Hey i'm not a camper... OK sometimes but veeeeery rarely and i've got a question why don't U like campers so much. It's just a way of playing. They don't break any rules, except the moral ones of U all. I suppose it is right that most of them don't play too well, so why not just "OWN" them except starting some anti-camper crusade. If you tolerate homos then tolerate campers too(i don't tolerate homos, but what the hell).

Don't tolerate them because:

Cant get near them to 'own' them.
Can't see them to own them because they can see further
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I also don't like them because they must be bored stiff sitting and waiting and picking off people.

Hmmm... U get killed once... then u learn and always find a way to kill the guy sitting in the bushes.
About the last thing.. you're right.. they indeed must be bored. Some people like to make wool hats - that's boring too, other even work - that's ultra boring, but hey : if people wanna get bored - let them - it's their miserable life :D

I have no problem with campers, because it's not breaking the rules and *usually* I beat them easily.

i dont really give a [IMAGE]ing.

It's annoying when they camp your only spawn points while their team mate comes in close to the spawn points and spawnkill for more than half of the match. I hate it when there is more than one camper. I hate tunnel campers. Tunnel camping is very, very lame. Two campers and only two ways of getting in are extremely annoying.

Seriously...if you're having trouble getting picked off by the same camper over and over, that's your fault. Sometimes you get shot down, but you come right back and blow the crap out of them. It's a part of the game, and I'd much rather prefer a camper than some idiot running around with a barrett claiming to be the best. Long story short...campers=easy targets.

Camping is way of playing. It's not bad since you dont sit the whole round inna same place y'know.

"Good Camping" is like a this:
You ran in a somewhere and pass there.
You crouch and wait opponent come to the view, aim & shoot.
Run to the e.base.
Try to take a flag.
If that wasn´t succesful, repeat in another place.
It's a tactic :)

Like the ancient Greeks thought that long range weapons were the way of a coward, I feel the same. But still, it's not as pathetic as when someone barret assaults.

The way I beat a camper is to wait for him to take a shot, often at a teammate, then I move quickly in for the kill before he can fire his next shot.

I don't have a problem with campers. If someone is dumb enough to not see a camper then they deserve to be killed by them.

It's like guerilla warfare. Take a shot, hide, and then repeat. It's more strategy to the original going in and doing that all-out rambo stuff. Makes the game more suspenseful because not everyone is just there in front of you.

i like campers, i like them because they piss off whiny asshats. the person isnt even moving, all the more easier to kill.

I jsut get mad when they do it at the wrong time... if its for tactical reasons is cool and fun to get past but if you do it because you jsut feel like it... it gets a bit old when its a 4v4 and there is 2 campers on both teams...

You say that it doesn't bother you, and you give all of these reasons why it's part of the game, but that all changes when you're in-game.

I must admit that spammer-campers are indeed very annoying. And much less immoral than the usuall camper. Still it is not banned and if You don't like it.. go tell Your mom

I hate just that if I can't run through a place for 9999 times :(

I hate campers only when they're on my team and they don't help defend the flag or get the other flag, they just sit there congratulating themselves on a high kill to death ratio.

But if they actually help out, I have no problem whatsoever.

I love them because I always get 'um with the M79. They never think I can hit them, lol. When I camp, (for laughs) I get yelled at and stuff cause people can't kill me, lol. It's funny as hell!

I used to be a good camper... then i just stopped for no reason... maybe I should start camping on kampf again...

yeah i have nothing against campers, it is all part of the game. It is frustrating that they play like little girls, but yeah.... its a game.

quote:Originally posted by FliesLikeABrickyeah i have nothing against campers, it is all part of the game. It is frustrating that they play like little girls, but yeah.... its a game.

Well said. I agree ;-)

in any game campers suckkk!!

campers / snipers..

you just sit there aiming at one spot waiting for someone to walk past..

ooh what skill..

or you hide somewhere and wait for someone to walk past..

When i play a game i wanna fight you ladys out in the open..

cuz its lame in a game like Counterstrike or something where theres a round..and you are just walking around and
A. some lamer is hiding and waits for you to walk past..

i dont really mind this aslong as you MOVE after getting one kill..

ww2 games where [IMAGE]ers just sit in one crucial spot with an MG or something and just spray anything that moves..

and get maby 10-20 kills before someone finaly popps your ass..

well thats just lame..

grow some balls and come out and play in the open with everyone else..

