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even in propaghanda the communists weren't any original...this is so Uncle Sam :)

Hmmm, I don't think so.

Ooh, stealing my idea you bitch!

Just kidding. Looks great, I didn't know the SU had this guy...

Damn! Why did you have to make this after I finished my Movie!! Fekzorss!

Lol, I don't see why that would matter. I'm downloading your movie right now, although it will take me more than two hours :(

Yeah Sorry about the download I will try and Reduce the size of the file. You will understand when you see the Movie.

LOL, nice pics... I have some resources for you Electro cyc [:D] [URL]

Uhm...okey...thanks. I would like to clarify this right now: I'm not communist. I use some Soviet icons because it's the history of my country, not because it's about communism. Okay there.

And Polish is unusually similar to Russian. I can actually understand most of that website.

Did I say you are a communist? lol... I just thought that this will be interesting for you. It is a historical page.

I'm not talking about you, I'm just saying because other people are calling me that and I thought this would be a good place to do it.

And yes, it's very interesting. [:D]

excuse me, there is nothing wrong with communism.
do you even have the vote?
are you socialist?
or an exile of your former country

No, I am not an exile but my family did leave the country. Not because we were exiled, but because we were close to bankrupsy (on top of some other complicated crap). I live in America now, but I plan to return when I finish college.
I'm not sure what you mean by "do you even have the vote?". And no, I am not socialist. And I think there are lots of things wrong with communism.

i dont see why nations even have communist governments, almost every communist nation has a terrible economy and poor living conditions for it's people, china is the only country who has done alright with it at least there getting better. and electro, y do u not take enough pride in america to put that as ur country on the forums? are u ashamed to be american or something. hows belarus doing these days, i never knew of such a country until u joined the forums

quote:i never knew of such a country until u joined the forums
That is because you're an American, which also answers your other question.
And another reason I didn't put America as my country is because I'm not American. Simple as that.

quote:almost every communist nation has a terrible economy and poor living conditions
Not true. First of all, China is not doing that great. Their economy might look good (somehow, even though the yen is barely worth anything) but a lot of China's people are poor and don't have great living conditions. And aside from Stalin, the Soviet Union had good living conditions and the economy was pretty good too. The economy only got worse after the split of the Soviet Union. But I don't blame you for saying that, it's only because your government brainwashes you to think that way.

No offence or anything but a lot of Americans think like you do. Your government says that communism is bad so you believe that. (Your government says Iraq/Vietnam/Korea is a threat and you believe it.) In fact it's not nearly as bad as your American movies portray it. This is why the rest of the world considers you uneducated, you don't know much about the world outside of your country and you believe propoganda.

hehe, i think that message just kciked his ass,

communism is a slow process, as you all have seen, over 60+ years, China has picked itself off its feet, it is not poor because of communism, it is poor because of lack of resources and a HUGE population, China is slightly smaller than america, yet they have 4 times the population, somehow america still find the energy to pump more gases into the atmousphere but thats a different topic.

i dont blame electro for not claiming to be american, this is why lot of people call themselves "irish american" or "english american" [:-censored]ty country, if they want any prospects of being very safe abroad, this is the way to go,

iraq was not a threat, it has now surfaced that saddam had no links what so ever to al quaeda or 9/11, but bushy boy wanted to avenge is old man. so why not bomb the popularion and lose 500+ men for that, oh and lets shoot up some english people too to see whether our air defences really work,
[:-censored]ing pathetic.
Korea and iraq may be a threat to themselves but not to the world, if korea ever go nuclear, they only have enough material to make 3 or 6 bombs, and pakistan is lessening its aggresivity towards india so thats ok.
Vietnam, is not considered dangerous at all, and america will get so much flak if they go back in there that 1/2 the world would be backing the Viets, so i say to you: Ha Ha

SOVIET UNION SUCKS! Sorry about this spam but i hate soviet union. They attacked to finland in the early days of 1900. But we won. Many finnish men died in that war.

thats true [:(]

soviet union does not exist anymore.
nor so the eastern bloc countries, or the iron curtain.

many men died in and arond WW2

quote:SOVIET UNION SUCKS! Sorry about this spam but i hate soviet union. They attacked to finland in the early days of 1900. But we won. Many finnish men died in that war.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but yes you won, and that is why we have a large portion of land that used to be yours. That war was ended with Finland signing a treaty that let the Soviet Union keep the land they won from Finland and in return the Soviet Union agreed to stop killing you guys. And Russia still has every single centimeter of that land as of today.
Oh and by the way, the second poster up there was used during this war, and as you can see the little Finish guy is being impaled by a Soviet soldier. (Sorry to spam but I had to say that).

