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grand_diablo
July 6, 2004, 1:16 pm
Today, ive played a funwar together with one from pLue and one from MN vs. 3 guys from a clan called dMg. Although the war itself was nice and fair, a player named BioHazard used taunts that i think are definitely not ok, eventhough he used it only in teamchat. (The rest of his team used normal taunts)

I guess, he's using them in every game, but still, i dont like to be (indirectly) titulated as a N.azi. His taunts were like
"N.azi flagger escaping down, kill the b.astard"
"N.azis captured the base..."
and so on.

see here:
http://soldatrace.jpmxx.de/taunt1.jpg
http://soldatrace.jpmxx.de/taunt2.jpg

If i ran a ctf/inf league or tournament, i wouldnt accept teams using such taunts, even if they only use it only in teamchat.

At least we pwnd them quite high (4-3 on B2B, voland 6-1 or something like that, and about 7-1 on Laos), at least we teached them a lesson in that way. The only thing BioHazard said when i complained bout his taunts was "That are my taunts" and a lot of smileys without a real answer.

Now Id like to know what you think bout this, and using such taunts...

(PS: Sorry, i had to use the dots, to avoid the automatic censorship)

Se7enWolf
July 6, 2004, 1:43 pm
Hmm... all my taunts are just really to piss people off... I wouldn't call anyone a nazi tho... unless... err... they go on about jew-hating or whatever I MIGHT be compelled to call those certain kinds nazis... yet, maybe he was using a WWII mod or... I dunno... don't take much offense to it, some people can be quite absurd in their taunts...

sativa
July 6, 2004, 1:47 pm
maybe he just uses a ww2 mod?

grand_diablo
July 6, 2004, 1:52 pm
I dont care if he used a mod, i dont want to be titulated as a n.azi, not even indirectly. And changing taunts is easy, so that mod aint an excuse.

Se7enWolf
July 6, 2004, 1:54 pm
All that's simply said is, it doesn't make you one, it's as if someone in soldat calls me a queer, doesn't mean I am one, just means I'll try to own them more...

CbbLe
July 6, 2004, 2:04 pm
roar!
we got cw vs him and his clan tonight..I can own him just for you grand_diablo ;)

Melba
July 6, 2004, 2:27 pm
KnOt says " rape him " and so on... I don't take offence, but im sure someone would, tho i agree calling someone a nazi is quite harsh, espescially when he is from Germany!

frogboy
July 6, 2004, 2:32 pm
They're just codenames for certain things... I remember when we matched a clan (:IM:?) and they had taunts like 'Incoming homos top', etc... they're strategic codenames, that's all.

grand_diablo
July 6, 2004, 2:46 pm
Mmmmh, if the taunt say "Incoming bitch/homo/..." i dont care, but imho calling the enemy a N.azi goes too far :/

Deleted User
July 6, 2004, 2:47 pm
Why do you use that dot on word "nazi"? It doesn't even get censored. :P

grand_diablo
July 6, 2004, 2:50 pm
Oh, i thought it was ^^

aye, CbbLe, bash em to pieces, especially BioHazard ^^

N1nj@
July 6, 2004, 3:21 pm
You can't do sh!t about it, unless it is some kind of league match with rules against racisim

Kazuki
July 6, 2004, 3:47 pm
Spydey is right. Nothing can really be done, except for asking him to change his taunts. What can be done is in Michal's hands. I was thinking something like an anti-cuss option for servers. I know you guys think it's a stupid idea, but it's something.

N1nj@
July 6, 2004, 4:24 pm
too much options already...aiya...Instead of an option, I was hoping we introduce plugins, something that you dont HAVE to have in the game, but you can install it by downloading it from the official site and putting it inside the Soldat directory. The plugins will have different functions depending on the programmer/maker...

Kazuki
July 6, 2004, 4:50 pm
That's a pretty good idea.

Drama
July 6, 2004, 4:59 pm
who cares

sativa
July 7, 2004, 12:51 pm
you drama you do, else you wouldn't post in here ;)

CbbLe
July 7, 2004, 1:13 pm
roar!
they got humiliated :D *snarfed*

Element_101
July 7, 2004, 1:25 pm
Going a little off topic here...

KnOt
July 8, 2004, 5:35 pm
I dont say 'rape them' .. but I do say ' Where's that c.unt who stole our flag?' .. or 'incoming scum over' .. or ' i smacked that bitch up, no worries' .. those are mild little insults, supposed to be funny not offensive. I agree though, Nazi is going too far.

Drama
July 8, 2004, 8:06 pm
quote:Originally posted by sativa
you drama you do, else you wouldn't post in here ;)


just because i got +1 post (now +2) and i expressed my opinion

Is nazi such bad word?

Keinonen
July 9, 2004, 1:19 pm
HAHAHAHAHAAHAH xD... I told Bio to stick those taunts where sun doesn't shine when he plays against Germans, Austrians and Jews but did he liste to me? Of course not...
Anyway you shouldn't take him too seriously, but I agree that he should change his taunts...

