http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1438002,00.html

Well done Harry!

If he wore a Stalin costume and communist flag wrapped round his shoulders would you care? Of course you wouldn't, despite the fact as many russians were killed by Stalin in The Purges, as Jews killed by Hitler in WW2. You are Israeli, not British, don't get involved in our politics.

P.S. [insert another long and pointless debate here]

[Sarcasm]I doubt that Ripsta knows anything at all about the UK, hes Israeli, this is just an expression of UK hating.[/sarcasm]

Jeez, what's next? id software sued for making several games with Nazis in them?

Edit: Oh I'm sorry, I'm only 14 so my opinion doesn't count.

WTF dudes, would you know if someone were wearing Stalin's costumes? Of course no, because there is nothing that symbolizes his ideology because he did whatever he wanted. He created a dictatorship under socialist flag. You can hardly say he is communist when he did all efforts to exterminate real communists like Trotsky.
And instead of confirming the atrocity of his act, you attack Ripsta and try patheticly to take this as normal. You are insane

quote:Originally posted by flabIf he wore a Stalin costume and communist flag wrapped round his shoulders would you care? Of course you wouldn't, despite the fact as many russians were killed by Stalin in The Purges, as Jews killed by Hitler in WW2. You are Israeli, not British, don't get involved in our politics.

P.S. [insert another long and pointless debate here]


I'm not British but I can see what he did was beyond stupid. It's a fact, and it's not getting involved in your politics. That's the beauty of humanity...we can point out stupid people regardless of nationality or origin. So no more of the "You are Israeli, don't get involved" b.s., mmmkay?

How do you know what my opinion is?

The British newspaper wrote a long article about it and SAT1 bothered to screen an article in their morning news.

I don't care about British politics; I don't care about Prince Harry. Personally, he could have worn both Stalin and Hitler's symbols and I still wouldn't care. You make too much of yourselves and misinterpret my interests.

My question is: Does it bother you that he wore a Nazi symbol?

i think this is a fake ;o

quote:Originally posted by IDF-RIPstaPersonally, he could have worn both Stalin and Hitler's symbols and I still wouldn't care.
Yes, because posting a thread about it shows that you don't care.

quote:Originally posted by SuperKilli think this is a fake ;o


You think too soon.

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quote:Originally posted by pallocoWTF dudes, would you know if someone were wearing Stalin's costumes? Of course no, because there is nothing that symbolizes his ideology because he did whatever he wanted. He created a dictatorship under socialist flag. You can hardly say he is communist when he did all efforts to exterminate real communists like Trotsky.
And instead of confirming the atrocity of his act, you attack Ripsta and try patheticly to take this as normal. You are insane

Google for a communist army uniform, not hard to find, they are grey. If you don't know what the socialist flag is ... meh. And he had to kill 6 million russians to find Trotsky? Who in fact was murdered when he was abroad in South America (an ice pick between his eyes i believe).

Geo. It's not a matter of "you're israeli/american/twat .. go away" It's a matter that you don't really understand. These people are under the media limelight 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Whatever Harry wore to that fancy dress party the press would have a field day. Think of one fancy dress costume which he could have worn which wouldnt offend anybody or the press wouldnt start rumours about him.

And RIPsta, no it doesn't bother me he wore a swastica, it bothers me that you started a thread and then say you don't care about it. If you don't care why open your mouth in the first place?

quote:Originally posted by The Geologistquote:Originally posted by SuperKilli think this is a fake ;o


You think too soon.

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sorry, my bad. i remembered some .co.uk news pranks lately.

well i got no opinion here, since i dont give a damn about prince harold potter.

Because I find your offensive remarks amusing.

You say that anything he would have worn that day would have been a headlight for the media?
So he went and bought an SS uniform... yes... very convincing and logical.

I bet he thought to himself "Hmmm... I know people will criticize my clothes, so let's give them something worthwhile... but what? I know! An SS uniform!".

He's a bit of a dumbass prick in general, needless to say. Not alot of respect for the monarchy from anyone these days.

Hehe, amusing.

Latest news : Prince Harry decided to visit Auschwitz. :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1389624,00.html

"My question is: Does it bother you that he wore a Nazi symbol?"

Id be bothered by pretty much any1 wearing a nazisymbol tbh.
I make a habit of tearing down small neonazi stickers on lampposts etcetera.
Still, I dont think that the bonnie prince is a nazi, hes just an inconsiderate fool. Im more worried about the apparent growth of neonazis who actually makes a statement by wearing the symbol.