I don't mind campers, since most of them are noobs.

But I get frustrated when an experienced player camps.

But then again...I have no problem with snipers camping, thats what snipers do!

People complain about people using Barrett as an assault rifle, and people running up right next to you to shoot barrett, yet you ALSO whine about people sitting back and sniping.

Contradiction? I think yes.

Anyway, providing most campers are noobs, they usually sit/stand/lie still in the same area. I, on the other hand, are flying, runnig, jumping all around them, which makes it easier to project my trajctory and arc for my guns because I'm the only one moving, not both of us.

camping is part of soldat, saying it`s lame isnt going to stop campers.
Just accept it as something that`s part of soldat which isn`t likely to change.

I hate campers that are on your team in a CTF and sit back with a barret. They snipe some guy near the base and while their reloading, some other enemy runs past and the camper doesn't even bother to stop him. He just sits there are waits till the gun's reloaded and then kills another guy.

Wait, jello, didn't I just say something almost exactly like that?

You see that's why I like my peppering technique I got it down and everything. I kill the dude and then hop back a screen behind a hill or something and then when his buddy comes around POW! Then the occassional grenade/knife for the third guy. All in a day's work.

/me salutes

campers are for team games, so no bother there.
its when they come into ffa that i get pissed (sometimes)

i dont have a problem with campers

at all

whatsoever

my style of playing soldat is rush blam bang dead...ya get the idea?
i run over, kill, get killed, injure, or sometimes totally miss campers all the time. but i dont care because i am constantly moving. I am rushing fowars fast enough (without cheating, thank you) to get within range of a sniper before he can get a shot off so a have a godd chance of taking him down.
i just move on. i hardly even notice campers.

what i dont understand is why people like you dont complain about people like me?

"[IMAGE]ing rushers keep fragging me, never stop and make strategic decisions (much) etc."

if you complain about one style of gaming, yet you stick to another style yourself you are a hippocrite.

also if i am having a problem attacking a heavily guarded position i wait untill some of my teammates come along and we all rush thoes [IMAGE]s together! there are many tactics that can out-play campers and IMO the strategy of camping isnt a very affective one.

Barrett assaulters (barretards) are more [IMAGE]ing sniper weapon, not an assault weapon.

And it's been [IMAGE]ing nerfed.

Stop swearing. We get your point without it too.

Almost every post i look got swearing... :G

Take killing campers as a challenge...
take killing barretards as a challenge...
Take being a camper as a challenge...
Take using the barret as an assault rifle as a challenge...

Have fun.

quote:Quoting the topic title:

Why don;t U like compers?

Campers don't bother me. Compers do, however. Those guys really tick me off. I wish they'd all leave.

I'd like to see the Barret made into a prone position only weapon somewhat akin to the LAW. Rushing with a sniper rifle just doesn't make any sense to me "realistically," and I think it'd help dampen a lot of the complaints about it. Campers could still camp, but they'd be sitting ducks after they get their one shot in.

That's not a bad idea, actually. The only problem is that it would be a camping only weapon, but who ever heard of anyone firing a sniper rifle with near perfect accuracy while jumping through the air ? I like it, but it should also include crouching.

Well, I don't have any problems with campers,it's a tactic, I just hate barret campers. The Barret is a cheap enough weapon, useful for hiding in the bushes, not to mention if you miss 1 shot with the Barret, you are screwed, but when you lie in wait, with the most powerful gun in the game, that's really unchivalrous.

The barret is part of the game. Look at any FPS. Almost every shooter has a sniper rifle. If the sniper rifle was taken out, then people would eventually be pissed. And if you don't like people who run through the air wit barrets, counter them with autos. Or be prepared. Barrets aren't necissarily only meant for camping in one spot. Thats why bink is there. Sometimes people may just be moving to another spot, and you just happen to be there. They're not going to just find a spot and shoot. They'll likely shoot whoever they see.

