In light of the mostly downward trend in the quality of the other War In Iraq thread:
What do you guys, as American/European teens, think of the war, how it has gone, and whether it has achieved any of its "original goals", if there were any. For you Europeans, im curious to see what you think of America, and its recent world affairs in light of 9/11 and this "war against terrorism" It should be interesting to see what different teens throughout the world's more populated nations think about what the entire situation has turned into. Do your opinions differ from those of your parents?
my post from the other thread:
quote:
Nobody has come out ahead with any of the Iraq BS. Bush wasn't exactly wise with what he did, and didn't have a good enough plan when he took upon himself the burden or Iraq. Anyone who proclaims their support of Bush is giving the world the impression that us Americans support the actions of Bush. When all you American teens on this forum are old enough to vote, and you start thinking about who deserves your vote, then you will realize that you really don't want to support the nonsense that Bush has brought in the past 4 years. I have been thinking about it lately and realize that if Bush gets re-elected, then we come off to the world as saying "Yes, we do support our president's actions", when really, the only people who do support him now are those who are in the armed forces, going into the armed forces, or hopeful family members of servicepeople.
As for people like CHALLENGER, dropping nukes on Iraq would go against a lot of what we have stood for in the years since all the nuclear treaties and the cold war. It wouldn't solve anything, piss off everyone in the middle east and the UN, drop us outta the UN, and justify the use of nukes against us through terrorism or proper military strikes.
As for everyone else who thinks this war is still going on, it is effectively over. As of last wednesday, Iraq was turned over to it's own interim government and it's own police forces are replacing the remaining occupation of US and other world forces.
Most of the world thinks that we went into Afghanistan and then Iraq as a quick response after 9/11 for revenge, and given the latest reports of inaccurate intelligence about WMDs in Iraq, that seems more and more true.
In closing, the world knew that this war would not turn out with a clear winner, it wasn't like Iraq had an organized army that could possibly rival what the US could bring to the table. Too many people watched the original broadcasts on CNN of the main attack on baghdad and that impressed the image on them that we are going full out on Iraq. Now that the occupation is formally over, we can do nothing but wait for the terrorism and disruptions to end in the middle east, but we all know that this may never happen, as it has not in other less-than-peaceful countries of that region. Hopefully Bush will be ousted in the upcoming election, and Kerry can clean up what Bush started, and preserve our image among our allies and fellow people of the world.
my two cents
-Brick
Do you American teens have any opinion on the election of 2004, and do you think that terrorists are going to attempt to interfere with our election process?
Of the candidate for this election, who do you support and why?
I support Kerry because he is "cautious on the war issue" and even though that is all he has really said, it makes me feel more comfortable that he may put more thought into it than President Bush, who seemed a little too focused on showing the world how powerful we are. At a point, the Bush administration had made small mentions of a draft, and although those thoughts have passed with the formal occupation of Iraq, I find it bothersome that our president would go against past laws specifically disallowing any future draft. Moreso, he would draft women and college studends and those who are college bound, potentially ruining their lives and the lives of everyone close to them. Kerry seems a little more sensitive to the lives of the American people, and being more liberal, I think that he would help with other issues that would help us all, namely stem cell research. With Bush, it seems that just about all he is focused on is the actions of the military. On NPR (National Public Radio) I had heard about numerous groups who had been promised time with the president, only to be blown off for no reason, and on many different occasions. Do these sound like the actions of a man you would want leading your country. If you are bored and feel like being informed about many things, mainly politics, i would reccomend listening to your local public stations that run NPR programs, or streaming it from their site. A good one to stream is www.wamc.org because it has the NPR programs plus a lot from BBC and other news/political information
I think im just looking to see what people think of the US, and what us Americans think of what is going on, from the view of the younger generations.
Hopefully this thread will stay cleaner than the other one, im looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
Thanks for your input,
-Brick
What do you guys, as American/European teens, think of the war, how it has gone, and whether it has achieved any of its "original goals", if there were any. For you Europeans, im curious to see what you think of America, and its recent world affairs in light of 9/11 and this "war against terrorism" It should be interesting to see what different teens throughout the world's more populated nations think about what the entire situation has turned into. Do your opinions differ from those of your parents?
my post from the other thread:
quote:
Nobody has come out ahead with any of the Iraq BS. Bush wasn't exactly wise with what he did, and didn't have a good enough plan when he took upon himself the burden or Iraq. Anyone who proclaims their support of Bush is giving the world the impression that us Americans support the actions of Bush. When all you American teens on this forum are old enough to vote, and you start thinking about who deserves your vote, then you will realize that you really don't want to support the nonsense that Bush has brought in the past 4 years. I have been thinking about it lately and realize that if Bush gets re-elected, then we come off to the world as saying "Yes, we do support our president's actions", when really, the only people who do support him now are those who are in the armed forces, going into the armed forces, or hopeful family members of servicepeople.
As for people like CHALLENGER, dropping nukes on Iraq would go against a lot of what we have stood for in the years since all the nuclear treaties and the cold war. It wouldn't solve anything, piss off everyone in the middle east and the UN, drop us outta the UN, and justify the use of nukes against us through terrorism or proper military strikes.
As for everyone else who thinks this war is still going on, it is effectively over. As of last wednesday, Iraq was turned over to it's own interim government and it's own police forces are replacing the remaining occupation of US and other world forces.
Most of the world thinks that we went into Afghanistan and then Iraq as a quick response after 9/11 for revenge, and given the latest reports of inaccurate intelligence about WMDs in Iraq, that seems more and more true.
In closing, the world knew that this war would not turn out with a clear winner, it wasn't like Iraq had an organized army that could possibly rival what the US could bring to the table. Too many people watched the original broadcasts on CNN of the main attack on baghdad and that impressed the image on them that we are going full out on Iraq. Now that the occupation is formally over, we can do nothing but wait for the terrorism and disruptions to end in the middle east, but we all know that this may never happen, as it has not in other less-than-peaceful countries of that region. Hopefully Bush will be ousted in the upcoming election, and Kerry can clean up what Bush started, and preserve our image among our allies and fellow people of the world.
my two cents
-Brick
Do you American teens have any opinion on the election of 2004, and do you think that terrorists are going to attempt to interfere with our election process?
Of the candidate for this election, who do you support and why?
I support Kerry because he is "cautious on the war issue" and even though that is all he has really said, it makes me feel more comfortable that he may put more thought into it than President Bush, who seemed a little too focused on showing the world how powerful we are. At a point, the Bush administration had made small mentions of a draft, and although those thoughts have passed with the formal occupation of Iraq, I find it bothersome that our president would go against past laws specifically disallowing any future draft. Moreso, he would draft women and college studends and those who are college bound, potentially ruining their lives and the lives of everyone close to them. Kerry seems a little more sensitive to the lives of the American people, and being more liberal, I think that he would help with other issues that would help us all, namely stem cell research. With Bush, it seems that just about all he is focused on is the actions of the military. On NPR (National Public Radio) I had heard about numerous groups who had been promised time with the president, only to be blown off for no reason, and on many different occasions. Do these sound like the actions of a man you would want leading your country. If you are bored and feel like being informed about many things, mainly politics, i would reccomend listening to your local public stations that run NPR programs, or streaming it from their site. A good one to stream is www.wamc.org because it has the NPR programs plus a lot from BBC and other news/political information
I think im just looking to see what people think of the US, and what us Americans think of what is going on, from the view of the younger generations.
Hopefully this thread will stay cleaner than the other one, im looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
Thanks for your input,
-Brick