You opened the thread because you knew what my remarks were going to be to begin with? You can see into the future?

And Chak, I know many people who respect the Monarchy, maybe not as many as in "the Good 'Ol Days" but there are still plenty about, you just have to look in the right Tory-only clubs ;)

ROFL flab, you had no even read my post, just random words

quote:Originally posted by pallocoWTF dudes, would you know if someone were wearing Stalin's costumes? Of course no, because there is nothing that symbolizes his ideology because he did whatever he wanted. He created a dictatorship under socialist flag. You can hardly say he is communist when he did all efforts to exterminate real communists like Trotsky.
And instead of confirming the atrocity of his act, you attack Ripsta and try patheticly to take this as normal. You are insane


WTF dudes, would you know if someone were wearing Stalin's costumes?
Yes i would. Like i said, the sterotype is a Grey Army Uniform, go google it.

Of course no, because there is nothing that symbolizes his ideology because he did whatever he wanted.
Like kill millions of russians

He created a dictatorship under socialist flag. You can hardly say he is communist when he did all efforts to exterminate real communists like Trotsky.
He was a communist, which has tones of socialism. (I think you have these two terms confused - Many people say socialism is a utopian ideology and cannot be put in practice, the closest attempt so far has been communism.)
He didnt spend all his time attemtping to assasinate Trotsky. (If he did, his 5-year-plans for industrialisation and like would never have been completed) Trotsky had some good ideas, Stalin saw him as a threat. They were both equal as communists, however I tend to favour Trotsky's socialist ideas as Stalin has taken his from various people (Trotsky included)

And instead of confirming the atrocity of his act, you attack Ripsta and try patheticly to take this as normal.
I compared the millions of russians killed, to millions of jews killed. you are suggesting that russians arent as important as the jews?

You are insane
coming from you ... i'll take that as a complement :D

Just random words now pallaco? lets see what [IMAGE] you reply with.

(For the record, I'm no socialist, I just happen to know what i'm talking about (mostly, my memory's a bit sketchy on some socialist issues), unlike some people. Sorry RIPsta for palloco attacking me yet again and screwing up your thread.)

"WTF dudes, would you know if someone were wearing Stalin's costumes?
-Yes i would. Like i said, the sterotype is a Grey Army Uniform, go google it."
An stereotype of soviet army is not Stalin's costumes.

"Of course no, because there is nothing that symbolizes his ideology because he did whatever he wanted.
-Like kill millions of russians"
What do you mean? That killing russians is an ideology you can simbolize with army clothes?

"He created a dictatorship under socialist flag. You can hardly say he is communist when he did all efforts to exterminate real communists like Trotsky.
-He was a communist, which has tones of socialism. (I think you have these two terms confused - Many people say socialism is a utopian ideology and cannot be put in practice, the closest attempt so far has been communism.)"
It is the contrary, communism is worldwide, socialism not. Simply look what USSR mean. And are you trying to tell me that socialism is killing 10 million ukranians? Because that is what he did.

"He didnt spend all his time attemtping to assasinate Trotsky. (If he did, his 5-year-plans for industrialisation and like would never have been completed) Trotsky had some good ideas, Stalin saw him as a threat. They were both equal as communists, however I tend to favour Trotsky's socialist ideas as Stalin has taken his from various people (Trotsky included)"
I said like Trotsky, NOT only trotsky.

"And instead of confirming the atrocity of his act, you attack Ripsta and try patheticly to take this as normal.
-I compared the millions of russians killed, to millions of jews killed. you are suggesting that russians arent as important as the jews?"
No, you did not compared. look ur words:"Of course you wouldn't, " That is an afirmation, that is offensive, you cant know what he thinks. And as I said that is not a valid comparison because
Nazi ideology consisted in killing jews,("and communist flag ") communism does not consist in killians russians (ehem, Stalin killed less Russians than other etnias like Ukranians)

"Sorry RIPsta for palloco attacking me yet again and screwing up your thread.)"
Actaully you were the one attacking Ripsta as I said.

i tried to refrain from posting, but i couldnt: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. when i have more time i will explain why, now i go play soldat.