^Absolutely, and think of how many people would never have gotten hooked on this game if they didn't have the ease of the barret to rely on while they were learning how to play.

yes, very good point Vijchtidoodah...

the idea that you can only use barret prone or crouched is i think a very good one, proper sniper specialists will form, and it will be a much more tacticall game.

also whoever said that thing about perfect accuracy in the air with the barret is dead right.

i mean come on!

i have an idea, why not take the crosshair and the sniper line away from teh barret if the person is either standing or in the air?

yea yea! then ppl can still use the gun but be buggered if they can use it effectivly as an assult weapon!

then the sniperline and crosshair comes back when theyre crouched or prone?

hey soulds like a pretty good idea (IMO)...this would eliminate the use of the barret as an assult weapon whilst still keeping it for it's main purpose and that is long range defence!

people wouldnt be so quick to rush fowards to say the middle of the map then sit there and pop anyone who comes near, because its a risk moving around with the gun! if ya get ma drift...

oh and please tell me if anyone else has suggested this idea coz I CLAME IT!! WOO COPYRIGHT!!!

Camping is a tactic like any other. Yes, it annoys me whenever I'm killed, regardless if the person was running around with a barret or camping, but that does not make it honorable to complain when you die. That chivalric code even applies if you are killed by a hacker, a simple vote kick and stating why you are initiating the kick will suffice.

Congratulating yourself for a high score isn't appropriate either. Words like "Pwned" or "owned" tell me that person must not be very confident. Okay, so you killed a soldat... everyone can.

Now back to the folks who are bothered to come in the forums and annoy us. I'd like to say, "better luck next time."

camping is a last resort/cheap move to win

I admit, I'm a mad camper. BUT, I am no barretard. O, HELL NO. I use the barret and the socom when camping and it's really funny when i miss a shot and the other guy thinks hes about to kill me bur i pull out the socom and kick his ass. I am also no useless camper. I defend the flag in CTF. If it gets captured i pursue it. NOW WHAT THE HELL ARE PEOPLE THINKING WHEN THEY CALL ME A NOOB CAMPER! I am helping defend my teams flag, and I kick ass at it. In a way, I'm more useful than the person that is calling me a n00b camper because im actually helping my team and not whining between spawns then running straigh into my sniper fire again. moron. Generally, I get less kills camping than assaulting with my steyr, so if you want me to be more annoying, ask me to stop camping and ill pwn your whole team. I camp because i think its fun and helpful to my team.

I've never had problems with campers. By being one, I know all the tricks. What i don't understand is how some people hate campers for using the barret how it was MEANT to be used. Its especially funny when barretards complain about campers.

Because there cheap ass one hit killers, and they think they are God's by using three buttons as Kazuki would say, and just stay in one spot and shoot, how is this fun? and entertaining? Run and and throw gernades and blow them away man.

does it really matter? why should you care about how entertainig it is to the camper?

just go play some [IMAGE]ing soldat.

normally I fly and do aerial attacks, so it's pretty hard for them to kill me. so I got no beef against them.

Lumpy Ferret: Suck it up man. If you aren't good enough to kill or spot a camper, then they have every right to take you out.

That aside...

I'm a pretty good camper/sniper, especially in the Lagrange area, because it has tons of cover. There have been several times were people walk right by me while I'm reloading my Barrett, and can't see me. That's why you people hate snipers, you're too dumb to find us.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant... That's why you people hate snipers, you're too dumb to find us.

True :-P Be optimistic, anti-campers, and think, "Now how on earth did I miss that guy? He was a foot in front of me!" X-D

Campers.. the name made up because 'sniper' didn't sound offensive enough.

Snipers are commonplace IRL wars. Do you suppose the soldiers ran out like whiny [IMAGE] claiming it was unfair? no. They adapted their tactics.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the water.

The presence of snipers has swung the results of many a war, perhaps why that's why people resent it. Because it is an effective tactic, and they cannot think of a way around it other than to throw their toys out of the pram and cry cheat.

It takes more skill to breathe than to camp....

campers take up player space in a server...

if you're not going for the flag then leave.

that's my opinion in ctf mode at least.

I'm kind of sitting on the fence at the moment. Normally, I would say as above- snipers are OK.. but this game is not 3d, it's 2d- and that's where the problem is.

