omg, this is what 1.2 RC should have been, all the weapons are balanced, the barret is inaccurate in the air. it was so refreshing to play this, i even used the barret for a while and found it to be more fun when it was harder. :D it makes me depressed to know that so much work went into 1.2, we had it right, then messed it up again... [:(]

i concur

Tell us more about it..
I wanna know moooooooooooore :D

goddamn F***ing barretards.

if they would just USE a freakin different weapon, they would like it so much more.

I just went to a server last nite, and told teh barretards to try another weapon like the steyr.

2 of em tried it. 2 of them loved it. both now hate the barret.

many noobs start with the rifle cause its easy to get kills everyonce in a while (they will barly drill enough with a machine gun to kill anyone whose good.) so they use that, start to get better, eventually they try a real gun later and realize they have the skills to pull off better weapons. meh, thats just the way i see it.

the 1.2b beta were totally useless imo....barret were far misbalanced compared to other guns.

quote:Originally posted by CbbLe
the 1.2b beta were totally useless imo....barret were far misbalanced compared to other guns.


now its also misbalanced, just the other way round :/

probably a compromise between the beta (as far as ive read from Aerial) and the final would be best.

HIEI FOR BETA TESTER!!!! Barret even to other weapons you say.....A revolution!!

nono, no balance...its good the way it is. imo autos are more powerful than barret(consider all the amounts of hits that doesnt count due to lag, which makes autos alot more effective)

anyhow. I guess all thinks different (although if u read the info section on www.soldatveterans.tk you will see a good argument you can't disagree with)

quote:nono, no balance...its good the way it is.

CbbLe, take a nap and many fluids...you're SICK!

I can only dream (yet) that Michal hears our prays to him and balance the whole weaponary...[:-angel]

quote:Originally posted by CbbLe
sv|CbbLe - natural born barretard! *moooo!*
i rest my case

"A.B.A"

I rest my case too..

quote:Originally posted by CbbLe
nono, no balance...its good the way it is. imo autos are more powerful than barret(consider all the amounts of hits that doesnt count due to lag, which makes autos alot more effective)

anyhow. I guess all thinks different (although if u read the info section on www.soldatveterans.tk you will see a good argument you can't disagree with)


that someone mainly using a barret says this, doesnt surprise me. I know youre skilled with other weapons too, but you simply do much harder against opponents if you cant zap them with one shot that easily. Sure, my m79 is a one hit-kill weapon too, but I dont have a scope, the bullets don go that fast and fly a curve, so it needs more skill to hit. surely it has a bigger damage area, but if you hit someone directly in front of you this causes yourself to be blown up or at least damages u. the somewhat shorter relaod time doesnt do too much, as there is always some wall, hill etc. to dodge long enough, till the barret is reloaded.

And with automatics you musst be able to hit a moving enemy for a longer time, with m79 you need to guess where he runs. With barret you just aim a little bit upwards the opponent, and *zap* he's a piece of dead meat, whether you are standing, proning, ducking or flying.

Ok, more barret fighting:

The reason why weapons are fair is because:
a) barret is easier with a low amount of people
b) autos are easier with a high amount of people

a) barret is better on bigger maps since it got long scope
b) autos are better on smaller maps since you constantly get attacked and need to shoot right away (which u cant with barret) + it's crowded so u can spray and pray.

a) barret kills in 1 shot(but u have to hit that shot)
b) autos kills fast too (but u have to hit more shots..though, if u miss u have like 30-50 shots in a mag anyway and if u cant kill someone then u suck)

a) barret kills in 1 shot
b) autos can easily kill normal people with full health AND if you meet 2 or 3 wounded guys u easily kill them with one mag (which u can only kill one with if u have barret...see nr.1 b)

a) soldat servers are often laggy and ppl who play with barret knows that alot of the shots u hit on your screen don't hit on the other..so you get no kill for it
b) a automatic is easier in that case since even if u hit a few bullets(that dont count) u will kill him anyway

a) barret = 1 shot then takes time before it can shoot again
b) auto = 30-50 shots then takes time before it can shoot again

a) barret got longer sight and can shoot from distance
b) autos got normal sight but instead you can spray and pray over open hills(which I see alot of ppl do) and kill/wound others


those are my point of views from both guns and I can never understand why barret should be called overpowered...it all depends on the situation which gun is best.

only n00bs spray and pray.

autos are good with high or low amount of ppl.

autos also have a curve, barrets don't unless sniping.

also, i have no clue what your talking about wiht the lag, thats an issue wiht autos too.