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Tell me what you see.

b) I was agreeing with you, with a comment i made. He could do whatever he wanted, that included the killing of millions of russians.

c) Socialism is an ideology. Communism is a variation which stems from this. (If you look at Socialism as a great oak tree ... thats how many branches of socialism there are.) If you think that the difference between Socialism and Communism is the views on internationalism, then you are very much mistaken. Lets try the basic way, socialism is a utopia (an ideal world (for some at least)). There is no way it can be put into practice. Most socialists say that there has not been a socialist state in this world yet. However they do say the closest we have come to one is the Soviet Union, which was communist. Communism is a branch of socialism, which tries to put the ideals into practise. There are then branches of international and non-international socialism. (This is where my memory fades a little) I believe Stalin was in favour of "socialism in one country". You cannot say the only difference is that "socialism is in one country and communism expands" as different leaders have different views, some follow international socialism, some "socialism in one country".

d) Trotsky is pretty irrelevant in this. The Purges wernt just to kill people like Trosky, but to show Stalin had power and control

e) Your quote of me has no relevance. The part that compares them is: "despite the fact as many russians were killed by Stalin in The Purges, as Jews killed by Hitler in WW2." Also finally you got something right (woo!), Nazism does incorparte anti-semtism into it's ideology, but then you seem to miss my point. I only mentioned "communist flag" as a symbol, The Purges was a personal attack from Stalin on Russians/Ukrainians and other soviet races, not a communist attack at all (maybe you got something else correct but misunderstood me)

f) Yes, i may have attacked RIPsta slightly (which was unintentional), but you were quicker to mis-read my post and attack me

g) i don't see you replying about that one :D

(Again, my memory is rather sketchy of Socialism, if i'm really that wrong, someone (apart from palloco) correct me :) )

Oh my sweet mother[IMAGE]tards. This does not need to happen!

thats rich coming from someone who was the foundation to the anti "barretard" movement

Forget history, who needs it.

Don't get smart flab, it don't work. Lets please just not make this yet another inflated political/religious/some-other-sensitive-subject debate with insults thrown in.

It'd be alright if everyone didn't find the need to correct each other in such a rude way. "omg you're so [IMAGE]ing stupid to believe that. This is how it is..." ..ad infinitum.

That's the trouble with beef on the net.
You can't just meet the guy, beat each other up and then go have a beer.

I wonder why neo-nazis are growing in popularity...
Does anyone know more about it?

They've probably been attratcted because of the threat of Terrorism (i know it's not jewish terrorism before people start with "nazi's are against jews"), but in the UK the British National Party (BNP - about as far right as you get in mainstream politics) jumped on the chance to use immigration to attract support. They said things like "Mr X was raped by Mr Y. Mr Y was an illeagal immigrant. If Mr Y wasnt allowed in then we would have less terroists and rapists" Or somthing like that. I know its not exactly neo-nazism, but it's along the same lines.

Oh and i don't think the BNP did so well in those elections :) But UKIP (UK Independence Party) did do quite well in the European elections, but they are just far right members of the Conservative Party, so I wouldnt exactly cal that neo-nazism :)

Not to sure RIPsta.
Mostly its racist motives, the ethnic motives doesnt seem so common, the antisemite or anti"gypsie"/rom tendencies seem to be more cause of tradition. In sweden, its more focused on homosexuals and colored people as well as left wing voters/activists.
Also, there seem to be a fad for the viking culture (whom were violent from times to times, but, not more racist than the average human in those days I guess).
Of course there are the odd conspiracy rumours about the jewish world domination thingie (history repeating itself), but, I think that kind of [IMAGE] is reserved for those who really are in the neonazi crew for more than the simple reasons of identity, violence and frustration.

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forgot to add that the arabs are taking quite a beating, supposedly because they are detrimental to the "pure swedish culture" (quite laughable since there is pretty much no such thing as a pure swedish culture clearly set apart from the rest of europe, we remain heavily influenced by christianity, germans, france, english and whatnot)
/Mariachi

......who cares about prince &@#^in harry..... like wtf has this topic got to do with us, if you really care or something, then stop playing soldat, because here, no1 cares.

With these phenomenons repeating themselves, don?t you think that, in the end, the quest for self-definition can be considered a human instinct?
A country made of people who are, by definition, equal? The Nazi?s built a complete theory about who is German and what that social stature grants a German.

