightly more incentive to make people register.

although, there would have to be somthing stopping people making compleatly invisible gosteks, perhaps if soldat checked how many non invisible pixels there were in a gostek and wouldnt allow people with too few to play.

again, as i have said i have played games with this sorta thing in before, and it really rocks for being able to notice people just by their looks and having each player look individual.

quote:Originally posted by UltraMagnus
although, there would have to be somthing stopping people making compleatly invisible gosteks, perhaps if soldat checked how many non invisible pixels there were in a gostek and wouldnt allow people with too few to play.



HUZAAR, we have a winner!

quote:Originally posted by Captain Benquote:Originally posted by papasurf31Invisible people...that's all I have to say.


PEerhaps an unmoddable skeleton under the current gosteks? like a bunch of white lines that you can see if the person removes all of their gosteks.

quote:Originally posted by UltraMagnusit would be great to be able to notice people by thier looks, also personally i think this would be great if it was a registered only thing, as then it would add slightly more incentive to make people register.That sounds good to me.

im glad you people like my ideas about this.

to be honest i think this is the best suggestion that has been on this forum since i started playing soldat

i was wondering, would there be any problem with downloading gosteks like there is currently with custom maps?

i also like you ideas magnus :P i know id register if this is mplemented.
UltraMagnus: maybe if the custom gosteks couldnt download for some reason it would just go back to the normal gosteks.
Zero72: it shouldnt be a an option just an added extra when you register

p.s. magnus i also agree this is one of the best suggestion ever posted :P

yeah, thats quite a good idea, i would hate to get a "wrong gostek detected" message and not be able to join a server >_<, or perhaps if it used a less buggy transfer protocol than UDP...

quote:Originally posted by Taal
Zero72: it shouldnt be a an option just an added extra when you registerBlah, I still don't think so. There's no law that says you have to play MP3 music or change your jet color when you register, so I don't see why you'd have to automatically collect custom gosteks all the time. There should be an option of whether or not to recieve and/or show them.

yeah, but if it was a option it wouldnt make people want to register

right it should be an option, that can only be turned on after you register

Hehe nice idea but then i will make a soldat so smart as a dot so nobody can see me :P.
This is a bad idea ;)

lol reall sbu we kinda already discussed that, try reading the whole forum. the skeleton under neath the bosy and the limited invisable pixels idea on page 1

quote:Originally posted by Taalright it should be an option, that can only be turned on after you register


nah, what i meant was that it shouldnt be a option to download other peoples custom gosteks, however it should only be an option for registered players to have their own custom gostek

and yes, there would need to be some way of stopping people making themselves invisible, but that has already been discussed, however, to recap personally i think the easiest way would be to make a minimum amount of non invisible pixels for a gostek, as it would probabally be harder to impliment a skelekton

no actualy the invisable gosteks would only work for a coulor changer as they could do a dot for each gostek. the skeleton would be the only solution that would work. so maybe a cream skeleton behind the gosteks that is of a minimum size, any smaller and you can see the skeleton. good forzombie matches though

Almost a good idea. A better idea would be the ability to customize a particular part for example a custom hat. Imagine a crouching barretard who looks like a bush. Or someone lying down who looks like a bump on the ground. I doubt Michal will want to make soldat need to download more things from a server. what happens when 2 people use the same filenames for the gosteks? There is a 0.01% chance that we'll see this feature in the next version. The best we can realisticly hope for is a better selection of hair, hats, chains, etc. And a higher resolution for the game would be nice to so we can have more detailed gosteks.

Keep dreaming.. Would be pretty cool though wouldn't it .. ;<

quote:Originally posted by RaVeN6_6_6Almost a good idea. A better idea would be the ability to customize a particular part for example a custom hat. Imagine a crouching barretard who looks like a bush. Or someone lying down who looks like a bump on the ground. I doubt Michal will want to make soldat need to download more things from a server. what happens when 2 people use the same filenames for the gosteks? There is a 0.01% chance that we'll see this feature in the next version. The best we can realisticly hope for is a better selection of hair, hats, chains, etc. And a higher resolution for the game would be nice to so we can have more detailed gosteks.


hmm, never thought about what would happen if two people named their gosket parts the same, hmm, perhaps if the persons computer renamed it say from "randomgosket" to "randomgostek001" ect, and "remembered"

and it wouldnt be downloading from the server, it would be downloading from the persons computer that has the custom gosket

Perhaps the gosteks should be saved to files in 'net gosteks' name under the players name? So incase you liked their gosteks, you can go and steal 'em!

yeah magnus, solution found, thered also be an auto delete of the downloaded gosteks that are (enter amount of days old) or something like tyhat

ah, thats a good idea, but i dont like the idea of auto deleting them, perhaps a auto archive function?

yeah archive them and then theres a button that deletes them in the game

It's not like there's going to be 327 mb of stored gosteks or anything.

lol 327mb worth of gosteks is roughly 65400 gosteks, :P

See what I mean? Like you'd ever get that many screwing up your memory.

yeah, so there isnt really a need for archiving or deleting goskets, unless soldat got uber detailed where you could see a soldats bogie or somthing anyway

yeah i geuss if you wnted too you could just dfelete them manauly. after like a months you weould have most of the popular gosteks so lag for continulously downloading gosteks would only be occasionly. there is absolutly nothing stopping this idea, but i dont think itll get implemented anytime soon

how about no.

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Not that I know a lot about how games are run, but would it be possible to have the gostek files for the soldat as a single bitmap image, and "get" the individual images as sections off the single picture? This would save some hassle in naming thousands of different body parts as different images.

For example, the leg would be a section from say... pixel 10,0 to 15,10... and the other parts would all be arranged in a similar way.

By the way, if this were to be put into Soldat, it would be a pity if only registered users could use it (I am not registered).

One main problem, as was pointed out earlier, there could be many people using the same name, all conflicting with the others' names. This could be solved in two ways, apart from overwriting files as new ones are downloaded.

Firstly, there could be some sort of permanent server for files which registers names and only uploads a name once - however every player must download the files from there only. This probably wouldn't work very well.

Secondly, the whole name system for Soldat could be changed so that instead of connecting freely, a player must create an account with a name (i.e. 'I_Am_Noob_58435') and register it even if they are not a paying player. This would mean that there would only be one name for each person, and therefore no conflicting image files. I don't think Michal would want to make Soldat like this, especially since everyone is used to being able to change their names very quickly. However being hard to change your name would give your name more meaning, as no-one would choose a bad name or swap their name every day.