I was playing an infiltration game against three other players- with barrets. All 3 were camping on the hillside and as it's 2d there's no chance of spotting them and getting them x0 I didn't complain though, I kept trying.. got one objective back to the base...still lost.

I mean, if they take away the option to shoot off-screen with the barrett, then it would be fine. People could camp/snipe/hide in the bushes etc., shooting you would give away their position so it's not really a permanent issue.

-->The best thing to use against snipers, is more snipers. ;d

Although, this is a little tricky when their barrett reloads almost instantly (a result of some sort of hack?)

...I'm fine with one or two "compers", it's just when the server gets filled with them that I'm annoyed.

campers are easy take a mp5 or a knife and kill-em-all. they usually miss and then there is no problem to finish em.

Just use your jet boots and move vertically a lot; it's relatively difficult for just about anyone to track someone moving up or falling down ;-) And that goes double for "compers" who use Barrets, unless they've been playing Soldat too much :-P

well i'm not a camper myself but if you can't handle campers hen you suck and you can't handle the truth so just shut up and play

I'm fairly sure that nobody here has said that they can't handle campers, they're just really annoying.

Well, tough [IMAGE].

Thank you for your thoughtful response, tyrant.

Now, I think that the barret should be made so that you can't reload if you're being shot at.

what makes me mad is that you can't do much to stop your death; whether you live or not depends entirely on the sniper and his accuracy.

You're right, it's a legitimate strategy. In my opinion, it's allright to camp, but not too much. Example, if you camp in that same spot the whole game (and not die, kudos to you) it's too much. But if you move around half the time, as well as camp, i guess it's okay.

You just can't say that the snipers in real life are common. War is not about fun... Believe it or not. Soldat on the other hand is about fun... And everybody wants fun so don't allow ppl to ruin the fun of others for their fun.

I don't like them, but I can deal with them, as long as I dodge the shot, then all they can do is A) Sit there, and say " Oh [IMAGE]!" B) Run. C) "Let me live"(One actually said it to me). D) Pull out a LAW, but I usually seem to blow them to pieces before they can aim it.

quote:Originally posted by Psykerwhat makes me mad is that you can't do much to stop your death; whether you live or not depends entirely on the sniper and his accuracy.

Your jet boots are a great variable. All projectiles hate gravity, and I haven't seen too many people with, for example, machine guns who fire at me and can strike almost every bullet; in fact, I don't worry since most of their bullets are off because they aren't overshooting enough due to the gravity (I'm only a n00b to the forums, not Soldat itself)...

I think that campers are just annyoing.
it`s annyoing bcuz u getting killed by an "afraid" player.
and that just suck, its like not doing nothing, just hide and ur not having real fun whil camping.
u`ll get less points\kills [how ever u want].

I suggest, dont camp.

Jesus. Look at these names gamers can create. N00b, camper, comper, barretards...Christ. I almost got kicked for defending the blue flag and they said I was camping. WTF? What is this world coming to? It's like people hate it when you start thinking. They don't like what you do, they call you those names. Especially n00b, and barretard. That is really retarded. Why can't I play one game where some idiot opens his fat mouth and starts the toddler game of name calling? When can we setup a fortified perimeter around an area without being called camper or comper, what the hell is the difference? Look at any army in the world. When do they not defend something? I asked the dude who wanted to kick me why I was being kicked for defending. He said there was fine line between camping and defending. He said I haven't played the game long enough to understand. WTF!!! That ticked me off. What the hell is the difference between camping and defending? I've been playing for 8 months. There is no damn difference. I stuck to the flag and fought and defended to the best of my ability. And I was hated for it. Then I realized it. When you are playing and the other guy is getting ticked, you know you are doing real good. The cowards and [IMAGE]slaps will throw names out on you, but who cares. They will whine like kids, probably are, who cares? When they are frustrated you know you are on the right path. I wouldn't be saying all this if these guys actually grew up. It's not like WWII Allied soldiers threw names at defending Germans in the battlefields. No, they shot back and dealt with it. Wish half of these players all look at themselves and mature a little bit.

I only refer to people crouching/in prone state as "campers" if they're not carrying a Barrett or Ruger. And ja, they're the ones who haven't been playing Soldat long enough... or too much :-P