ScreenShot:
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I made MapMakerPlus.
I'm Japanese.So I can't write in English well..
Please read text file in this file..
[URL]

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What does this mapmaker do better than the official mapmaker?

hmmm looks kinda advanched hmmmm paintcolor (beta) ??

hmm gotta try it
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maaan lots of error i couldn't really do anything not even add polygons/medkits/collisions/loading maps and so on...
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wow! this looks Really good!

>Hercule Poirot
This tool must be installed in the Soldat game folder.

Soldat <Dir>
|-MapMaker <Dir>
||-MapMaker.exe
......

Damn, good work. I was thinking of doing something like this, but didn't get around to it.

The Paintcolor is really nice, and I hope you can get it to work properly soon. When you do, adding a tool to change the amount of area affected by it would be sweet.

The sendback is also a nice feature, although it's a little buggy at the moment.

The more competition in new map makers the better I say. Keep it up ;)

This is extremely cool, perfect for shading :O two thumbs up :P

It's GREAT!!! Please don't stop working on it!

"Clean scenery list" button, cool! :)

BTW... you made "send back" button, you should make "bring front" too IMO. :) And I suggest to rearrange the user interace, because it's a bit to messy now.

wow. this is great.

SUPPORT !!!

Heh, if you include the things suggested by now, and an option to select/move/resize scenery after placing it, i will use the MMPlus for certain!

Great job :D

Good job Mark.jp! Once you understand the source you can make pretty cool things. Please do more.

what exactly does it do.

Looks great I'll download now. Btw what exactly does send back do?

quote:Originally posted by Ville Mk.2Looks great I'll download now. Btw what exactly does send back do?

It sends selected poly behind all other polys.

Now I have someone to compete with...

bring it :P

Edit: Actually, go ahead and use any of the openMapper source if you want. All the comments are in english, but it has some extra features you might want to check out.

That is sexy

this mut be the coolest thing i have seen since by birth
Than i couldn't have seen much..

If Michal likes it, I have to download it!
Gonna download it tomorrow, though... comments is coming.

Please please fix it so that I can make more than 255 scenery objects! I know that I'm not the only one who is plagued by this limit.

Another problem: could you make it so that I can select individual objects. Trying to delete one object out of many is so painfully difficult.

Great mapmaker by the way, keep up the good work!

> Vijchtidoodah

I am making MapMakerPlus Beta3.
I fixed scenery limits.
Scenery limit is 5000 on Beta3!

So,Please wait..

quote:Originally posted by Mark.jp> Vijchtidoodah

I am making MapMakerPlus Beta3.
I fixed scenery limits.
Scenery limit is 5000 on Beta3!

So,Please wait..


And it works in Soldat with more scenries than 255 ??? :O I can't believe it.

> Aquarius
I tried MapFile with 300Scenerys in Soldat.
There aren't problems.

And,I am trying MapFile with 1000 scenerys.

what about redoing the scenery placement?
first set the size of the scenery (scenery.height = mouse.x - scenery.x; scenery.height = mouse.y - scenery.y;)
click right
then set the rotation (just as it is now.)
click right to set the scenery, click left to go one step backwards -> size settings.

Another thing that would be useful is either a group or univeral "fix texture" button so that you don't have to click each and every polygon in order to get the textures to line up.

I've been playing around with the original map maker and a grouping tool would be very useful too.

Sorry to post so many times in a row, but it would be awesome if you could also include a polygon rotation tool like there is for the objects. Also, a group polygon rotation tool.

There's an edit button that looks like this: [IMAGE]

Use it.

an screenshot taker. So you can save an overview of jpg or gif.

the screenshot is not needed.
just use the 'print' button, go to paint or any othe rgraphic tool and push Ctrl + V to insert a screenshot of the whole desktop

no [IMAGE] sherlock you think im an idiot? but its a pain in the ass to do that, mainly because my paint doesnt want to save in anything other than bmp, and paintshop pro takes forever to load.