These ideas aren't probably any good or even new at all. But they might be something to think about.

quote:Originally posted by Oliver StannusNot that I know a lot about how games are run, but would it be possible to have the gostek files for the soldat as a single bitmap image, and "get" the individual images as sections off the single picture? This would save some hassle in naming thousands of different body parts as different images.

For example, the leg would be a section from say... pixel 10,0 to 15,10... and the other parts would all be arranged in a similar way.

By the way, if this were to be put into Soldat, it would be a pity if only registered users could use it (I am not registered).

One main problem, as was pointed out earlier, there could be many people using the same name, all conflicting with the others' names. This could be solved in two ways, apart from overwriting files as new ones are downloaded.

Firstly, there could be some sort of permanent server for files which registers names and only uploads a name once - however every player must download the files from there only. This probably wouldn't work very well.

Secondly, the whole name system for Soldat could be changed so that instead of connecting freely, a player must create an account with a name (i.e. 'I_Am_Noob_58435') and register it even if they are not a paying player. This would mean that there would only be one name for each person, and therefore no conflicting image files. I don't think Michal would want to make Soldat like this, especially since everyone is used to being able to change their names very quickly. However being hard to change your name would give your name more meaning, as no-one would choose a bad name or swap their name every day.

These ideas aren't probably any good or even new at all. But they might be something to think about.


or it could just (as already suggested) keep a folder in a "player gosteks" folder for each player you meet

quote:Originally posted by MOFO NOFOhow about no.

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how about you explain why you dont like the idea?

Having a thousand folders each containing a set of files is just messy. Making one file a gfx set would be a bit tidier... imagine having seperate files for scenery layout, polygon layout and map settings for a map.

i suppose..

the other option is when soldat downloads a new gostek it names it <player name>_<gostek name>

so say, soldier, named his gostek magostek, when you downloaded it, it woudl be soldier_magostek

Yeah I guess that would work, but it wouldn't solve the double-name problem... unless you had a random number generator for the file when it was created that whacked on a big blob of random info like... Spartan367751385786233.bmp

Messy though. I also wonder how Soldat itself would handle loading up different textures at different points in a game.

How about NO, i can imaging lime gosteks

You say that it has to have atleast 1 colour besides lime, well what if the gosteks white, then they use lime in thecolour options. teh cthru

MOFO NOFO your not making any sense

this has already been bought up and it was suggested that it would either require the addition of a skelecton layer or a limit on how many "lime green" (aka invisible) pixels you can have

what are the reasons against putting this in??

I guess it would take some coding, and theres the problem of it lagging out people when others join - this isn't significant for map download because it only affects players prior to joining. Maybe the thought that people would make really stupid characters is holding the idea back. Personally, I'd like to give it a try, though I'm not sure MM would put it in any time soon.

It could also work without the up/downloading of the gosteks. You set your soldier to a "gostek" (gosteks-gfx/zombie) and if other players on the server have that gostek "installed" they will use it if not they will use the default gostek.

There should have an arrow above their head (optional) because with a lot of gosteks its hard to regognize the team colour.

but the limegreen pizels arnt counted if the lime is added ingame. as i said, when u have a white char, you could make the char invisible.

ALSO: i think this should be allowed or not CLIENT side: because i dun wanna d/l Pooy gosteks.

Yeah, it could be a problem with team colours.

quote:Originally posted by MOFO NOFObut the limegreen pizels arnt counted if the lime is added ingame. as i said, when u have a white char, you could make the char invisible.

ALSO: i think this should be allowed or not CLIENT side: because i dun wanna d/l Pooy gosteks.


uh, i still dont get what your saying, if your saying that limgreen pixels arnt counted if their added in game, last time i checked if you selected lime green as your shirt colour it just made your shirt lime green, not invisible...

as for not wanting to download "pooy" goskets, IMO anyone who knows how to make gosteks should be able to make good ones

I suspect we'll be getting alot of Halo and KIllzone gosteks.

Yeah, but those are good games (Halo, Killzone). It will also make it even easier to spot our less-skilled friends. Not only will the be called 'Soldier', but they will look like plain old Soldaten.

lol yeah, good point, another reason to add it :P

halo, killzone, the list is endless

mmm, not to mention making bots that actually look like they should, zombies that are zombieish, Mr. T in a <insert whatever he wears here> and a compleatly inept gw bush wearing a suit!

Robot bots! :D..I would love for this to be implemented into soldat. If someone made their own gostek of plain lime green, and you can't see them, there should be a host option when the host pauses, to make all characters use original soldaten gosteks or something..

...or, as been suggested, there is a base skeleton soldat underneath.

lol i like it when people dont read the whole topic :P, it makes them look dumb :P.

never add this one.. (What if i make myself 100% transparent? :&(

-_- claw read the whole topic

Even if custom online gosteks didn't happen, I'd atleast like to see downloadable hats.

this would be awsome but i worried it would cause alot of lag

well how about you only download the gostkes once you eneter a game, if people join the server after you have joined, the computer checks if you have their gostek and if you dont they look like the normal gostek

This sounds like a fun idea, But i think it would be simple enough to just add more Costume parts to the game, apart from the old helmet,hat, neckchains and hairstyles............

That too.

the point is people would be able to make thier own gosteks,and people would be able to seethem while playing online. having morecostume partsstill wouldnt allow people to be unique

indeed, just having more stuff to choose from would be nice, but it would be infinatly more nicer and infinatly more customizable to just have customizable gosteks, i mean finally we would be able to recognise people by how they look and not have a load of clones that look exactly the same running around everywhere

A full gostek is too much, people could make invisble gosteks and stuff. Mabey a custom hat but thats about all you could do.

Please God, please, read the whole thread before posting. If not, atleast read the starting post of the topic. We've already discussed and solved the problem of invisible gosteks.

Because of some of the ideas people have brought up here about skeletons and pixel counts, I think this feature has some real potential. It would make Soldat that much more fun :P

People would be able to see my awesome Big Boss gostek online :D

The filesize and image size restrictions are alright, it would be good if you are required to have a certain ammount of transparent pixels so people dont create small characters. That or just leave it as it is, my Big Boss gostek follows the restrictions so it works online anyways.

*Cough*bump*Cough* ooh how embarressing :P yeah i know im gonna get flamed for this but i think it could still be discussed or atleast have its potential realised

well im not gonna flame you....

this would pwn. Super Customized.

And then we should get spraypaint marks, like HL engine


Of course "custom gostek server option"

What will you do about some guy who makes an obscene image for a gostek and you're playing on your favorite ded. server and the vote-kicks don't seem to work?

it would be pretty stupid making a naked gostek cus there just little people theres nothing to see....o yAH if there is custom gosteks then you can just colour the gostek green so then it's invisible to everyone else

There could be a "mute"-type feature for obscene/annoying gosteks. You shouldn't be *forced* to view custom gosteks... but the people who enjoy seeing custom gosteks should be able to. I like this idea a lot, even though I doubt I have the skill to make a l33t gostek.