Maybe it is natural for a country to remove all aspects that were not part of the original design. It is surely the purpose of any ethnicity. We have been brought up with the understanding that our countrymen have their own land, jobs, currency, etc.
Maybe accepting all immigrants and changes to our environment, come unnatural to us all.

Killing people for that cause is not widely accepted, but the will to separate, might be legitimate. I would have been against such statements in the past, but since I returned to Israel, there is nothing I want more but to disconnect myself from all the Muslims in our country. I do not want their demographic figures, I do not want to support them, and I do not want their culture. They have nothing to offer me.

Do you think that by automatically comparing those parties to Nazis, you might miss some of the things they are right about?

This is not my fully based opinion; I?m merely presenting a trail of thought.

quote:Originally posted by mariachi[Sarcasm]I doubt that Ripsta knows anything at all about the UK, hes Israeli, this is just an expression of UK hating.[/sarcasm]


You need to be quiet.

Anyway, I don't think this in any way suggest Harry is a nazi, but it does show hes a bit low on grey matter. I mean, what was he thinking? I mean, I know many of the English (particularly the royal family) aren't that smart in general, just a bunch of backward savages cowering behind John Lennon and Shakespeare, but really, what the hell is wrong with him? Maybe daddy will give him a quick spanking and send him to his room for a couple of days, or maybe someone will piss in his tea or take a dump on one of his toodle biscuits (or whatever the hell these royal family arses eat).

Anyway, this doesn't seem like a big deal, it'll all pass over in time. It was probably just a stunt that an ego-inflated attention whore like Harry would want.

Live and let live. Live and let die. Die and let live. Ugh to hell with it, who am I kidding, do whatever you want and shut the hell up. Oh, and I strongly support Harry's choice of a *goddamn costume* to grab some attention from the rest of the world, as I strongly resent the continued breathing of all Semites on the earth. White power.

Marine?... I even made a phony html tag to make it perfectly clear that it was sarcasm, what more do you need? A disclaimer stating that "The above comment was a minor joke commenting on a way of reasoning that I dont think is valid in another thread, dont take it seriously" (and asking me to shut up before posting that kind of crap is a lil strong)

Anyways, RIPsta.
If I was furious at you in the "other thread" about being unreasonable etc, I salute you in this thread for having a level of reasoning that is admirable (if that in any way matter to you coming from me, I have no idea, but, there, I said it).

Do I share your views then? The way I see it, we come from two totally different situations. Me, as a swede doesnt have a strong sense of a people, we are hardly an ethnic group, and the people of sweden has been forged to have what I could best describe as "national indifference" by politics the past decades.
Nationalism, which your "trail of thought" suggests isnt all bad, still carry the stigma of concentration camps.
From my point of view, the thought of having a culture staying "pure" and maintaining things for the sake of identity doesnt come naturally.
I can only imagine that part of the difference in opinions lies in the fact that the above is not by any means a good description of your situation.
I dont mind ppl searching for an identity, or appreciating of their own cultures, in a sense I think its sad to see how people at times seem embarassed to sing the swedish national anthem, because of the connection to nationalist movements with less than tolerant agendas.
Better to have it like in the US where it seems that everyone gladly sings to celebrate the fact that they belong to what they perceive as the finest nation on earth.

What I do mind is when the quest for identity leads to intolerance, and, I do get an uneasy feeling when you talk about muslims. On the other hand, I dont live under the threat of being murdered by suicide bombers, or have a history of my ppl being chased, tortured and murdered by the millions.

There is a distinct possibility that I would share your (non fully based) opinion if we had the same background, but, we dont, so, I dont share it, but, I would like to think that I at least try to understand it.

Regarding your comment on not wanting to support the muslim demographics: Demographical structure is usually a function of wealth. That is, poor countries have high birthrates. Isnt it in your best interest then to help them out of poverty ;)

/Mariachi

That picture is hilarious because Harry is a [IMAGE]ing moron.

quote:Originally posted by Marine

(or whatever the hell these royal family arses eat).


Last time I met the Queen Mother (before she died) it was Tesco Extra Value digestive biscuits!

Their leaders took the money we gave them and never bothered to forward it to their people. The aid was there. Arafat enjoyed his status as the leader of a nation and hence used a "market" approach. If someone came up to him and requested money, he would give it to him. That person, in return, would be loyal and thankful. Palestinians are simple folks, farmers, if you wish.
I'm afraid you lack the knowledge of Muslim culture, and would not understand, even if I explained it to you.