Okay now (on a less agressive note...) I don't know why you hate us. Soviet soldiers died over there too, and I don't hate Finland. See, that was the time of Stalin. Even his own people hate him now, he murdered many people and not only in Finland but in the Soviet Union too. (He was Georgian btw, not Russian). And if I didn't know better, I would say you were just a little 10 year old kid because you hate a whole country just because of the actions of one man. (He would've had the soldiers executed if they didn't obey). That's like the Americans hating all of Afghanistan or Iraq just because of Osama and Hussein. Except they don't because they are smarter than you (you alone, not Finland). My great-grandfather was forced to fight in this war or he would be executed. My grandma says that he got promoted for killing some officers, but he later died fighting against Germans in present-day Belarus.

P.S. You've obviosly just proven yourself a moron. As for Ho Chi Minh, you're a lot smarter than I thought [:D], you actually know something about politics (unlike a lot of people around here).

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quote:Vietnam, is not considered dangerous at all
I didn't mean now, I meant a long time ago when Americans went over there and killed whole village-fulls of innocent people. Although it wasn't a threat to America back then either, but again the American people were easily convinced that a bunch of Vietnameese across the globe are somehow threatining their freedom.

quote:communism is a slow process, as you all have seen, over 60+ years, China has picked itself off its feet, it is not poor because of communism
I guess that's true, I mean they were a lot poorer before communism. And at least now they are technologicly advanced, and no other country in the world can match China's army so now they have made sure that they will be left in peace. And I think their government is doing the right thing by keeping the price of the yen low because they can trade in Europe and America for large sums of money and then only pay their people a little bit (in China people can easily survive of that little bit).

I myself don't like communism. If the government owns everything then if something bad happens in the government, it all goes to hell. In America, there are a lot of small bussinesses and a lot of different companys. This is good because if something bad happens in one company, people will go buy from another. Another thing is that communists can do pretty much whatever they want without having people critize them because it's not like they can vote for a Democratic government. Like in America for example, if the president (or governor or whatever) tells some army guys to beat the [:-censored] out of protestors, then that president or governor is going to be thrown out of office and a new one will be put in. But with communism, that politician will not be thrown out because it is the government that decides this and they know they can't be thrown out either so they can freely support this politician.

yea, i aggree with the point on communism, but this is its more extreme form, like in N korea where families and families have been experimented on, and killed for the "benifit of the state",
these countries are too hardlined, china is too hardlined also, they would benifit from a more "socialist" scheme, as in Vietnam, where they use the old french civil law to strengthen the country, and this has been seen by Vietnams excellent health, litteracy and economy.
to compare Vietnam to cambodia for example, which is not communist, cambodia is very poor, and in a very bad state,
if it were not for the war in Vietnam, this country would be far more economically stable and powerful than the american sucking thais.

and btw, communism doesnt actually mean having an all powerful government, its just that most communist uprisings are started with the army, or a vasy percentage of the population, (as with the russian revolution- again communism was NOT quelled by the bloody capitalists).

there are too many starving poor people, and too many fat people, a bit more equality would beifit both the fat people, as they would theoretically have to eat less, and the starving people would get more aid.
obviously this could never happen (sharing of fat that is...) but its a good example of what the world needs.

you denounce stalin... he may have killed many, but his 5 and 10 year plans made russia a superpower, and it remains that today. without him, and lenin, russia would not be much.
the invasion of finland was part of stalins appeasement for hitler, and expansion to the future eastern bloc countries.
russia lost 20 million men in ww2 to the germans alone, these were soldiers...
in the Viet, 20 million people who were innocent died, 8 million tonnes of bombs were dropped, on an area of land 1/4 of the size of texas. (15 mil km or so)

another thing, this is why i admire asians so much more than extremist muslims, asians(oriental) have the guts to attack military targets, not civilians, the spain bombers are all cowards, and are hapilly in muslim hell, hopefully being slain as hallal meat for the devil, slow and painful.


<edit> lmfao i like your signature writing lol

quote:you denounce stalin... he may have killed many, but his 5 and 10 year plans made russia a superpower, and it remains that today. without him, and lenin, russia would not be much.

That's true about Stalin making Russia a superpower but that was a good time to do it. It was a new government and it was just the beggining and I think Lenin would have made it better if he had not died.

But also, it wasn't necessery to kill, starve, and torture all of those people. If Leon Trotsky was made leader like Lenin had hoped, we would all be better of. Stalin was simply a sick man. The reason we lost 20 million people was because Stalin failed to warn the troops in Belarus that the Germans were coming. Reports showed that, but he said nothing. Another thing is that he didn't know anything about military tactics and refused to listen to his generals (that did know) which led to a lot of deaths. He also executed a lot of soldiers. The Cold War was also unnececerary. And so were the goulags (sp?) in Siberia. He messed up the nation so much that the people could not recover for a long time.