This would be one of the most totally awesome things to ever happen to Soldat, ever. Period.

As long as it's gosteks only, otherwise it would get ridiculous.

There could be an auto kick device, where if you had transparency toned down too much(limits on body parts) it would become an auto kick.

I really like this idea. Especially the concept of the skeleton.

keron cyst, i would have some special alone time ;)

speaking of skeletons and such...halloween is coming up! imagine if everyone dressed up for halloween....i'm such a dork, lol.

well keron it will happen, some noob, or old vet who is really bored, will eventually make..i dont know a dildo gostek but in a game with more blood then the original halo after meleeing a dead grunt 200 times, it wouldnt really matter, and thats why you have admins.
Edit: the holaween idea is whats great about it, skeletons on holaween, santas on christmas, pirates on......easter. as long as it fits into the file size and picture size limits it can be used.

Pirates on International Talk Like A Pirate Day.



But yeah, screw the people who go running around as genitals and stuff. If everyone hates the guy's gostek, they can just "mute" it like one guy suggested, or an admin could force him into a different gostek using a command.

...Yaknow, it'd be pretty neat for servers to have their own custom gosteks...

ah yomammas it is custom gosteks for every individual person, so there could be say 5 players using 5 different gosteks, its like customizing your looks on an MMORPG but to the EXTREME!!!!!

I know that--the midsection of my previous post would make no sense otherwise. It'd just be neat for servers to have their own gosteks if they want, in order to better establish a theme, promote various mods, have clan uniforms, etc.

You know, in addition to individual gosteks.

thats a totaly different idea, with the ideas formulated in this topic i believe we have everything MM needs to implement it, unless theres a reason it should be put in ??

I guess viewing other people's gosteks should be optional and if you are worried about invisible just turn it off I guess

...turn off invisable... okie dokey pokey smokie, just thinking about it, if this was implemented i would want a complete gostek editor intergrated into the game, or at least came with the game for convenience what do you guys think

I think that is an idea that should get implemented, and yes ive red all 6 pages... which is alot o-o

But, just imagine, here would be a site Just for custom gosteks and whatnot... there would be gostek packs and stuff o_o;

Itd be like UT2K4 with the skins thing they have

Which would be sweet! nice idea, got my signeture...or thumbs up, or whever it is

Taal, you seem determined to keep this thread alive until the very end...
But I's agree.

yay! i would make it into a gosteck out of myself kind of like now but better. i have a ? tho could you make your soldat BIG and small cause that would be over abused i mean GODZILLA SOLDAT and ANT SOLDAT 1px by 1px

That'd be effectively impossible, due to the ragdoll skeletons or whatever.

4-your-old -- it would be extremely simple to guarantee that all gosteks conform to a certain size. Plus as YoMammasMamma says, it wouldn't work with the ragdoll. So no worries on that front.

quote:Originally posted by F3nyx4-your-old -- it would be extremely simple to guarantee that all gosteks conform to a certain size. Plus as YoMammasMamma says, it wouldn't work with the ragdoll. So no worries on that front.


oh well my soldat will be thinner than me :/ (yes i am Kinda fat ill let you get your giggles out now)

I once tried to make my pants transparent. When I went into the game they were bright yellow. I don't think we need all these certain-transparency-equals-vote-kick things, eh?

Also, if someone makes their clothes lime, it's lime, not invisible.

Finally i can look like the ninja from n....good idea

quote:Originally posted by warpoFinally i can look like the ninja from n....good idea


Lol! I support this idea 100%

lol, yeah Ben i have cause its a damn good idea. i wanna pwn someone with a emo gostek

Pirates at Easter for me.

for you pirates all round :P and coaster shoes for coaster man, it all can be achieved with the low low fee of implementing this, and if you pay by credit card, maybe even a gosteks maker that comes with the game

if you make your pants green, you cant see your pants, but they can :P

what?! does that relate to this topic in anyway. i want MMs opinion in this, even if its only to say itll never happen,

Yeah, this idea has gotten so much approval from the players that it'd be interesting to see what MM thinks of it. At the very least, we'd be able to let this topic finally die :P

lol give us something :P, soldat movies would be great with this, with each actor/character with his own look. we might even get full fledged movies, with story lines instead of just kill after kill after kill

Ever thought of Pm'ing, Taal?

thats so crazy, it might just work

This would be a very cool option. I thought about it years ago, but I didn't do it because there are certain problems. For example the file downloading doesn't work as well as I would like to. If I could get that working then it would be easier from that point.

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Now that I've recovered from my drooling and arousal, I'm very much excited :D

quote:Originally posted by Taalthats so crazy, it might just work


EET DEET!

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Wow that would be sweet! maybe you can allready make the different gosteks but without the downloading part.
Only send the gostek (folder) name of the players and if you have the gostek it it'll use it if not it will use the default gostek.

And also if you could set wich gostek a bot uses. That would be great.

yeah serial killer that would be a kool alternative until the whole downloading thing is fixed. maybe we could have a forum community pack, so we see the forums members custom gosteks :P

Yeah, I second that notion! It would be far from perfect, since people have a tendency to join clans, etc.--but even that is little reason to scoff at the idea :)

It'd have to fit animations, too. You'd see an LOL rolling instead of sliding when it moves and crouches... and animations can't be used online...

perhaps gosteks are put in a compressed format like .zip or something, then just send that file, ive seen plenty of other games use .zips for conatining a couple of pics or soundss. i dunno if there is a unzip code that could be programmed. just a thot

keron, you wouldnt neeed to chage the animations or anything, you just making minor adjustments to the goesteks, like in mods, and people can see it online

lets make this a sticky :D

You don't get the point, Taal. Some gosteks (e.g. LOL mod) use particular, modified animations that fit their images. It'd be weird for others online to see them moving about with the original animations...

quote:Originally posted by Keron CystIt'd be weird for others online to see them moving about with the original animations...


Yeah, it would. It'd also look weird for the guy with the gostek, because everyone else would look weird. Thus, no is likely to even bother with any .poa files, which means the whole problem is pretty much nonexistent.

Would it be possible for there to be a pre-game loading-type sequence where you download everyone's gosteks, and upload yours? This would happen at the start of every map, should it be necessary.

People that join the game that haven't uploaded their gostek to anyone that doesn't have it will retain the default gostek until the end of the current map, at which point the pre-game sequence will commence and everyone has an opportunity to distribute their files.