I have an example though, that you might understand:

Let's assume that I have a friend that will kill somebody tomorrow. I know he will do so, because he told me and explained to me exactly how he would. The day has come and my friend has killed a person. The police knock on my door and arrest me for accessory to murder. I am convicted because I am guilty. I knew about it, and did nothing.

When a Palestinian terrorist is about to kill Israelis in a bus, he needs to go through different stages of preparation. He makes contact with all people necessary for that purpose. How does he know which people to contact? He knows, because everybody in his village knows. He succeeded and killed 13 people in a bus. By law, his entire village is guilty for knowing about his intentions and doing nothing to prevent him from killing. Even if there are only 10 terrorists in a village of 200, all of them are responsible for the murder of others.

I did not sleep through my first years of education. I know of the connection between poverty and demographic. I know that poor people in the past were mostly farmers, in need of many children to help them with their fields. Nevertheless, I'm quite certain that Muslims are obligated, by religion, to have many children.

Now please excuse me, because whether or not you understand, I am not that interested in discussing this issue further on this forum. But like I said, feel free to PM me. I'm also afraid that you misunderstood me, when I said that my opinion wasn't fully based, I meant that I have not yet decided if that is the way I feel in this matter.

"Let's assume that I have a friend that will kill somebody tomorrow. I know he will do so, because he told me and explained to me exactly how he would. The day has come and my friend has killed a person. The police knock on my door and arrest me for accessory to murder. I am convicted because I am guilty. I knew about it, and did nothing."
Does that really happen in Israel?

"Even if there are only 10 terrorists in a village of 200, all of them are responsible for the murder of others. "
That is BS, you cant know if they do. And even if they did they would have been killed by the other palestines for betraying them. They have no choice.

1) He should be left alone, The papers promised him privacy after his mother died, and they didnt do that.

2) It doesnt bother me that he wore it, its his choice. He could of said " I love hitler" for a laugh and it wouldnt of minded me.

3) it's actually no big deal, you know what The Sun is like, Exageration-city. If I was him I'd tell everyone to stfu cos its none of there buisness. Like the monarchy matters anymore.

quote:Originally posted by flabAnd RIPsta, no it doesn't bother me he wore a swastica

in other words, you wouldnt have cared if he wore a ""stalin"" uniform?

personly, when i saw his picture in the newspaper, i pissed (seriously. pants down.) at it.
not because i think hes a nazi. i know (or hope) he isn't nazi.

its because he makes it a legitimate 'costume'.
its like saying to the kids "hey guys, heres a new costume for you. zieg hail!".

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on a side note:
pulp:
i dont find it 'moral' to put the word 'aushwitz', and a smiley ( :) ) togather. show some respect, will you? (oh, and he refused to visit in there, afaik)

quote:Originally posted by Wassow1) He should be left alone, The papers promised him privacy after his mother died, and they didnt do that.

2) It doesnt bother me that he wore it, its his choice. He could of said " I love hitler" for a laugh and it wouldnt of minded me.

3) it's actually no big deal, you know what The Sun is like, Exageration-city. If I was him I'd tell everyone to stfu cos its none of there buisness. Like the monarchy matters anymore.


Are you just dense or something? Glad to hear it doesn't bother you...unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around you. Even if the papers promised him "privacy", he went out to a party wearing this symbol on his arm and practically begged for media attention in doing so. Of course he isn't going to get any privacy when he does something so profoundly foolish and insulting. As a member of the royal family he needs to be smarter than that!

You act like it's all blown out of proportion and exageration, but the simple fact is if the kid had half a brain in his head he wouldn't have done it. What exactly is exagerated here, because he wore the costume and he was dumb enough to think it was appropriate regardless of the theme of the party. The guy is a member of the royal family, of course it matters what he does. Unfortunately it's not just the Sun reporting on this issue, so why even bother bringing that name up? As a member of the royal family he needs to set an example, and wearing something like that is utterly foolish in any light. I seriously hope someone smacks him.

Palloco, there are killers everywhere, and the scenario I described could happen in any country.

You are telling me that 190 people cannot stop 10?
Palloco, you are, without a doubt, out of your mind.
I think I'll ignore your responses to things other than Soldat, you are not worth my time.