As for Lenin, he did do a lot of good but he also did a lot of bad. He timed it so it was during WW1, and his plan was to lure a lot of the Czar's soldiers to his side or have them killed which he did. It wasn't that bad during the time of the Czars. The economy was really good and there weren't any starving children on the streets. Not to mention, we were winning the war against Germany. The only drawback is that the Czars stuck to old ways. It was a monarchy, but on top of that there were classes of people. Farmers and ranchers and those kinds of people were very poorly educated while the rich people had Uneversities to go to. Soldiers were drafted randomly and if chosen, the soldier would have to serve for 25 years. And the late Czar tried to focus on economy and not on military which led to a defeat in a war against Japan. Because of Lenin, the soldiers were dropping their rifles and walking back to Russia. Unfortunatly, most of them got shot by the Germans while doing this. There was a lot of death there. He also screwed up the economy which would take many many years to rebuild.

Another thing is the executions. There were a lot of the after the revolution and during Stalin's time. And both times a lot of the targets were intillectuals. Now this really sucks because basicly the communists killed the smartest people.

quote:in the Viet, 20 million people who were innocent died, 8 million tonnes of bombs were dropped, on an area of land 1/4 of the size of texas. (15 mil km or so)
another thing, this is why i admire asians so much more than extremist muslims, asians(oriental) have the guts to attack military targets, not civilians, the spain bombers are all cowards, and are hapilly in muslim hell, hopefully being slain as hallal meat for the devil, slow and painful.
Yeah, the Vietnamese really fought hard to protect their homeland. They are sorta poor but in this situation communism is better than the alternative because Vietnam was a colony at first and now when they got independece, everyone would have different ideas about how to run the country which could lead to something like Haiti, but now the communists make sure that it doesn't happen and slowly, yet steadily Vietnam is on their way to a better economy and a better country thanks to them.

quote:<edit> lmfao i like your signature writing lol
Lol thanks.

"without him, and lenin, russia would not be much."
ROFL You are really stupid. Stalin made more than 10 millions of ukranians starve. He had absolutely no idea of how to govern a nation. Trotsky had already shown he was a good leader by defeating the nations that attacked Russia after the revolution. OMFG with much much more troops and material he had lost a lot of ground against Hitler, why? Because Hitler was his friend whatever his spies said.
Communism was never implemented, just socialism.

It's more like we agreed to not kill ruskies anymore.

EDIT: Althought what the hell I know about army or war? I haven't even been in army. Im these "civil service" people, useless people it's said. Some of the people might get pissed but I don't feel like I own anything to Finnish war veterans. Ofcourse I respect them and It's sad that they had to experience what they had to experience. But didn't they fight for free country? For country where people can make their own decisions?

You are not a slave!

palloco, stalin did not MAKE those people starve, he didnt have enough food to distribute. with such a huge country, and all the farmers who burnt all their crops in response to collective farming, i dont think that there was much to go around. millions of russians starved too.
hitler was not ever a friend of anyone, stalin and hitler were very fierce enemies deep down, hitler wanted to invade the most part of russia for his "lebensstrausum" (sp?) living space, and stalin never liked the germans,

yes yes trotsky would have been very good as a leader, the best possibly, but lenin was too ill to show the rest of the cabinet (name..? pol..?) this fully, so stalin got in power, and because he was general secretary of the party, he had all the members phone numbers and adresses, so he rearanged the party to be pro-stalin. later on he shot them all.
true is trostky could have stayed in power, and strenghtened the red army, without purging most of its officers and the people who could WIN the war, russia would be better.

ever leader causes death to some people in their country,

Who starved? Ukranians. Where is the biggest production of wheal and any type of food? In Ukranie. Why had started to starve when Stalin came? Because the population of Russia suddenly multyplied even though they suffereedcivil wars and defensive wars... LOL
"hitler was not ever a friend of anyone, stalin and hitler were very fierce enemies deep down, hitler wanted to invade the most part of russia for his "lebensstrausum" (sp?) living space, and stalin never liked the germans"
Learn a bit of pact of non agression and about the surprising attack over Russia. Or are you one of those who support that Russia was planning to invade Germany?

i dont support anything. you just reinforced the fact that they are not friends.
yes the pact of non agression or w/e where finland was "given" to russia, and there would be no fighting between both sides.

communism, division of wealth, had USSR been capitalist, ukraine would have prospered, but due to the communist governement, it was redistributed. all of russias industry was in ukraine also,
im sorry that i have offended you so much, but nothing i have said is wrong, yet you are attacking me about it.