Such a method shouldn't take long, even for those with a dial-up modem... How large would the gostek pack be? And if it is taking too long, the pre-load sequence has a list of users and their upload/download rates, and people have the option of kicking anyone from the server right from that point, allowing those with faster connections to play the game faster should things be out of hand.

It also shows how many people have the required gosteks and those various statistics.

And actually, would it be possible to distribute the game with a gostek making program where it organises the graphics files into a single file, lets call it a .gtk file for example. This file has been compressed by the program, which can reduce the file size further. And Soldat can just automatically read the file like a texture package or something.

That would make it even easier for the distribution, and even possible authoring rights and protection, of custom gosteks. And for use in forming a reliable catalogue reference so as to not need to download something twice and etc.


I'm not a programmer, so I have no idea of how hard that'd be... though I'm guessing it'd probably take one guy a little while.

I think MM should make it were you can add more detail to guns/soldats.
like maybe have more pixils or something.

good idea person youve only recited my first post :P, that is what MM was talking about at the top of the page. Dr.freeman that would be a totaly different suggestion, but i think for that you need a bigger gostek which isnt gonna happen.
Alright so until the downloading thing is fixed how about, we make it so if you have the gostek you see it, other wise its the original, and we have another forum section for custom gosteks and people can post thier gosteks on that, and maybe the most popular ones are gven out with the new versions. That sounds about right

custom gosteks would be teh fun. i really would like to use them tho, then i can use my mr. airplane head gostek :P also if there was a skeleton underneath the gostek, it might cause problems for some ppl with like, zombie gosteks for instance... if the yhad onyl bones, it owuld look weird to see a skeleton underneath... well zombies have skeletons... maybe if online gosteks work, the amount of transparent pixels and/or a under skeleton could be optional. just a thought

I really don't think this will work well except on non team games because your friends should be the same color you are, so if someones colored black or something like that nobody could tell what team they were fighting against.

^^ The torso gostek could have a forced color in team games.

or you could use the team colored arrows like suggested in another topic on here.

EDIT:Take the lol mod, and pot the regular gosteks back in there, and then tell me it doesn't look weird.

wow MM, you should definitly work on getting this to work. Its obvious your community wants it and it would help the game have a much longer lasting appeal.

hey fly, glad to see u joined the soldat forums board :D

Hey nsfjunkie91, thanks :). um, Where do i know you from?! Your name is familer but I can put my finger on it. Whats your ingame name?

yes i believe it would have the torse as team colour, i believe thats the most effective and proven way on the subject, hey guys keep to subject

Yea, I forgot about the colors >.<

I suppose it would have to be that way..

the focus wouldnt be colour but general look, if you want your chosen colour go on dm

Taal's right--if for some reason you gave your Soldat tentacle arms, he'd still have them regardless of whether team colors are forced or not.

yeah hed just look like a queer octopus with lepracy

I love this idea,but the lag would be horrible.

If it was implemented,I sometimes use the halo mod,so I wouldn't look completely psycho when i'm all green.

ah did you read the whole thing, lag would not be a problem as the gosteks would downlaod joining the game,and naybe between levels, anyone who joins between those times looks normaly.
so lag would not be a problem.

Know what... I was about to post this suggestion.
About uploading Gostek...

(Actually... I did post it, but deleted it as I read this)

This idea is really great, I hope MM will get it done some day.
But about the skeleton; what if you make the character thin...

I'd say have a certain amount of lime pixels.

yah its to back up each other, there would be a skeleton and limited lime pixels. so if one was some how "breached" or they found a way around it the other one would back it up

if this will be implemented, i will erase my gosteks! xD

quote:Taal: ah did you read the whole thing, lag would not be a problem as the gosteks would downlaod joining the game,and naybe between levels, anyone who joins between those times looks normaly.
so lag would not be a problem.

Unless you mean that players entering the game will download skins of players already in the game, and the players currently in the game will have to wait until the end of the round to download the skins, there will be lag.

There is no gathering at the beginning of a game in Soldat, it's always just the server's player or not even him if he's running dedicated. Anyone who comes in after the server is considered between the beginning and the next round.

The way I explained in the dotted paragraph can work for Soldat because only the player coming into the game will have some lag but it's no different from what he's already downloading like the map and player colors.

A method of getting the whole gostek download thing to work could be to make it so that if someone joins in during the middle of a round, they just use the default gostek graphics until the next map change, at which point the custom gostek graphics would then be loaded onto the players' computers and used for the proceeding rounds. This way, we all get to have our cake--and eat it without lagging too.

Also, I don't recall whether this was suggested or not, but another method of reducing lag would be for the game to automatically save custom gosteks (maybe each set of graphics together in a ".gos" file or something?) to a folder so that once you download someone's gostek once, you never have to again, effectively eliminating a significant amount of downloading, especially if you're in a clan or play with the same people often. Instead of downloading the gostek every time, your game could just check and see if "...\Soldat\Custom Gosteks\Yo Mamma's Mamma.gos" is present when I enter the server, and then act accordingly. Naturally, for people who would rather save hard drive space, the option could be turned off. There could even be an auto-deletion time, so that if someone changes their username for whatever reason (clan stuff comes to mind), the new gostek would be automatically downloaded, and the old gosteks would just disappear on their own. If the gostek, but not the username, changes, then perhaps the ".gos" files could also include a "version" number that can simply be incremented by the owner whenever they change their custom gostek; then other players' games can check the version number as part of the usual procedure, and download it as necessary... I'm not sure how the best way to go about the version number thing is, though, since you couldn't simply put it in the filename, and my programming knowledge is pretty basic.

YoMammasMamma, I've been thinking of something like that for ages, but never put it into words, and I can only say that you explained it so much better than I ever would.
Perhaps instead of saving custom gosteks to a name, the players ip could be taken down and put above that file? this is because in some cases, you'd have up to five different gostek files for one person who is constantly in and out of clans.

I had considered going by IP instead of username, but I figure there are more people out there with dial-up connections (the IPs do change every time you connect, right?) than there are people who change clans three times a week. At least, I'd hope such to be the case.

No, your IP is the same all and all. The only time you'd have a different IP is if you have a dynamic IP changer thingy-majig or if you get a new modem.

I suggested that like last page :/

And my idea? Forget the user names or IP's, the gostek file actually has a name itself! That way if one or two (or more) people are using the same package, you don't have to re-download it.

yomammasmamma: that is my origional idea, but more indepth and so i thank you. when it comes to the names, i had thought that the gostek files would be in a folder with its own name like so.
...soldat\Custom Gosteks\Bensleetgosteks\(add gostek files here). in a similar way to how mods are stored, but rather selected in game. as for clashing names, i can only hope that it will work out like it has done for maps

ahh a whole new wave of errors: "Wrong gostek version Detected" well it should just do it like it does bots bensleetgostek74 and then delete temp file when it is done.

