I know this aint about soldat, but its important, u probly have seen the video of the american nick gettin his head cut of by al quaida, if anyone havent seen it just tell i can send u the video, its horrible, it was on the news and every tv channel, so maybe whe could have a little though for him, thx

I didn't bother to watch the video.

Although there are some conspiracy theories floating around out there.

Pretty sad to see what happened. Hopefully nothing like this will happen to any British soldiers/citizens over the fake photos published over there.

what kinda conspiracy theorys are those?

"an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth
and the world will stay the same"

Where have you been? These are all fake.....

It could be fake and made by some Iraqis who've got some beef with the USA.
Ir could be fake and made by the USA to attain support from their own citizens back home.
It could be real...

I couldn't really care less. I ain't buying into this propaganda either way. Americans invaded Iraq that's pretty much the only thing that's certain.

...or have they...

Heh.

First off, the US ones are real, they are being talked about in congress. They got caught because they took the pictures and sent it to loved ones and/or had them developed, and they somehow reached the hands of the US government.

The ones circulating in the UK are fake, someone at the Mirror I believe had to resign over it. Those pictures circulating there came from a porn site.

The "conspiracy" theory circulating is that the CIA or some top governmental agency killed him, to take the pressure off the US government and the Army for the Prisoner Photos. The evidence is pretty weak though.

This is some of it:

Look at the chair that Lyndie England was sitting on:
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The chair in the Prison shot:
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Look at the chair Nicolas was sitting on:
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Weak evidence to be sure, but conspiracies use every bit of "evidence" they can find ;). Also, they ask why Nicolas was wearing an orange jumpsuit (like the ones most prisoners in iraq nad other places wear), and that the terrorists were white, fat, and wearing bulletproof vests (one supposedly speaking Russian).

I think there's a chair like that in every home in Iceland...
And I saw that video, they weren't fat and they were not speaking Russian. However the quality was so bad that the arabic might as well have been pasted over the whole russian dialog.

But see, the4se speculations are the best reason for why you should say "I don't care". It's like trying to prove you exist in some meaningful way.

How did you see that video?

The beauty of the internet... I'm not going to link here though. I'll find it for you if you want. Just MSN me. I advice your from it though.. it's kinda disturbing.

I downloaded it after reading this topic.. I thought they would just chop his head off at once, but no, they had to do the über painful way :/
good thing that it was bad quality

[:O]

Did they cut it off slowly or something?

those basterds, we oughta make them perform sodomy on goats

quote:Originally posted by Weed
"an eye for an eye
a tooth for a tooth
and the world will stay the same"


That's right.

And...i don't like these strange conspiracies, respect the dead people.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

Anyway, the conspiracy thing is a bit far fetched, even though motive is there still seems false

stalky - no they did it really fast but they put the knife in the throat pipe thing.. :/

cup_of_squirrels - ............... 4 letters, guess them.

Ah right...well, it can't have been that bad then. Although the dude must have been bloody scared...

its not bad, its horrible, you dont die when your throat is being cutted, you suffer untill you choke. or if you're lucky you faint from all the pain and die abit later :o

Oh, they cut his throat? [:-censored]!

quote:the knife in the throat pipe thing


No the cut his "throat pipe thing"

homo

They cut his head off dude. Whats not to freaking understand?? You die within a min once your jagular is cut, so thats a plus. I'd rather bite a bullet tho.

any of you guys ever watch the faces of death videos? there's several instances they show muslims cutting someone's throat. there's even one where they cut off a guy's penis, shoved it down his throat and laughed at him while he choked on it.

after watching that vid when ever i hear his name it makes me feel sick.

oh yes, gotta love that human reaction called vengeance...

morpheus you are one sick [:-censored]. Some things are not ment to be seen.

they film it, and that makes me sick.. if you say so.

i dont get how you guys can watch that stuff. its fuking sick, not just that he is getting his head cut off you are watching someone die...

quote:Originally posted by morpheus
any of you guys ever watch the faces of death videos? there's several instances they show muslims cutting someone's throat. there's even one where they cut off a guy's penis, shoved it down his throat and laughed at him while he choked on it.

A lot of those are fake.
I think there are 2 "movies" full with clips of people dieing. I read somewhere that medical doctors (erm, people who check bodies etc.) use it to toughen themselves :/
can't believe I started to download the 2nd one, I'm glad I cancelled it

back to Nick Berg. I just thought they'd chop his head off at once with an axe.. I had the sound muted when they killed him, but I think he was unconscious / dead pretty fast. Still, it obviously was unbelievably painful. (hi mr obvious :/)

..just picked this up on IRC: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477

b00sta, the term you are looking for is 'forensic scientist' [:)]

holy sh!t... i only watched the CNN.com version so far, they cenzored all the head cutting thing.
f*ck that's sick.
did george bush watched that ?