Wow, how did I not find this before :D I think I'll make my next map using it. Keep up the good work.

to soulsnipa:

i dont think youre an idiot.
i think youre lazy.
MS PAINT can save in jpg and gif-format, but the result wont be very good. use the CONVERT TO PNG - tool which you can dl in these forums.

One thing that I would really like in the next version would be the ability to maximize the application so there's more room to work. I prefer working in fullscreen anyway.

elephants works in full screen already. And as I said earlier...my paint only has the option to save as bmp. I dont know why thats just how it is lately. It used to save jpg before i formatted.

even if you ave to save it as a bmp temporaryly, you can still use CONVERt TO JPG/PNG.

I don't think windows 98 paint can save as jpg gif or any other type format but bmp

Jesus, will you two shut the [IMAGE] up.

It's up to Mark.jp to decide whether he wants to add the screenshot button, so what's the point in you two arguing.

the point is that adding is not necessary. (Mark.Jp würde seine zeit damit verschwenden). Mark should concentrate on useful things, like better scenery handling. you should be able to edit the scenery after it is already set into the map.

cuz its fun?

Here's Mark.jp's latest update, I didn't realize that he made one until I cruised around his site a little and I figured you guys probably missed it too.

http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/MapMakerPlus/MapMakerPlus_beta.zip

I dont think that Mark.jp would waste time by including a screenshot button, I find that idea very useful indeed. Its just more comfortable then to press Print, import the pic to an applicatiopn of your choice, cut out the maparea and resave it as jpg.

Wow, a new version! :D Too bad no documentation in english :(

yeah google language tools rule the world ^^

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoldatmaps.s58.xrea.com%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

now he can read what has changed ;)

thanks.
but whats with mark?
is he dead or sth?

I think I need a translation of the translation

i love you Mark.jp!

Alright, I've made a map that has scenery galore and I'm running into a bigger problem than before. I don't know if this is a problem with the map maker (and I'm afraid it's not) but if I exceed 500 objects and save the map, when I go to play it only the first 500 sceneries appear and any bullets fired hit the air in front of them.

What do I do now?

I tried MapFile with 1000 scenerys.
but, Soldat.exe can't read this file.
MapMakerPlus can read it.

So,I tried MapFile with 300 scenerys,,
Soldat.exe can read this file..

I can't think scenery limit..

And, I'm making MapMakerPlus beta4...

could you add 360degree variant polygon rotating? like, you can rotate it in any direction, not just in 90degree increments...?

mark use any messanger programs?

> Soulsnipa
Sorry,I don't use it.

> Fangus Deef
I can?t understand your message perfectly..
But, I think that It's a difficult...

mark: could you make the Full screen?

the ability to select polygons, and rotate them in any direction you want, howver far you want. if not, then how about in increments of 45degrees?

> Sprocket
I did it.
So, please wait beta4...

> Fangus Deef
Difficult..

cool..

so, mark.jp, what are you gonna do next?

okay, but what about 45degree thingies? or 90degree?
sprocket: yer siggay: teh wheak.

atleast i don't have a COW as avatar:p

i'd rather watch a cow then that weak wrestling [IMAGE].

look whos talking.. you have a steak as avatar.. what the hell is wrong with you??

I made beta4 on Japan.
So,I am writing readme in English...

you dont get that? i have a cow as one avatar, and beef as the other...you know we the same person, right?

what's new to the beta4?

I don't know if this clears up anything or just makes it that much more confusing.

"2004/11/30 Ver.Beta4
* Being to receive the mail from the American one, it does, but somehow
The limited number of sceneryes seems 500, is. Actually being to try trying, it does, but
As for the scenery which exceeds 500 it seems that is not indicated with the Soldat.
[ New function ]
- The Infinite (the Kagodori) to add to the JetBox, correspondence.
It is that Kagodori which could be drawn up with the | * SJE+.
You cannot use for the JetCheat #9492; * of course.
- Way largest conversion indication is possible.
When it converts | * maximally, because the descriptive territory becomes wide, it becomes some heavy.
Position of the #9492; * camera slips more or less.
- At the time of polygon compilation, the option addition which being automatic, it tries not to attach apex.