This is the coolest idea since dreadlock hair! Imagine you could design a custom gostek for your whole clan, that would be hella cool. I seriously hope this gets implemented

quote:Originally posted by nfsjunkie91ahh a whole new wave of errors: "Wrong gostek version Detected" well it should just do it like it does bots bensleetgostek74 and then delete temp file when it is done.


How would there be a "wrong gostek version detected" error? Please elaborate.

Also, gosteks are composed of lots of graphics, so downloading gosteks is quite a bit more demanding than downloading simple bots. Thus, it saves a lot of time and headaches to simply be able to download them as .gos files and then bring them up whenever you happen to join a server with them again.

This probably has already been mentioned in the 8 pages of replies;
I know some people have complained about the possibility of invisible people, and this has been resolved in a few ways, such as making a skeleton or limiting pixels. But couldn't they still be extremely cameoflagued by making them entirely the color of the background?

... the background changes in each map. Same thing can happen now with deathmatch, if you want to put it that way.

well i could do that now swarmer, all black on a dark map y'know, its bound to happen. if it gets to bad, admins will sought it out
nfsjunkie91: if the option not to save the gosteks is chosen then it would work similar to the bots. also as stated before, if for some reason the gostek doesnt work or cant be downloaded it would go back to the origional gostek

well, right now you can see the person and thier face, but if you mod it, you can make them 100% cameoflagued. Sure, it changes for each map, but when they are on the correct map then it could get extremely annoying since they are virtually invisible.

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I think this option should be only for registered users. There needs to be more incentive to register.

I really hope MM can pull this off this would add more customization to the game then anything I could possably think of. The only thing I wouldnt want to see though is where youd see them running around with barrets that they make look like an mp5 or w/e. Also an option to disable this so you can still have the team1/team2 scenarios. In reality though I dont see it happening everything you see is stored in files how the hell could you possibly have or even want to have so many different files because of a different style pixel? Unless there can be some way to code around the way pixels are put together we can all keep dreamin.

The gostek images would be only for the players, not their weapons, clearly...
And there'd probably be an option in the player section allowing you to select the style you want to use, and has a small preview area. So disabling it shouldn't be a problem.

I think with gostek modding also, ppl who aren't registered should only be able to change certain parts, like just the hats, or the hair, and registered people should be able to change EVERY aspect of it, this would be a better incentive to register, and those people who can't register can still add some personality to their ingame alter-ego.
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That alone would make me register.

Thank you person for pointing out the obvious fact that weapon graphics wont be effected by this idea. please read at least the first page before posting. it would be only avialable to those who register and would have a option to have it completly turned off so that even if you are registerd you can have it so it doesnt download any custom gosteks. i disagree with nfs, although it would be nice i believe it should be a right the registerd users have alone.

np taal...

But onto security (don't know if anyone has mentioned this, haven't read all the pages)... What if you don't want other people to use your gostek? I think there should be a password or something to make gosteks, made by people who actually decide to put the passwords there, not selectable/visible in the selection menu.

I don't think it would be too big a deal if you had to go to the style folder, find the file and unlock it...

A better option would be to have a setting that ensures your own gostek is never permanently downloaded by others during gameplay. Much simpler, and equally as effective.

how about if you dont want your gostek to be stolen, you turn off the gostek online option. i know where your coming from as i wantedd to beta test my map with out it being stolen but its somehting we need to deal with personaly. there would be no reason to have passwords or options to stop them downloading permantly. if you dont want it stolen dont use it. besides most of the time they wont take notice and will just delete it. if you really wanted to use it online and worried that mkuch about it being stolen, make a pixel an out of place colour that is unnoticable some where in the gostek so you could tell if it was yours (just dont tell anyone).

Hmm...

I still think I like my idea the most. Having people constantly downloading your custom gostek like in YoMammasMamma's idea would get to be a hassle.

And the thing about them is that you want to use it online...
I also don't think that many people search through their Soldat directory anyway. I don't even delete all the crappy custom maps so many people seem to make.
And if they download your gostek, that pixel is going to be on the one they download off you too.

If there is a gostek file making program, which I think would be required for this, I don't think the password idea is too out-there at all.

meh well its extra programming, maybe it can be added later. i personaly dont think it would be worth it, the pixel would be so if some guy took your gostek and changed the name (you would naturaly have to redownload it because of the different name) and claiming its his you can have a look for that pixel and go hah its mine you stupid noob you die now

I think we're gonna have to "agree to disagree" on that one.

well i think its still a good idea but it causes too many problems with people that like to Cheat

EmperorofChoas i respect your opinion, i have also noticed that you have not read the whole topic. throughout this topic we have brought up and discussed many issues with this suggestion. if the probloems you foresee is not the ones discussed before please bring them up so further discussion can done

sry but your wrong i did read the whole thing....i understand yall went over it alredy but i just wanted to point it out

Taal, I don't mean to ruin your day, but don't you think you're trying to keep this thread alive?

damn straight i am, but i also havent spammed. emperor is there any outstanding problem that you see. more detail would be appreciated, any problem can be solved

Sorry can you point out how people are going to cheat? If they just make themselves a dot or something, there's the skeleton that people can see.

If you're for some reason worried that people will be the same colour as the background on each map, it's been discussed and found that it's actually a stupid point to raise.

so wtf?

This is one of the best ideas in this subforum, I don't have a problem with Taal trying to keep the hope alive....

well nvm then i just want to say thats its still a great idea......Michel if ur listenin this could make people want to reg ur game..and help u at the same time with some $$$....cuz not very many people have reg.. ..& as they discussed it would only be for reg players

I support this so much.

You could be grass

*AMUZED*

ZOMG THIS MUZT HAPPEN!!!!

now im off to make a gostec!

I'd definitely be supportive of this, should MM decide to take it into consideration and possibly implement it in the next version. As has been said, the pros outweigh the cons, and obviously it has plenty of support from others so far.

Good luck with getting this through, as I'd love to see it happen :)

Pornstar Gostek :D

lol.
so many cool gosteks waiting to be shown online, i dont feel like going through 10 pages of info, but does anybody know if this is even possible? and how?