How can you guys be so emotionless hearing this. I don't question the possibility that the vid may be fake but you guys talk of it as if you would be talking about some meaningless topic. OMG you guys are so sick!

What do you mean? I feel bad, sickened and overall disturbed. I haven't even seen it but it still sickens me. Words on a forum don't really convey emotion either

woah, one person gets killed on TV and everyone seems surprised...
people get killed everyday, do you have the same feelings for them?

Sure we do. I lived in a very bad area, seeing people killed wasn't pleasent at all....

Its just that people are actually watching these people die Weed, not just hearing about it. Thats why everyone is reacting this way obviously.

hearing about them dying, seeing them die, not a big difference.

Of course there is a big difference. Some reporter on TV says 30 people died. There would be a bigger residual effect if you actually saw them die, rather than some third party telling you they died. That is what is happening here.

weed there's a big diffrence then seeing death announcments on streets\news\newspaper, then watching a guy gets headcutted alive.

so unless someone shows you how someone else dies, you wont feel as sorry for the man?
is that because you kinda get attached to someone just after you see it? or is just coz it's too grpahic and it messes up with your mind?
if the Media wouldnt want the people to feel so sorry for this guy, then they wouldnt show it on TV, but by showing it on TV, they are also helping the ones who killed him, since they are looking to be known worldwide as the oppositors of the americans, and if they tape that, is so people will know they are there.
so if CNN shows that on TV, is to, in 1 hand, to work on your feelings, and in the other hand, to give publicity to the ones who killed him, coz for real, if there were no wars, and no problems in the world, CNN would die, what would they show instead as news? "on today's news, the 26th season of friends starts tomorrow", no one cares about that, when you put on CNN, you wanna hear about wars, death people, shooting, robbing, and violence. thats what feeds CNN. so you could say that the media, in a way, helps the terrorist groups by giving them publicity.

is my point clearer now?

it would not be the same for me to see the video where they cut his head off, and read on the newspaper "terrorists ripped a guy's head off".

when you read - a man ate sh!t
do you get grossed ?
what about when you see a man eating sh!t ?
sure you can get grossed by both these cases, but its obvious and completley normal if your reaction would be more extreme if you'd see him actually eating sh!t, then just reading about it.
point clear ? :>

yes, that means that you actually arent feeling sorry for the guy over the normal sorrow feeling for seeing him being decapitated on tv, you just feel sick because you see it and it's more graphic then a note on a newspaper.

(removes flaming of weed)

it is a fact that people react differently to images than they do to words and text, IT IS A PROVEN FACT YOU STUPID COCK.

hello dear, stupid cock here, once you learn how to hold your horses talk to me again.

ok ok, it is a prove fact that people act differently to images.

quote:Originally posted by Weed
people get killed everyday

My father drove on a highway with 110 km/h last saturday night. Suddenly both airbags pop up, my father stops and realizes what happened. He drove over a ~50 year old man who lay on the highway on purpose.
Head chopped off, back of the head seperated..
my father didn't drink alcohol and he's not guilty, everybody could have been the guy who drove over him.
I saw the pics of our car, with blood on the car plate..
just felt the urge to share this, although he killed himself, not someone else.

Edit: How is my father supposed to react? He saw the body and, yes, it does have a big impact on him. I'm glad he knows that he isn't guilty, otherwise it would be hell for him..
Think of the train drivers, a few years ago a teenager jumped in front of the train.. they're totally innocent, but they quit their job.

If you'd seriously care about all those people dieing, look up the numbers of children starving every day.
The Nick Berg thing is just.. "emphasized" by the media and by this topic.

thats what i was trying to say Boosta, too bad i didnt have that great example.

I think weed is saying that it's absurd that you need flashy images to 'care more' about he poor fellow.

Ofcourse that only works if you cared much in the first place.

Personaly it didn't make me care much more, just emphasized how sick the ritual was. With all the yanking of the head, using the machette more like a saw than a cutting weapon. I didn't feel more for the poor man, just felt a bit more revolted seeing it up close. And that's what most of the other people are trying to tell you, Weed.

quote:Originally posted by Weed
yes, that means that you actually arent feeling sorry for the guy over the normal sorrow feeling for seeing him being decapitated on tv, you just feel sick because you see it and it's more graphic then a note on a newspaper.


no it doesnt mean i dont feel sorry for the guy if i read about it.
it only means i'll react diffrently (more exaggurated~ way) after i SEE it.

i would give them an Oscar ^_^