#3 and #4 are the same thing.

+barret is overpowered by the simple fact that, if you have an auto, and you find a barretard, and you start firing at him, then he ahs like 1 health and his barret reloads, he kills you and IMO he doesnt deserve that kill

lol XD another barret thread time to skip this one as well weeeeee

ok everyone knows barret is misbalanced, and it's not gonna change soon, unless there's a revolution or something ...

quote:Originally posted by karmazonpl
ok everyone knows barret is misbalanced, and it's not gonna change soon, unless there's a revolution or something ...
there should be

cbble: i dont hate the barret as a weapon, i hate the fact that its too easy to use. i think the gun should be the way it was in 1.2b. except for the scope. the main hope of the ABA, or at least my hope is that the barrett is turned into a sniping/stationary weapon, only. for base defense, and if your good with it, then in DMs. i think this should be accomplished by giving it the physics of 1.2b, and the scope from 1.2 release candidate

quote:Originally posted by CbbLe

The reason why weapons are fair is because:
a) barret is easier with a low amount of people
b) autos are easier with a high amount of people


depends on the map, on some DM maps I can agree with you, but on most you can dodge and hide long enough. . And if you dont play 8on8 ctf, this might be only an issue on ctf_Kampf.

quote:
a) barret is better on bigger maps since it got long scope
b) autos are better on smaller maps since you constantly get attacked and need to shoot right away (which u cant with barret) + it's crowded so u can spray and pray.


I wouldn generally say its the overall size of the map. If there are many slopes and tunnels, the barret isnt THAT strong, but on most ctf_Maps you have a lot of "flat" Areas with plenty of space.

quote:
a) barret kills in 1 shot(but u have to hit that shot)
b) autos kills fast too (but u have to hit more shots..though, if u miss u have like 30-50 shots in a mag anyway and if u cant kill someone then u suck)


to a) here we have the point. Its simply too easy. Aim slightly down, press the mousebutton and goodbye.
to b) Autos spray quite a lot (except Minimi). So you need to be quite close to kill really fast, otherwise only 60-70% of the bullets hit + the lagfactor. And in case of the Minimi, you have to hit quite long or aim exactly at the head to make a fast kill. the thing with autos is, that you have to guess and follow the enemies movement with your aim. With barret you -more or less- need the current position, and zap em cause the bullet is so friggin fast.

quote:
a) barret kills in 1 shot
b) autos can easily kill normal people with full health AND if you meet 2 or 3 wounded guys u easily kill them with one mag (which u can only kill one with if u have barret...see nr.1 b)


I give you the point, that its easier to kill the one or another wounded guy with some left bullets. But this can be done with secondaries (socom, LAW) or nades too.

quote:
a) soldat servers are often laggy and ppl who play with barret knows that alot of the shots u hit on your screen don't hit on the other..so you get no kill for it
b) a automatic is easier in that case since even if u hit a few bullets(that dont count) u will kill him anyway


see one of the previous answers. And dont underestimate the lagfactor for autos.

quote:
a) barret = 1 shot then takes time before it can shoot again
b) auto = 30-50 shots then takes time before it can shoot again


Like I already said, many maps allow a long enough dodging till the reload is done.

quote:
a) barret got longer sight and can shoot from distance
b) autos got normal sight but instead you can spray and pray over open hills(which I see alot of ppl do) and kill/wound others


the barrets range is far bigger. Although you are partially right about this spraying after someone. but you can do this with barret too. someone just leaves the screen when you are scoping, and you just shoot after him. the chances to hit are quite high, but of course in this case the automatics are better.

But answer this simple question:

What is easer?
- aiming at someone for half a second and then hit him with one shot from a bullet flying in more or less a straight line.
- aiming at someone constantly, following his movement while trying to hit him.

After 8 months of barreting (including more than one month after the release of 1.2) I found out, that barreting is far easier than playing with any other weapon.

Why do you think, so many newbies use the barret? Why do many people switch to the barret when they are behind in a DM, and often turn the tide with it? This phenomenon can also be seen in CTF quite often.

And there is nothing more boring than a barret DM or a CTF war with 2 of 3 ppl in a team using a barret.

well said diablo.