Yeah it is, the first post should explain it a little better, it would use the map downlaoding system. the first post goes into more detail. i want to know how nsjunkie bumped this

Ide rather not sort through 10 pages of half readable text soo...How would you know whos on whos team?
"Hey Master Cheif, you red or blue"? "Pink" *BAM BAM BAM*
"Ronald Mcdonald, you ride with the greens"? "Put a smile on, put a smile on, cmon cmon!" *BAM BAM BAM! BAM!....ASSSPLODE*

Ok, so you couldn't change something on the gostek and like turn into a picture of your car so it covers the entire screen?
Otherwise, it's got my support I would love it.

dear god, read the first post. there will be a maximum and minimun size of the gosteks, there would also be a unedible skeleton underneath that would stop people form being invisible. in game modes that require team colours, like normal , the shirt will change colour.

Well in the mean time, unless anyone else has more questions that have already been awnserd, why dont we have a little competition. post a drawing, idea, or gostek that you would use if this was implemented. but also post something constructive. lets try and find all problems we would have with this before they happen.

Heh..I'd make a ghillie suit gostek..so I'd be covered in spiky grass..then i could lay down and actually look like grass

An S.S.G'ish gostek!!!! i must be a GENIOUS!!!! *cough* *cough* *chokes*

Michal said he had trouble finding a way for people to download these things... well, I think Soldat should use a torrent system for file transfer. This would allow for the easy downloading of lots of small files, and speed up the download of both maps (maybe) and especially custom gostek files.
Every player becomes a client and transfers at the end of each map to any new player that may come along.

It could be disabled until the end of the map to preserve bandwidth and latency and stuff...

For custom gostek's, I think it would be perfect.

Taal, unless you made different colored shirts to come with the gostek, and tieing them to the team color, it couldnt happen.
Since making your own gostek and uploading them creates Alot of problems--I suggest that in the next patch, certain gosteks be included in the game files, then at the player screen you could simply select 1 of xx amount, solves shirt problem, upload problem, invisible problem, and other problems that i neglect to rabble on about.

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It's either what we have now, or custom gosteks. There isn't much point in having multiple similar gosteks. By "changing the shirt colour" Taal meant that the shirt colours force-shade (Not to be confused with force-choke) themselves. Of course, this means that that your origanal gostek has to be white when playing a team game or it looks crap, but consessions have to be made, eh?

And by the way,
quote:Originally posted by Michal MarcinkowskiThis would be a very cool option. I thought about it years ago, but I didn't do it because there are certain problems. For example the file downloading doesn't work as well as I would like to. If I could get that working then it would be easier from that point.


If Michal gets the downloads working properly then he'll probably be able to have a go at it. A rubber stamp of approval!

On the subject of teams... Well, really it's a non-issue, because the teams have their own gosteks; thus you could avoid the problem entirely by only allowing custom gosteks in free-for-all games.

Of course, that'd be no fun, so we'd want custom gosteks in team games (unless the server forces a certain team gostek, perhaps?). In that case, it's still a non-issue because, like what has already been said, the individual bitmaps used in the gosteks are all either skin-tones (which don't matter anyway) or grayscale. With the grayscale, Soldat can simply refuse to use the gostek if any of the hex values for the colors in the images don't have a certain amount of equilibrium between the red, green, and blue values (ignoring the magical transparent green, of course). That way, if there's a pixel that's #55230A, it'll pick up on the pixel being distinctly red and refuse the gostek--whereas something like #BACDBE would be a-okay (I'm just pulling up numbers off my head, though, so obviously such might not be the case).

At any rate, the only real problem would be people trying to make gosteks with huge boners and stuff... Which, if that's the case, the server admin can just ban the silly goof, the players could kick him/her, or there could even be a /ungostek <player> command that players and admin could use like the mute command, except it swaps the target's custom gostek with the default.



In the end, what it boils down to is that the only real problem in the way of this whole thing is a purely technical issue, which MM has to resolve... If he wants to.




On another note, I think we can safely assume what Numgun's custom gostek would be.

Really, really bad?

I've always hated "invisible skin", makes them more able to camp.

I think that if custom gosteks are implemented, there should be team arrows that float above members of your team instead of team colours (your character's could be a neutral colour, like white). That way, if a gostek is meant to be used with certain colours (I know that some of FMBM's gosteks should be all white), everyone can see it that way.

I'm going to say it now. Map Download system is NOT INFALLABLE. MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT DOES NOT LET USERS DOWNLOAD MAPS. BAD IDEA.

quote:Originally posted by ChonoryokuI think that if custom gosteks are implemented, there should be team arrows that float above members of your team instead of team colours (your character's could be a neutral colour, like white). That way, if a gostek is meant to be used with certain colours (I know that some of FMBM's gosteks should be all white), everyone can see it that way.


Idea. Good.

quote:Originally posted by TaalYeah it is, the first post should explain it a little better, it would use the map downlaoding system. the first post goes into more detail. i want to know how nsjunkie bumped this

I edited my post with an extra space. :P

quote:Originally posted by JellyI've always hated "invisible skin", makes them more able to camp.

We already covered that issue--there would be a ragdoll skeleton under the gostek graphics, effectively preventing abuses like invisible players.






quote:Originally posted by JellyI'm going to say it now. Map Download system is NOT INFALLABLE. MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT DOES NOT LET USERS DOWNLOAD MAPS. BAD IDEA.

MM himself also already said that he would have to fix some problems with how Soldat sends and receives files before he's able to implement a feature such as this. In fact, his exact words are quoted in an above post on this page (unless this post happens to start a new page in the thread, which will be the case with my luck). Regardlessly, here they are again:

quote:Originally posted by Michal MarcinkowskiThis would be a very cool option. I thought about it years ago, but I didn't do it because there are certain problems. For example the file downloading doesn't work as well as I would like to. If I could get that working then it would be easier from that point.

That's why I suggested the torrent system idea. I think it would work very well.

But the server should still be the one to send maps, as it'd cause lag in-game for everyone to send a map to someone joining...

It's pretty obvious that these files should not be saved on everybody's computer because of a dozen issues that arise. They would be temporary files uploaded when a player enters the game, in the same way the the (much smaller) data about pants colour are uploaded. Lag wouldn't be the biggest problem, the many complications would open up more holes. I personally don't want people in gorilla suits walking around. I'd prefer more customizations for the existing body parts. This includes patterned pants/shirts, maybe even custom hats as a less ambitious version of the idea.

Thelag, its already been discussed. gosteks would be saved in a folder so that they would not have to be continuously dowloaded but there would be a delete stored gostek button, and maybe gosteks older then a certain date are deleted, though not straight away (too memory). and gorilla suits is what its all about :P. though there would be serious ones also. the imaginations the limit.

person, The torrent idea is good, though would have to be programmed from scratch into soldat. if the map download system works sticking with that is our best bet. though a great idea and something that should be looked into.