Please return to the conversation about Harry the Nazi... it's much more interesting than your attempts to understand / convince me. You must have me mistaken for someone who cares what your thoughts are in regards to my country's political actions...
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Back to topic:

Allow me to quote a few sections of several articles:
I think this is the most contributing to our conversation, and reason enough to condemn his actions.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1438002,00.html
Terry Burton, a spokesman for veterans of the Second World War, said the prince?s costume was an insult to soldiers who had faced German troops in battle and were still dealing with painful memories. ?Maybe people think it?s funny to use inappropriate fancy dress like this, but I just find it disgusting,? he said.

This one is very amusing.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i7225
Spoof reporter Morgan Truce was able to track down Prince Harry at a Nazi rally being held at a secret location in the countryside. Amidst the cheers of several thousand aristocrats, Prince Harry said, ?I will do my best for Hitler. The Germans will do a much better job of ruling this country than my family ever did! I wear my swastika proudly and I now salute you. Sieg Heil!?

The crowd of well-heeled Nazi sympathizers returned the salute and cheered their new leader. Things are now looking brighter for Hitler's invasion of Britain.

An article for the laymen amongst us.
http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/004817.php
The theme of the fancy dress party, thrown by famous horseman and friend of Prince Charles, Richarde Meade, was ? believe it or not ? ?Colonials and Natives?. Oh lordy. Colonials and Natives? What the [IMAGE] are these people on?

The saga continues, and I think it?s wise for him to visit Auschwitz.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1440723,00.html

quote:Originally posted by IDF-RIPstaYou are telling me that 190 people cannot stop 10?
Palloco, you are, without a doubt, out of your mind.
I think I'll ignore your responses to things other than Soldat, you are not worth my time.

I guess Israeli propaganda is better than me. Well, at least they have more ways to communicate with you than I have.

I did not said "that 190 people cannot stop 10" I did say that not all 200 are guilty. There may be for example 10 terrorists 150 supporters and 40 dissidents. The 40 dissident cannot do anything because the other 160 people will stop them before and not only kill whoever tried that, but all his family.

quote:Originally posted by pallocoI guess Israeli propaganda is better than me.


huh? israeli propaganda?

how can you justify someone who openly supports the killing of 6 milion innocent jews, and tens of millions who tried to revolt his 'phirar' (sp).


i find it somehow funny, that theres even an argument in here.
the "prince" wore a fukin swastica. how the hell can you justify it with 'exadgeration'?

meh, sif be a nazi, naughty bad Harry. Bad!!
We'll have to confiscate your porsche and 700ft yacht.

BAD HARRY!!

Hehe, that spoof article was rather amusing, but, for those who merely read the quote and didnt click the link, the disclaimer that follows is:
"The story as represented above is written as a satire or parody. It is fictitious."
/Mariachi

Also check : http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=6775

Quite enjoyable (sometimes even interesting) comments.

My personal view on this is that with the exaggerated reaction of the UK press, of WWII veterans, of certain people all over the world it's proven again freedom is only a collective artificial state of mind with restrictions based on historical facts and modern ambiguous interpretations of ethic and moral values.

quote:Originally posted by koilquote:Originally posted by pallocoI guess Israeli propaganda is better than me.


huh? israeli propaganda?

how can you justify someone who openly supports the killing of 6 milion innocent jews, and tens of millions who tried to revolt his 'phirar' (sp).


i find it somehow funny, that theres even an argument in here.
the "prince" wore a fukin swastica. how the hell can you justify it with 'exadgeration'?



It was a costume show for one, so just let it go. In a costume show, you aren't necessarily *serious* about what your costume might suggest, but only wore it for the occasion. Stop maginifying everything, its just a bloody costume. Get over it. To consider the contrary: maybe he is a nazi and does support Hitler's view of the Aryan race being in control of everyone else. In that case, *who gives a [IMAGE]?* He's just one person that has his own point of view. I'd oppose it if he could do anything to act on that, but the British Royalty didn't do jack sh*t for the last century (give or take). There are millions of neo-nazis out there that were already out there for decades, I never saw so many news articles on all of these than I did about Harry's *COSTUME*. Jesus Christ, people need to grow up.

Pulp, I do believe people are free to do as they please. I don't think it's a grand illusion we live in. Limitations that apply are only the ones of bad taste. You are free to do as you please, as long as that doesn't interfere with the feelings / freedom of others. When you choose to wear an SS uniform, you are blatantly challenging the freedom of others.