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Yay for contradiction! Hey, while we're looking at the rules...
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Oh dear, right now YOU'RE whining about the 'underpoweredness' of Barret, and how oh-so-bad autos are.

Diablo said it all.

I play realistic games all the time and though the autos spray, you can easily learn they fire style. I learned almost all automatic guns (my favourite is the Steyr) and I can only say that I have more fun using automatics than camping with the barret and/or the ruger.

And beleve me. Learing the automatics way IS more fun...

Get used to it, its not going anywhere.

never ever.

It was stated often enough, that Michal doesnt like the way the barret is/is used.
Even if he said there wont be anymore changes, i wont say this means everything stays like that.

There is enough resistance against the barret, and all in all it were whining barreters (who call barret opponents "hiners now") who made Michal to take the changes from 1.2b back. This time its the other way round, now we have to whine so a compromise can be found. I dont say the barret should be like in 1.2b, but it also shouldnt be like it is now. A compromise between both would be good.

Also other weapons could be changed a bit (increase ruger reload time a bit, a bit less damage for m79, make AK equal to the Steyr, make Spas bullets a bit faster,...). The final word is not yet spoken. Its not the barret being the only misbalanced weapon. Its just the most misbalanced one.

something should be done with ruger, it hasn't changed since 1.1.4 ...

quote:Originally posted by grand_diablo
never ever.

It was stated often enough, that Michal doesnt like the way the barret is/is used.
Even if he said there wont be anymore changes, i wont say this means everything stays like that.

There is enough resistance against the barret, and all in all it were whining barreters (who call barret opponents "hiners now") who made Michal to take the changes from 1.2b back. This time its the other way round, now we have to whine so a compromise can be found. I dont say the barret should be like in 1.2b, but it also shouldnt be like it is now. A compromise between both would be good.

Also other weapons could be changed a bit (increase ruger reload time a bit, a bit less damage for m79, make AK equal to the Steyr, make Spas bullets a bit faster,...). The final word is not yet spoken. Its not the barret being the only misbalanced weapon. Its just the most misbalanced one.



I absolutely agree with you. on everything.

I still dont understand why michal would listen to alot of n00bs that would play teh game for a few months, get bored with it, and move on.

He should've listened to us, the true soldat players. Some of us have been around since 1.0.5. Soooo i dont understand how the n00bs word won over ours. You could argue that they had superior numbers, but did they? Even if they did, I believe michal could just as easily said, "[:-censored] of barretards, the barret is this way, and will stay this way." I mean, this is HIS game, he has absolute power.

Maybe he was worried he might take a huge chunk out of the community, ultimately ruining soldat, and it would be all his fault. That is not true, Michal. only n00bs use the barret. WE (as a whole) do not.

Lesson, NEVER, EVER, EVEEEEEEEEEER listen to barret n00bs.
Michal, you are SO much better than that.

the barret in 1.2b was perfect.

Omg could it be, yes another barret thread!

The barret will never be balanced in any version becasue every one has a different opinion as to how powerful it should be.

pistoletas and machine guns killed my barret skill :(

quote:Originally posted by AerialAssault
omg, this is what 1.2 RC should have been, all the weapons are balanced, the barret is inaccurate in the air. it was so refreshing to play this, i even used the barret for a while and found it to be more fun when it was harder. :D it makes me depressed to know that so much work went into 1.2, we had it right, then messed it up again... [:(]



You WILL suggest voice support!

<cough>
read my sig

quote:Originally posted by grand_diablo
and all in all it were whining barreters (who call barret opponents "hiners now") who made Michal to take the changes from 1.2b back.

it was whiners like you that made michal change the barret in the firstplace.
there werent much whining in version 1.1.5 where the barret wasnt shooting well when you aimed down-left or up-right, ofcourse there were those few people that cried about barret.. but those were chakra and his buds.
but hey,
kill chakra with barret = barretard
kill chakra with m79 = use something else
kill chakra with law = get some skills
kill chakra with ruger on realistic mode = you're a good player!
(can you guess what weapon chakra uses ?)

again i have to give out myself as an example, but there arent much people left in this forum that can actually PLAY (or try to).

well..
i started using barret abit after 1.1.4 came out with the anti-lag system.
you can ask just about anyone that was playing since atleast 1 year ago (and knows me), all of them will tell you i was playing with m79.
there were still much barret users in 1.1.4 and 1.1.5 and the versions before, yet i dont remember even once about whining about barrets, or even having problems with barrets.
anyway when i started using barret i duelled R (do you even know him?) and got horribly owned, yet i still kept using barret because IT WAS FUNNIER TO USE THEN M79.
that's just my example and i'm sure more people think the same.

once again, its you whiners that turned the well ballanced 1.1.5 barret, to what you now call "overpowered weapon".
i agree that this version's barret is easier to use then 1.1.5's but its still nowhere near an overpowered weapon, and i can prove it anytime.