I think the team colour thing was tackled by one of the guys who has actualy read the whole thing. Thanks you guys, theres only so many times a man can repeat himself. on the topic of team colours, we have a few ideas of how it would work, from team arrows to grayscale. All work in there own way, Which one is implemented (if the idea is Implemented) is squarely up to MM

oh and nfsjunkie91 you sly dog you :P

Please read atleast the first post.

Taal: trust me, it's a lot easier the way I stated it. Are you a professional coder (I am).

The way you stated, merely stated there would be problems without saying what these problems would be or possible solutions. Please give the problems you see with the idea, and possible solutions.
Do you gloat in an alias without proper punctuation (I dont). :P

lol u guys are funny but this idea might be long DEAD but it's still the $#^&*%$ greatest idea i've ever heard for this game........And "thelag" if ur a coder Why don't u help MM with this idea if you say it SOOO easy.....

Idea = great
should really be done
finally something worth implanting =)

bump!

implant this into soldat!

Omg this would be so freaking awesome! My only concern would be possible lag it could create. Nevertheless I'm willing to sacrifice lag for a custom 'skin' xD.
Also how would the files stored on ur computer be associated with the player each time he connects? by name? So you wouldnt have to continually download the same skin for the same person.
Note:: Edit you're fisrt post to tell us about possible solutions/developments saves you repeating things over and over. It was only by chance that I noticed the solutions to team colours xD. Otherwise brilliant idea :D.

Cool idea man
besides I dont care a [CENSORED] what lag it would produce

THE DEFINITIVE REPLY ABOUT THIS TOPIC
read this damn it.

Problem: OMG! people will make invisible gosteks!!1!
Solutions: There will be either an uneditable white skeleton beneath the gostek, or an invisible pixel counter, so that cheating would be veryhard/impossible.

Problem: There will be WAAAAY too much lag produced by downloading gosteks from server!
Solutions: A)Download from the player himself, at a slow rate, and do not show the gostek until it is finished downloading. B)Use a torrent system to download the gosteks from every other player who has that particular gostek. C)Make a lobby before each game, or a warmup time like in Wolf ET, so that everyone can download the files. In the warmup time, there would be no ping bans. D)Optional gostek downloading.

Problem: Someone makes their gostek black/not white! How can i tell what team they are on!?
Solutions: A) Put team arrows above their heads B) You could have forced torso colors, but this would not solve the problems well.

Problem: OMG EROTIC GOSTEK!!11!1!eleven
Solutions: A) Ban that person from using custom gosteks, by either server option, or voting. B) Option to turn off online gosteks should be made available.

Problem: ZOMG! my gostek is 1337 but i want no one to downlaod it!11!1!@@!21onehundredandeleven!
Solutions: A)make gosteks password protected. B)Option to turn off online gosteks C)Automatically delete temporarily downloaded gosteks (jeez, just deal with it if your gostek is stolen, the noobs wont find their way to the files anyway. :P )

Problem: Same named gosteks
Solutions: A)Make it a different name, like bobsstek918 or something. B)Gosteks would only be temporarily saved on your computer.

Problem: OMG. HARD DRIVE FULL.
Solutions:A)All gosteks temp downloaded. B)A delete function in soldat to clear the downloaded gosteks folder.

Problem:There's a guy whose head is as big as the level!
Solutions: Limit gostek size to a certain amount, maybe 2-3 pxls more than the standard gostek right now.

That's it folks!

well put.

i would think in the exit/entrance part just have a DELETE GOSTEKZ HREZ button that, when klicked does exacty that but just a few more things:

"Problem: There will be WAAAAY too much lag produced by downloading gosteks from server!"
MY solution: GET BETTER INTERNETS CHEAPASS!

"Problem: OMG EROTIC GOSTEK!!11!1!eleven"
solution: ban before they use the secret command!

"Problem: ZOMG! my gostek is 1337 but i want no one to downlaod it!11!1!@@!21onehundredandeleven!"
solution: nobody wants your stupid halo gostek

"Problem: OMG. HARD DRIVE FULL."
solution: DONT BUY COMPUTERS FROM THE SALVATION ARMY and delete some porn/[CENSORED]

one solution that kills exessivly many birds with one stone
no gostecs over <insert size> kb less lag, no giant heads, no full hard drives no (detailed) profain gostecs

I'd just shut it off so I guess I'm indifferent.

but it would be so cool to have whatever you desire, wouldnt you like to see a clown afro fly away as you celabrate a headshot?

First post edited, Thanks Ns and 4 year old for your informative Q and A. :P.
Read it and live by it cause youll be flamed to hell if you dont

This is getting implemented later on, right ?
I just love this. ^^

wow this topic is old, btw 4 year old people who live way out in the country have to use dial up internet, so they can't get better internet.

the whole gostek folder is 29 kb. that would take roughly 3-5 seconds on dail up. they can suck it up

YAH BUT YOU SAID GET BETTER INTERNET

is it possible that soldat could us .pngs for the gostek files? this would make the folder smaller yet so that everyone could get the gosteks from each other speedily and easily.

Let's just use the old info system and MM can get some people to donate Gosteks, and you can choose what gostek you want to use from there. Done deal. :D

Maybe as a quick alternative but the long term goal is the origional idea

 Quote:Originally posted by Taalthe whole gostek folder is 29 kb. that would take roughly 3-5 seconds on dail up. they can suck it up


yep like dling half a map.
its not like EVERYONE is going to have gosteks, there are enough n00bs that will be saying /piss and how the law doesnt work even when they crouch.

im sure most ppl wont mod their whole folder, so you will be dling what like 60% of the folder (nobody mods the help files and or para files and then there is just the opposite side of the soldat.)

I don't like the idea, too much confusion

....but you also got to remember this is only goin to be for registered users....

The confusion is probaly caused by the extremly large thread :P,
basicly if registerd you will be able to make your own gosteks that other people can view online, these custom gosteks must be in certain limits to stop any unfair advantages. pretty damn simple

i think it should be available to both registered and nonregistered users. why keep the fun to only a small margin of the users?

Because it would encourage more people to pay to register.

and to crack the game ¬¬

An option to not see the custom gosteks aswell.

.....i agree with GenO.....
..this would help MM alot..
...about the "cracks" for the game...yes it is possible...but what most people don't know is the sites you get it from is massively infected by Big time viruses & Spyware.....It's a known Fact....besides...come on ,,,the game is only $9....if your that damn cheap....stop palyin games completely...
i think it SHOULDN'T be available to nonregistered users. "why keep the fun to only a small margin of the users?" Cuz you didn't pay for the full "fun" thats why..... nice and simple...