[ Specification modification * correction and the like ]
- While compiling way the Compile Map cannot be pushed. (Double pushing prevention)
- The item of the Steps sound one corrects the fact that it is many wastefully.
- When the Delete it does when the Waypoints it is not been selective, the bug correction which becomes strange.
- Way the scenery can be pasted up to only 500.
- The execution time New Map, it corrects the fact that the scenery list is not initialized.
- The GUI the filter modification which is done.
- Improvement of dialogue.
- Other large number."


I didn't actually notice any changes on the mapmaker other than a check box that says "Don't conect vertices." Which doesn't help much because the vertices didn't connect anyways.

Keep up the good work Mark.jp!

P.S. Your page talked a lot about waypoints in the new version, what exactly did you do?

the checkbox prevents polygons from moving during compiling.

Ohh, did they do that in the first place?

yessir...thats why always compile then smooth!

Hey just wondering if you could put a search for scenery that is on the map and then highlights all of scenery with the same name so you can edit it/them if you want.
This probably would be very difficult, but awesome if it could be done.

Hi,, I made beta4 in English.
http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/MapMakerPlus/MapMakerPlus_english.zip

Document is funny..

yay! infinite jets! */friendly ass-smack*

EDIT: file seems to be messed up. anyone else getting this?

let me try it out..

EDIT: it's works fine with me..
mark.jp: you are really gifted.. what's next?





BTW could you set the waypiont limit to 1000 ?

Oh, great update!

But if I can make a request for the next one, please make it so that we can resize and edit scenery that has already been placed!

the full screen is very buggy on 800x600 resolution

got it working, looks great. could you try with the ideas i had a bout rotation? only if you want. (rotating polygons like you rotate scenery, if you forgot)

Huh? You can make maps with unlimited jets using that?!?!?!

Oh, would it be possible to make it so that you can preview what the colors look like on your texture or scenery while in the color chooser?

Fullscreen is good, thanks for putting it in :)

Mark.jp has sneakily released Beta 5
http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/MapMakerPlus/MapMakerPlus_beta.zip

whoa.. *testing*


EDIT: someone post the readme.. i cant download.

The readme is in japanese...I don't think it'll help you much.

i tested beta 5.. i didn't see anything different..

The load button now has a list of the last five loads that you made.

wow...

Nothing spectacular, but it's still an update.

Mark.jp, I noticed a wierd bug that happened when I selected a ton of polygons at once. An error message pops up but you can't close it and you can't save your work on the mapmaker, so you pretty much just have to shut the entire thing down and start over.

I also found another bug, for some reason in the game the berserker powerups keep appearing as healthpacks, and the healthpacks either aren't appearing at all or are appearing much higher than they should.

Why is it that the Japanese always make the best things, but when they try and explain them to us we can't understand what the [IMAGE] they are saying..

Perhaps because they speak Japanese?

> Vijchtidoodah
You have a problem?..
Is the MapMaker Folder in the Soldat Folder..?

Sorry,,this program was compiled by Delphi6 in Japanese..
Maybe,it is a cause.
My friends in japan doesn't have a problem..

No, I can get the program to work fine, I was just pointing out some bugs that you need to fix in the later versions.

Vijchtidoodah, don't be a smartass, I was simply pointing out the irony in this.

Oh, I wasn't trying to be, I was just kidding. I need to start putting smilies in my posts or something...

I made beta6 and beta6 fixed..
I am writing readme.txt and Webpage in English.

So,Please wait..

Thank you mark.jp!

Thank god! You fixed the send back and undo buttons, those really were my only huge problems with the map maker.

what are the new changes?





EDIT: i have the ultimate Feature to add. The ability to lassow polygons.. so we can delete thouse tiny polys that is immpossible to remove.. MARK.JP!! accept my challenge!!

I like it...but it would be useful for many more things than just those tiny polys.

Hmm, I have some sort of problem. I installed the MapMaker in c:/Program Files/Soldat/MapMaker/ and I can't run it. It says that I'm missing a dll file. D3DX81ab.dll.