Since I don't believe that little Harry is a Nazi, what he did was in the realms of bad taste. If he were serious in supporting Hitler's theories, then that would have been a completely different story.

There are certain topics that will always draw great attention. WWII, Nazis and Hitler are all included.

Sigh...Harry's life ain't easy.

I thought it was quite sad really. Get the hell out of his life and let him wear a damn costume if that's what he wants to do. Who gives a toss.

It offended the people who attended there... I'm pretty sure plenty of people give a toss, he's supposed to set an example.

Why should he? It's not like the Royal Family has any *real* power nowadays...

So some of you are suggesting that we ignore his foolish behavior. Fair enough, please state on what grounds you think we should do so.

I bet there isn't one plausable excuse you can come up with. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

If you feel you are up to it, and think you are able to convince somebody of the insignificance of little Harry's actions, don't let the forum be your last place to comment in.
Go convince this journalist:
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Ottawa/Earl_McRae/2005/01/16/899858.html

The stupidity continues...
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050114-095935-6263r.htm
It was further decided, the official said, that there will be no gesture such as a public trip by Prince Harry to the former Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland.

Very amusing comment:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/johnb/1_15fake.htm
"He tried on a few Osama bin Laden beards but couldn't find just the right one," said Nigel Tufnel. "And he was keen on going as a Ku Klux Klansman but couldn't find a bedsheet without bleeding 'Buckingham Palace' embroidered on it."

Back to being serious, this is an interesting approach to the scandal. I'm not certain about the integrity of the site but have a look:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-01/16/content_2466842.htm
"All of Europe suffered under Nazi crimes in the past, therefore, it would be logical for Nazi symbols to be banned all over Europe," said Silvana Koch-Merin, vice president of the Liberal group in the European Parliament.

The bonnie prince was obviously lacking in judgment since there was a general outcry. Earl McRae in the first article clearly thinks that it was just stupid and inconsiderate, and largely blames the schoolsystem:
"Choosing to believe Prince Harry is not a neo-Nazi, I'm disturbed that the reason for his unwitting stupidity and insensitivity are school systems, even the better ones, that virtually ignore teaching military history, the honorable and dishonorable; and parents who don't know or care."

I actually in ways think it is a good idea if Harry were to visit a concentration camp, I prefer people changing their behaviour rather than saying they are sorry.

Whether this general outcry has to do with that he commited a unique atrocity by trying to use the swastika in a way what he must have perceived as "fun", or the fact that he is royalty and therefore holds some sort of greater responsibility by the fact that he is in the public eye, I dont know.

The article from seacoastonline is a fake one, still, quite funny :)

The last article I agree with for a few reasons.
Firstly, It mentions Nazi insignia, and, therefore the use of the swastika as an ancient symbol of creation would not be prohibited.
Secondly, if the symbol causes grief with a large number of people, they cant be told to "get over it", their grief should be decisive.

The only thing that Im not sure about is: Is it allowed to be used in films? mock pictures of neonazis or hitler?

Some movies used more artistic measures to overcome the use of the actual symbol. I don't recall which movie, maybe it was Charlie Chaplin's "The Dictator", but in this movie they used a different symbol and everybody knew to whom they were referring.

The movie was shot before / during the Nazi period, yet they still avoided using the symbol. If it was a taboo to use the symbol back then, why isn't it the same situation today when we all know its implications?

Just a point to think about...

well I tried to read some of it .. too my for my bored eyes.
I read enough I guess.
Its pretty obvious prince henry is an idiot. he wanted attention probably, I'm sure he knew what his actions will start! so he got it, here we are talking about him.

Thing is, those kind of things must be condamned! because the only reason that the NeoNazi movement is still alive is because generation kept passing it on to each other.
The media is very strong today! effecting young minds, we can't allow the media to be passive to acts like that because it sends a massge that that symbole and what it is representing is OK!
for us its obvious it isnt ok, and prince henry is an idiot.
but for other it might not!
dunno how many of you watched the movie Generation-X (I hope i got the name right).
but it states clearly how neonzis keep their ideas alive!

Dont say its ok! dont stop being bothered from that!
'cause seeing maps in other games called "Nazis defence" when the enemie is represented as "Jews"
is not OK!
Mariachi said it himself.. he makes a habbit of terring nazi stickers out of poles..
The only place you dont need to fear from seeing those is probably Israel.
so don't allow such scenes ever.. dont ignore that! for the sake of human kind and for us as a species!