....honestly i think MM should take more away from Non-registered players.....cuz they already have almost everythin thats why people don't register..

..cuz all you get is Custom inter..mp3's....and flame color....thats pretty lame....

...i think he should take a few weapons or somethin away...so some would "WANT" to register to get the other weapons or whatever too..

..SO i encourage more people to register...not just for the bonuses...

....just help MM out...he took the time to make this ##$&@*&@ awsome |!!FREE!!| game...so why not help him out for a change....Just register.......$9...euros..whatever $$ you got....

please use the enter key.
seperate your ideas.
i dont even think i would use the stuff from the registered verstion (yellow is a fine color) and i use windows media player.
you should still keep every weapon, just limit every/more option/s outside of the actual gameplay.

....well you get what i'm tryin to say....

only took about an hour.
...
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....soo still understood it.....i'm sorry if you have a hard time readin but i can't lower my IQ for you...lol......jk...

back on topic:

IMPLEMENT THIS!

I hate to gravedig, but I *do* have something I could contribute to this for the idea of same named gosteks:

When a player comes onto a Soldat server, and their name is already taken by another player, often times the server will add a (1) to the end of the name. If there's more then one of the same name, then it will continue to add more numbers ala (2), (3) and so on.

Would this at all be possible to be implemented into this if it were used? As in, let's say someone's gostek name is "NakedMario", and someone else for whatever reason also has a NakedMario but it's a different file. Then the uploaded file name would get changed to "NakedMario(1)" and so on. Is that possible?

or maybe if the same files were detected maybe.......... it can use those same files that were present first

Well see if the same files are detected it's alot like same-file sceneries for seperate maps: they'll just load as is.

Yet instead of replacing a gostek with a gostek of the same file name yet different file appearance, as is what happens with different maps that have same-name sceneries that aren't the same, it would simply add a "(1)" to the end of the file name to keep it seperate from the other one on that server.

So long as they're different gosteks with the same name, it would add that. If it's the same file with the same name, then yeah... it'd not rename anything, it'd just stay the same.

that sounds more reasonable but won't it cuz alittle more lagg??..

what about gosteks that look like scenery gfx?
Or perhaps a gostek that is still harder to see by placing all of the pixels at the very bottom of the gostek. Or if variable gostek sizes are allowed, people could have exactly as many pixels as the pixel limit but spread them out on a 2048x2048 graphic or something.

basically, I would only be ok with this if I can choose not to see other people's gosteks. Plenty of other people have mentioned that though.

 Quote:Originally posted by Norris ScottI hate to gravedig, but I *do* have something I could contribute to this for the idea of same named gosteks:

When a player comes onto a Soldat server, and their name is already taken by another player, often times the server will add a (1) to the end of the name. If there's more then one of the same name, then it will continue to add more numbers ala (2), (3) and so on.

Would this at all be possible to be implemented into this if it were used? As in, let's say someone's gostek name is "NakedMario", and someone else for whatever reason also has a NakedMario but it's a different file. Then the uploaded file name would get changed to "NakedMario(1)" and so on. Is that possible?


or the files would be dled with random filenames

file folder one:0123445
file folder 2:0123446
file folder 3:0123447

and so on

a top notch idea! If only.....

I could just imagine it, clans would be fully recognized by their outfits! Such a brilliant idea.

maybe a code that is drawn from the pixel configuration, but the by name is probaly easier. gosteks would idealy have a size limit and a pixel limit and a uneditable skeleton underneath. but yeha clans and themed servers is what its all about

Actually, why not a serverside option for the server to have designated gosteks for everyplayer? Then no one would have to leave and return for those servers where you wear all black (to be 'invisible' with the black background) and such.

Hi. I'm new here but I have taken the time to read through the important posts and seeing some of the things that some ppl post are really dumb.

But anyway on topic. This is a really good idea. Big games like counter-strike cant do this because of the huge filesizes but here, you have a brilliant game (MM is a god, even if he denies it) where the graphical elements are a very small filesize (the whole gosteks folder is 522kb !!!! or is it 72.6?) but anyway whatever the case, the filesize isn't significantly large enough to create much lag (if at all?!!). And out of the entire gosteks folder you probably only customise a few of them and those in use for the player (this can be coded, not sure how but it sounds possible) are then uploaded for all to see. The resulting filesize being again smaller especially cos weapons and such arent being uploaded, just gosteks.

As for the teams, all that needs to be done is to simply let the game do wat it already does which is shading the team colours in. Maybe the gostek could control the colour, eh? like what i mean is if a pixel is a certain colour (choose one that nobody uses) then that pixel is coloured in the team colour.

the large 200-300kb/s file sizes would kill 56k dialup users, and ppl with 512mb (or smaller) HDD (like who plays soldat on such an old computer?) Clan Skins are a good idea to...badly needed ...

 Quote:Originally posted by livingdalifethe large 200-300kb/s file sizes would kill 56k dialup users,

refer to first post, which has my opinion directly quoted.

upgrade your [CENSORED]ing computer if this is a problem.

so I guess no solutions for what I mentioned?

anyway, good luck getting this implemented, but please make sure you remember to have it turn-offable.

 Quote:Originally posted by HYPERFUNKBOTwhat about gosteks that look like scenery gfx?
Or perhaps a gostek that is still harder to see by placing all of the pixels at the very bottom of the gostek. Or if variable gostek sizes are allowed, people could have exactly as many pixels as the pixel limit but spread them out on a 2048x2048 graphic or something.

basically, I would only be ok with this if I can choose not to see other people's gosteks. Plenty of other people have mentioned that though.


size limit both pixle and memory
easy
mentioned before, done.

again refer to first post, it has a quote of me saying that.

ahh, size limit, didn't see that one mention. however gosteks that look like scenery hasn't been mentioned it seems. but it's ok, I'll just turn it off, first thing.

yeah okay you can turn them off, AND scenery looking gosteks are in real life its called camoflauge, if you cant hack it go play animal crossing you un hardend hippies

 Quote:Originally posted by Taalif you cant hack it go play animal crossing you un hardend hippies


im going to remember you as a war hero.

my god this topic is still going?

lol, i really diddent expect this when i came back.....

 Quote:Originally posted by Taalyeah okay you can turn them off, AND scenery looking gosteks are in real life its called camoflauge, if you cant hack it go play animal crossing you un hardend hippies


I'm giving you an informal warning for flaming/spamming, only because I caught it too late. Attitudes like that are not welcome, especially when you're defending your idea for improving soldat.

I'm also gonna close this up because I'm sure everything that could be said has been said in thirteen pages.