Edit: Rofl, never mind. I got it to work. Apparently that dll file was from the original Map Maker, which I didn't have.

YAY i got it working by copying all the old Map Maker files into the folder. That is SOOO good Mark.jp!
Oh and maybe compile these files with it next time...
gfx (file directory)Temp (file directory)D3DX81ab and D3DX81abD (.DLL files)

hey mark where did you get the nice windows theme?

where did you d\l beta6, guys?

sprocket, are u an idiot? no, uyou dont have to answer it :P

Sprocket, go directly to his site to do it.

I made Webpage in English..
http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/Eng/MMPlus/
Beta6Fixed..

>Inquisitor
It is not windows theme.
I use 3DCC.

>Unlucky 13
I did.

well done mark, continue your great job!

OK then all is well, but I never saw them in my versions that I d/l'ed :/ Oh but you spelled connect wrong in "Don't 'conect' verticies.

lasso tool ===> YES! please? that would solve so many of my headaches tryin to select the polys behind others, and such.... ugh....

it doesnt dont bother

i meen it doesnt work dont bother

I'm just curius are you just adding new options to this level editor? or can you make new types of land like getting points when you are standing on it or make a zone that you get points from or something?

I made beta9.. today in japan.

but,It must be compiled by Delphi6 English version.
I want a person who has Delphi6 English version..

If there isn't.. I'll contact to Michal Marcinkowski...

hey mark, you have 3 versions delay on your english version of page, could u translate 3 last version histories?

What is in the "options" menu? Is it in Japanese??? I can't read Japanese...

a suggestion - when creating a poly (when u want its verticle to connect to the other poly's verticle) make a sign that its gonna do it when u are going to click the mouse button - for example having the verticle circled or something
plus a choose verticles thing (like in editpro) where u can choose many verticles/polys and drag them where u want instead of alt-clicking on each and every one.
(like in editpro once again) the connect/disconnect verticles tool where u can choose 2, 3, 4... verticles and press connect and they will come into one spot (when u do the connect thing i think it would be proper, having them in a "group" so if u are draging one of those verticles, the other verticles will drag after it)
grouping tool - by choosing verticles and grouping them, u will have this - when u drag one of the verticles from the group, the other verticles will drag after it, staying in the same realation in distance to all the other verticles. with this tool a number group tool would be good, too - like u did with the polys, and having a find group by number (like "select by num")

i realize that u r not superman and u will not accomplish all that :D but im just throwing ideas at u which u might or might not consider doing.

btw: i luv the paint brush tool :D

I've found a few very annoying bugs:

1) Frequently, when I make a new polygon, the mapmaker randomly colors one vertice red. It doesn't show up in the editing boxes on the right, but it usually carries over from one polygon to the next if I continue to make them without fixing the problem.
2) The compiler has sped up significantly from past versions, but only when you don't have any spawn points on the map. Otherwise, it's just as slow as before.
3) When zoomed in, selecting and trying to move individual vertices is incredibly tough. Sometimes I'll click and the wrong vertice will move, and other times the entire polygon will move.
4) After compiling, the background becomes enormous so that any shading that I had is now spaced out so far that you can't tell that it's there at all. What would be very nice, is the ability to resize the backround manually.

5) When I copy and paste a polygon, the new one usually appears so far away from the original that I have to zoom all the way out just to find it.
6) Whenever I add a new polygon to the map, I have to fix the texture for every single polygon all over again instead of having the new polygon fit into the already existing pattern.
7) The sticky vertices option rarely works and when it does, it leaves visible gaps.
8) I get random ???????? error messages every once in a while, the frequency that I recieve them accelerates until clicking on any polygon prompts it to mess up on me and the compiler stops working.
9) When I try to put scenery that's behind everything on top of scenery that's in front of everything, it just goes in front anyway.

And here are some much needed additions that still haven't been put into the editor:
1) The ability to click and drag to select multiple polygons at once.
2) Editing existing scenery. I would still love to be able to move and reshape scenery after I have placed it down.