Dice
July 9, 2004, 6:27 pm
Haha LoL. Bio was kinda "WTF?" when he saw this. Hehe... But i agree with Drama. Is nazi really that bad word?

wood
July 9, 2004, 6:44 pm
quote:Originally posted by grand_diablo
I dont care if he used a mod, i dont want to be titulated as a n.azi, not even indirectly. And changing taunts is easy, so that mod aint an excuse.



Do you know why the word "nazi" isnt censored on this forum? It's because its not a bad word AT ALL.

Now before i continue, let me just point out that this is a great example of more pre-teens taking up arms in soldat...god help us all...[:-nonono]

listen diablo, im not quite sure how things work down in austria, but up here, the word "nazi" is not a curse in any sense of the word...

i understand that the nazi's were horrible people who commited millions of atrocities, but being called one on soldat is not the end-of-the-world scenario like you make it out to me. there are two supporting reasons for this...



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#1 - he is calling YOU a nazi. technically speaking, that makes you the bad guy, not him. nazi's hated the jews...from what you say this guy didnt spout off any anti-semetic babble. his only infringement was calling u, the enemy, a nazi...which leads me to the second reason

#2 - you are not a nazi. you know exactly who you are deep down inside, so who gives a F*CK what some hapless noob calls you? furthermore, it wasnt even a PERSONAL comment...it wasnt directed at you and he made no attempt to single you, or any of your teammates out. It was just a simple TEAMSPEAK taunt, so obviously it WASNT PERSONAL.

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So in closing, i'd just like to say that if you are 16 yrs or younger, and some one calls you a meaningless name, just let it sllliiiddddeeee. you obviously have a lot of growing up to do, just do us all a favor and keep the immature whining [:-weepn] out of the forums.

[:-sleep]



p.s. - no one likes you

Deleted User
July 9, 2004, 6:58 pm
ahah omg u guys, it's not my problem if sum1 gets insulted by my taunts, anyway im not gonna change them.
or perhaps i'll change them that every "Nazi" is replaced with "Commie", and then the russians would b like "mrraaaaah!" and invade finland. =D
and theyre supposed to b considered as jokes. =P
and im not using any mod, so it's just normal soldat.

Ymies
July 9, 2004, 7:20 pm
ffs. grand diablo, it's just a game o_O

Keinonen
July 9, 2004, 7:40 pm
Heh... this thread makes all Finns look a bit racist... maybe we are....hmmmm...

wood
July 9, 2004, 8:25 pm
No, it makes austrians look like pansys.

do u guys know what a pansy is?

KnOt
July 9, 2004, 11:17 pm
A pussy, or a girly man.. aka a fagget.

grand_diablo
July 9, 2004, 11:30 pm
some guys don't read properly, eh

I know that taunt wasnt there especially for opponents from Germany or Austria, but i still think this "there goes the nazi, kill him" directing at the enemy flagger or team (bla.. nazis captured the base..) is not okay. I wont care if the taunt said "bitch, n00b, etc." but i dont want in any way be called a nazi.

wood...
Maybe this is handled and understood different where you live wood, but those taunts are simply a kind of insult to the majority of german and austrian players (and more).
Sorry, you cant see everything from the american side of life, nor the finnish, nor any pure national view. American mentality does not work everywhere in the world, nor does finnish, greek or whatever national mentality.
You see, (if youve read the whole thread) quite a number of ppl also think that being called a Nazi, even through a taunt, is not ok.

I think when playing a game that is international (obviously every online game normally is), you should be careful with such things. Where is the problem with changing that taunt in "Enemy Flagger..." or if you want it hard n heavy "Enemy bitches/n00bs/losers/..."

If you think that my view is immature (seems you like playing the old, wise, omniscent man...), go ahead, i still dont want to be called a Nazi, even in a non-personal taunt.

MisterX
July 9, 2004, 11:44 pm
I wouldn't take this too serious. I understand that you dislike it, but I'm sure he doesn't mean you as the person. It's more or less a "joke", like I know people who got taunts like "Enemy sheep incoming.." (heyho RR [;)]). Yes, it's a badly chosen "joke", but hey. Tell this guy that you don't want to see the taunt, and if he doesn't care, better try to ignore it.

And wood.. erm, no. Why are people that take things like that more serious than others pre-teens. Everyone has his own opinion, and some people just think different about things than others.
And for sure an american doesn't take insults like "nazi" as serious as an austrian or german guy.

Deleted User
July 9, 2004, 11:56 pm
Why does everyone always whine in soldat? :(

Go try that in cs man....

Those taunts is more like an joke, to see it more fun while playing..
Btw, you wouldn't do this post if it were Sv...