Yeah, i am attacking you, that is why forums are meant for, to debate.
Things are only redistributed when they are more needed elsewhere. But not killing those who if dont give what they have collected they will starve. That is neither communism nor socialism. That is terrorism. The terror regime instaured by Stalin.

"you just reinforced the fact that they are not friends."
Uh?

"i dont support anything."
You dont have oppinion? what is that?

"yes the pact of non agression or w/e where finland was "given" to russia, and there would be no fighting between both sides."
What!? Only that?
Russia and germany were working together on secret military projects when Lenin was ruling. That ended when Stalin got the power.
Part of the pact was that Germany would share his technology infomation with Soviet Union, and SSRU would give them wheal and other materials. That means Stalin were collaborating with Hitler, he did not saw him as a menace. That is why Geramny advanced so much over Russia.

Moreover, both Germany and Soviets attacked Poland in 1939 and divided it into two parts German and Soviet. The division was appointed before the WW2 by Ribbentrop and Molotov.

is that pic in ur profile actually you?

yea poland has had its tough times, they gave a hell of alot of resistance though, considering what position they were in, it was a very brave stand. unlike czechoslovakia(sp) for eg.

quote:is that pic in ur profile (I'm guessing you mean avatar) actually you?Taken from Aquarius's profile:quote:Real Name: JakubI doubt it..

Czech could have fought much more bravely than Poland. They had their excellent Skoda Light tank 35 and 38, which were taken by Germany under the name of Panzer 35 and 38( similar to panzer 3). But they had received no support from France and England in case of war, and since nazi party was very powerful in Cezch democrats gave up. If France and GB supported Cezch Germany would be smashed really quickly.
Poland received support, they promised to maintain his lands, but Chamberlain and Daladier were really stupid to think that the war was gonna become trenched like in ww1 and they did not attacked an undefended Western Germany waiting to bring reinforces to the front. As you can see Poland did not maintained neither his lands nor they could maintain a non Sovietpuppet government.

bravery is not affected by equipment... much
ok lets stop this debate... and where the hell can i download the newest maphack for dna "new" maps?

quote:It's more like we agreed to not kill ruskies anymore.
Actually you did. I assumed that someone with a half a brain would know that.

quote:and where the hell can i download the newest maphack for dna "new" maps?
Right from Aquarius' siggy:
http://www.soldatworld.com/mappack.zip

quote:palloco, stalin did not MAKE those people starve, he didnt have enough food to distribute. with such a huge country, and all the farmers who burnt all their crops in response to collective farming, i dont think that there was much to go around.
There was more than enough food in Ukraine to go around. First of all collective farming was no nececerary, but even with collective farming there was enough food. The first year this food shortage struck, Stalin exported enough wheat to feed 2 Ukraines.

quote:all of russias industry was in ukraine also,
Not true. There was a lot of industry there but not all of it, and not even most of it. There was a lot of industry in Russia (especially Moscow) and in Minsk, Belarus (that city was practicly built on industry). There was also a considerable amount in all of the European states of the Soviet Union.

quote:is that pic in ur profile actually you?
yea poland has had its tough times, they gave a hell of alot of resistance though
(Aquarius is a guy.)
And Poland did give a lot of resistance but it was mostly militia, the government didn't do nearly as much.

And I gree with poloco, Stalin simply didn't know how to rule a country.
Here:
Lenin: Russian. Very well educated, had a degree in law and was very smart. Knew a lot about politics, government, and military. Had good leadership.
Stalin: Georgian. Barely educated at all. I think he finished high school but I'm not sure that he even did that. Knew nothing of military tactics.
Trotsky: Ukrainian. Very well educated, was always at the top of his class. Knew a lot about politics, government, and military. Had very good leadership.

> Right from Aquarius' siggy:
> http://www.soldatworld.com/mappack.zip

WAIT! IT IS the OLD MAPPACK! I forgot to update my sig [:D]
The NEW version of the mappack is here:
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quote:Originally posted by Ho Chi Minh
is that pic in ur profile actually you?



Did you actually think that beautiful people would play soldat? HAHAHAHA!!! [;)]

lmfao,
no bloody wonder it kept saying "wrong map version"

thanks for the link.
who is that womans name please?


EDIT: it wont let me unzip it!!! help help plz
EDIT2: yes it will, i had to open it from the nternet, not download

quote:Did you actually think that beautiful people would play soldat? HAHAHAHA!!!
I play soldat...

quote:who is that womans name please?
And why would you want to know that?