If you could fix and add what is needed, this could be the best map editor ever. But it is still lacking in so many aspects. Thanks for all of your effort into this project, I hope you continue to work on it.

where can you d\l v.9?

I wouldn't download it yet considering the fact that there aren't any significant improvements and those bugs really get in the way, but it can be found on his main site (look on the first post).

He made a new version (1.1) that has an incredibly long readme. Unfortunately, I can't read japanese and the only differences in the program that I can see are different fonts in the options tab and a new Take Screenshot button.

what? in his page you can only dl beta6 fixed..


please host it..

*Sigh* For future reference, go to his site (Here), click on MapMakerPlus in the left side, and the latest download is always at the top of the page.
Here is the download: MapMakerPlus Latest Version

thanks..

GREATT!!!

Mark, it really helps if you tell us when you make an update...

By the way, in the options menu, what do the 'Relate PMS' and 'Release' buttons do?

OMG, YES, you have to tell us when there's a new version!! I love you!!

'Relate PMS' makes pms files open automatically in Map Maker Plus when you double click them.
'Release' undoes the relate thing.

If this is as good as ppl tell Ur my hero

Im still confused on where to put the downloaded files in!

Unzip them to your main folder.

Edit: 1.3 is out...the only difference seems to be that it warns you to save before you close.

please an english version

Great prog :D! I love that we can see how many polygons, sceneries and waypoints we put. I also love that we can change to full screen.

MARK: 100%

Why doesn't it work good in windows xp for me?

You prolly set it up in the wrong spot, is it in your Soldat folder? I'm using XP and it works just fine. Aside from putting it in the wrong spot, I have no clue..

Hey Mark, if you still need somebody to compile MapMakerPlus, I can.

awesome!

this is THE absolutely best mapmaker, i've created all my last maps with it and the many extra functions and feauters really helped me.
instead of "send polygon back" make "change polygon number" or something like that so u can enter a number your own so its better calculatable how it will effect the map. maybe make a free scenery stretching option so u can first stretch the scenery in width and then in height. when u select width and height the scenery is always merged into a square. that sux ;Q

Ooh...version 1.4 is out now.

Edit: I can't tell what's different, but I do know that I STILL CAN'T EDIT SCENERY.

can't anyone please make an english version?

Umm, it is in English...

Or did you mean the readme?

There's a bug in the buttons...When using the map fullscrren/windowed , compile, undo and change texture buttons don't show to me in 800x600...

hey guys, i just tried 1.4 and the i still cant use scenerys and textures...
and there comes a message because the texture banana.bmp
could you help me?

Ps: The mapmaker is great!

hell i cant use 1.4!!
help ma

Mmm... looks like the new version still have a lot of problems in. I tried it and it doesn'T work well

It looks like it has a lot of potential, especially the shading effect, but for me it keeps saying that a banana.bmp scenery is missing (when I never had such a sprite in the first place o.O') and when I load a map, it can never load the scenery or texture.

i mean: can someone compile the program with an english version of delphi, cuz this will work!!

I could, but I'd need Mark's source code -.-

quote:Originally posted by Keron CystIt looks like it has a lot of potential, especially the shading effect, but for me it keeps saying that a banana.bmp scenery is missing (when I never had such a sprite in the first place o.O') and when I load a map, it can never load the scenery or texture.


If you dont have banana.bmp in your textures folder, you should, because its a default soldat texture ._.

[IMAGE]
Right click, save as.

and marky boy is dead, right? heul!

hmm looks like ;P *tease*

bad, because he makes much features wich are very nice, ( ok elephant hunter too...)

@Inquisitor
kann dich ja verstehen ;) Taschentuch?

heyhey! english only?

i luv this mapmaker

Is it openSource?

nope. ;d

where is mark.jp?

Oh :'(

HHH,
in japan? :s :d

Newbefromhildesheim,
your mother died? im so sorry.