Deleted User
July 10, 2004, 12:03 am
Nedech and sum other guys r right, it is supposed to b comsidered as a joke and make the game more fun to play with good taunts.
but, all ppl arent blessed with a good sense of humor as me =D

grand_diablo
July 10, 2004, 12:07 am
quote:Originally posted by Nedech
Why does everyone always whine in soldat? :(


Im not whining about the game, but i think i do have the right to complain if a taunt is insulting in my eyes.

Calling someone a Nazi in Germany and Austria can and most likely will provoke very different reactions than doing this in Sweden/Finland/USA...

This taunt was not chosen very sensitively.

Dice
July 10, 2004, 12:07 am
OMFG. Why this is so BIG number!?

Deleted User
July 10, 2004, 12:07 am
Well calling someone a nazi isn't really good joke as it doesn't make me laught but calling someone a sheep is. :D

Junot
July 10, 2004, 12:51 am
wow is it jus me or duz this guy sound like hes about to cry

Snipedmyself
July 10, 2004, 11:09 am
i wish i was cool liek icp!

and-
here-

guy- "nazi..."
poster: **stunned**
guy: **killed poster**
poster: "omg..."
guy: "(nazi taunt here)"
poster has left the game

poster: **whoa!**
**goes to werk with same stunned look on face and doesnt look at anyone, maybe blinking when name is said**
**posts, ergo becomes poster**

ICP is soooooooo cooooooooool! omg i should [:-censored] to their picks!

grand_diablo
July 10, 2004, 11:57 am
quote:Originally posted by BioHaZaRD
Nedech and sum other guys r right, it is supposed to b comsidered as a joke and make the game more fun to play with good taunts.
but, all ppl arent blessed with a good sense of humor as me =D


Good sense of humor?

You're lacking education and social sense i fear...

I explained it long enough, and you will be the one who will get problems with quite a number of players in the future, cause of your totally idiotic taunt. Go to Austria or Germany and call someone a Nazi, just for fun (as you like to do), or a group of people (so it ain't personally adressed). You can be charged by the police for calling someone a Nazi in public here, just to inform you how serious this is taken in those countries. So your "good sense of humour" (oh, its so fun to call someone a Nazi 0_o) can bring you into troubles in other countries.

If you think everyone interprets the word Nazi the same way and has the same view on it, youre wrong, keep that in mind. Go ahead and use your stupid taunt, you are the one running into conflicts then...

Chakra
July 10, 2004, 6:27 pm
Well for the rest of the world, 'Nazi' is merely a comical noun for someone considered remotely evil. To think that someone who steals your flag must be so evil as to be a nazi is hilarious...in theory.

"Tell my wife I narghh.." is a taunt I often use in soldat. Alas theres always the unfortunate chance i've upset someone who's husband just died. Probably by a barret.


For all our misfortunes, characteristics, history and religions, there is a humerous side - no matter how dark or depressing the matter. I saw a jewish comedian making fun of his own last night... "i'm jewish, just so you know" he introduced himself, showing off his large hook nose and black hair. And even after the disaster of 9/11 there was a flurry of fear-of-plane jokes.

Granted, when something effects us directly it can be a little hard to take lightly, but self mockery is the greatest test of character. That, and sleeping with your sister's best friend.

KnOt
July 10, 2004, 6:44 pm
I'm from Malta, just so you know =\

Keinonen
July 10, 2004, 10:06 pm
Grand Diablo... don't take it too seriously... if taunt says that nazis are incoming it doesn't mean that youre a nazi. I say that only 'cause youre Austrian you have made so big number about it. Why? Nationalism Socialism is an ideology. It has some supporters in every continent. Austrians aren't the only ones with this problem so don't feel that taunt offended your national pride...

Kazuki
July 10, 2004, 11:38 pm
I still think a cencor plugin is a good idea. =\

grand_diablo
July 11, 2004, 12:08 am
Mmmh i think the chance to meet a player from Germany or Austria is by far greater than meeting one whos husband just died. I dont feel so affected by it anymore than i did during that game and when i started the thread, but i still think the taunt was not chosen very intelligently :/

Keinonen
July 11, 2004, 10:22 am
quote:Originally posted by Kazuki
I still think a cencor plugin is a good idea. =
Hell no. Wouldn't be any use 'cause anyone can change their f'cks and sh*ts a bit so that cencor doesn't mind about it

wood
July 12, 2004, 2:59 pm
quote:Originally posted by grand_diablo
I dont feel so affected by it anymore than i did during that game and when i started the thread



OMG. IT IS DIVINE INTERVENTION! we just witnessed the miracle of maturity right before our very eyes.

In one minute he is a whining crybaby who needs to run on the forums the second some one says something even remotely vulgar.

The next minute he recants and realizes that shi*ting himself over stupid non-personal taunts is a waste of not only his time, BUT OURS TOO!!!



[:-pirate]

Deleted User
July 12, 2004, 3:41 pm
lol wood =D but ur right
besides i don't care [:-censored] what sum noobs keep whining bout my tauns