(i double posted to bump the thread)

WOW! I never knew you were a Wtf that said "Stfu"!
If people are whining about the power, then shut up, the power is fine, it just needs the assault combat fixed.

Whoohoo! A Barret thread. Maybe I'll pretend to care later tonight and make a pretty big post.

Then I'll post so u won't have a double post, nor a racional reason for an edit harhar xD
The 1 problem with it that it is accurate in air.No more, no less.

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What is easer?
- aiming at someone for half a second and then hit him with one shot from a bullet flying in more or less a straight line.
- aiming at someone constantly, following his movement while trying to hit him.
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- Yes, It's easier if you meet one person alone...but im talking about games with like 6-10 people in it..you constantly get attacked by more than one person at the time, which in my opinion autos are better then (small maps), and barret on big maps where you meet the guys as you say 1vs1 (big maps).

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Oh dear, right now YOU'RE whining about the 'underpoweredness' of Barret, and how oh-so-bad autos are.
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expressing your opinion isn't whining...whining is when u are complaining in a rude/annoying way.

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- what I mean by that is that you shouldn't brag when you win or say things to people who aren't as good as you.
I dunno..maybe I contradicted myself...guess im not all perfect :/


-- and I finish this post with saying...I dont think barret is overpowered. it all depends on the situation--

EDIT: How the hell do I quote certain stuff from a post? :)

ROFL!! ASGGGGG stupid cababul

*sigh* I didn't want to reply to another barret thread.. but ok, there's someone who says something new...

quote:Originally posted by CbbLe
- Yes, It's easier if you meet one person alone...but im talking about games with like 6-10 people in it..you constantly get attacked by more than one person at the time, which in my opinion autos are better then (small maps), and barret on big maps where you meet the guys as you say 1vs1 (big maps).
You forget something: It's not like that there is the barreter on the one side, and e.g. 2 enemies on the other side. As long as games (for example ctf) are balanced, e.g. 2 red and 2 blue people meet. so if the red barreter now easily kills one enemy, there's just a single one left. and then there is another red left. but the barret himself still can attack with his secondary weapon, for example with his socom. so it's still not a completly balanced fight.
and not only on big dm maps barret is the strongest one. on big maps its barret. ruger is strong there, too, but not as strong (because of the point you got in the first quite). and on small maps there is just the m79 besides the barret. i dont like m79 in some situations as well, but thats not the point now. because on small areas its not that much harder to aim with barret (And don't say i dont know what im talking about. im not a barreter, but i played with barret often enough, in serious matches, for example ESL 1on1 matches, too.), so the chances with a weapon that doesn't kill with one shoot are still less.

And to Michal's opinion, here's a quote of one of the mails he sent me:
quote:Michal Marcinkowski wrote:
I didn't say I like it the way it is, but I can't really do anything about it. I don't like Barret fights, I think they are boring compared to other weapon fights. [...]

"so if the red barreter now easily kills one enemy, there's just a single one left. and then there is another red left. but the barret himself still can attack with his secondary weapon, for example with his socom. so it's still not a completly balanced fight."

-and if the barretguy gets injured the other autop will finish him off with ease...and if two autos attack at once..they will finish of the barreter..if its 1vs1 barret will finish of the auto (but now we have the lag issue which wont affect two autos since they still kill if some shots dont hit)

quote:Originally posted by karmazonpl
something should be done with ruger, it hasn't changed since 1.1.4 ...


With ruger? Don't touch my ruger. It's fine, works perfect.

Ugh... Why do people persist to whine about the barret.. It's the only gun I don't use (mini is an exception) because it doesn't fit my playing style, but that doesn't mean every time I get killed with it I'm going to piss and moan about it. If you guys don't like the barret. Then stop playing. Or make your own server with no 'ret. Otherwise it's not going anywhere. What would an action game be without a rifle? And I think it's been nerfed enough. Quit whining pleeease.