I am really new to map modding but can they make a fix or something so that you can load multiple textures? So I can have asteroids while still having textures for floating compounds.(Spaceships)

its not bug its a feature ;p

lol

I find the map maker a lil to complicated 4 me. but I suck at mapping so ill stay far away from NAY map makers :P

isn't it about time that JAP takes a visit? is he dead of somehing?

if it dosnt work its most likely because you need to have the folder soldat\mapmaker :D
This new version 1.4 I would say is by far the best map maker right now

Very good. Although people might be confused as where to get the finished instead of beta. So here are instructions:
Click on the website - http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/
On the left side click Map Maker Plus under programs.
Download 1.4 by clicking on the link on the top of the page
:D
I love the fix all option if you click Fix with no polys selected.

i have these suggestions for the next version:

-a small text field where you can enter how many times the selection should be pasted, default is 1. this would make it very easy to create jumppads, teleporters and abomb polygons. i need like 1 minute for creating a teleport poly because i paste the same poly 100 times about itself, this should be shorter.
-when u press "sendback" u should be able to set a number yourself that the poly is assigned to.

poor maniac ;d

i must say that mapmakerplus was well writen but i do have one prob, sometimes when i put two pieces together they look fine but as soon as i compile it they get moved a bit, just enough to ruin the effect i work on, is there anyway to counter that?

they dont get moved. Its the background adjusting to the size of the map.

The background is always a square with a fix edge distance to the two polys which are the farthest on the left and right side. So if you add polygons on the sides or resize one of the outer polys, the background-size will be readjusted during compiling.

This porgram will just about be renderred obselete once a fully functioning version polyworks is released.

quote:Originally posted by grand_diablothey dont get moved. Its the background adjusting to the size of the map.

The background is always a square with a fix edge distance to the two polys which are the farthest on the left and right side. So if you add polygons on the sides or resize one of the outer polys, the background-size will be readjusted during compiling.


I dont know what, if any, changes were made to the compile method compared to the original, but in MM's one, the polygons do get moved:

[code] for i:= 1 to Map.PolyCount do
begin
{fix perps}
CalcPerps(i);

Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].X + abs(Xl);
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].X + abs(Xl);
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].X + abs(Xl);
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].Y + abs(Yn);
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].Y + abs(Yn);
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].Y + abs(Yn);
end;

{snip}

for i:= 1 to Map.PolyCount do
begin
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].X - HalfLengthX;
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].X - HalfLengthX;
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].X:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].X - HalfLengthX;
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[1].Y - HalfLengthY;
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[2].Y - HalfLengthY;
Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].Y:= Map.Polys[i].Vertices[3].Y - HalfLengthY;
end;
[/code]

yes, you're right, the background does get resized, but the poly's get moved as well (if I interpret correctly, they are moved so the map is centered in terms of the coordinates of the polys) It is possible, that due to internal roundoff errors (since computers are finite state machines after all, and representing most numbers exactly is impossible), there may be slight differences in some polys.

I do believe Anna said that she had fixed that in Polyworks, but I'm not sure.

She re-wrote the whole thing so i don't think this is in polyworks.

That's what I meant when I said fixed, she came up with a better method than the one MM used so hers is different from this one.

1.5 is out NOW!!!! :D

Someone get ahold of MarkJp so he can post when he updates stuff here :P

edit
As well as what the changes were since i cant read japanese :(

Download link
http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/dl/dl.cgi?MapMakerPlus.zip


edit

Thanks :D

1.5 changelog:

- MMP source code is released for free: http://soldatmaps.s58.xrea.com/MapMakerPlus/src/index.shtml
- Added option to show the info/edit sidebar on the left side
- Added option to choose style of tabs in the info/edit sidebar
- Added if map description is longer than 38 characters, you will be warned when saving
- Added information about used tool at the bottom of the screen
- Changed "Options" window is displayed directly under the "Options" button
- Fixed access violation bug when pressing "Undo" button during polygon creation
- Fixed it's not longer posible to press "Create" snd "Delete" buttons simultaneously it the Scenery tab
- Fixed English spelling
- Other small improvements in the code

Blah Blah
I can't load any map after compile -.-

Its a bit complicated, but i'm getting the hang of it i guess.