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Some basic strategies, tips and tricks
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Matashiro
March 30, 2005, 4:14 am
I just deicided to make a list of some basic tips that have increased my skill a lot. Not really hard things, but they're good to know.

This post is mostly for newer folks, but it's probably good for anyone who isn't above par.

Moving around

Duck - When you're under fire and reloading, duck behind something! Don't just fly around. Use those little bullet-blockers and terrain bumps - it's much smarter to stay out of fire alltogether rather than try and dodge it. Once your attacker gets high enough above you to shoot, JUMP out of your spot and either relocate or open fire.

MOVE!! - I see people try and fight while either standing in one spot or moving in a straight line (especially the FN Minimi noobs) - that's the worst thing you can do - it makes you an easy target. Move around fast and keep moving. Try to circle around your opponent.

Stay high - It's always better to fight above your opponent - you have a better chance of a headshot, you have less of a chance of being hit in the head and your bullets won't slow down as much (and theirs will slow down a little, too). This tip is especially important if you're fighting against a M79, Ruger, Spas or knifer.

Manipulate the terrain - Don't just run and jump around mindlessly - try to calculate where you're going to land and try to fall on a flat surface, not the tip of a surface bump or steep ledge. It's very important to be able to move fast and accurately.

Bullet dodging and shooting

Cirlce - It's much easier for you to hit your opponent if you circle them than it is for them to hit you.

Jump up and down - When fighting someone, it's a lot harder for them to hit you if you land on the ground (and wait for their bullet stream to get close to you if they're using an auto) and then very quickly jump back up in the air.

Lead your shots! - The biggest problem I see when playing online is that people don't compensate enough for the movement of other players. If you're bullets aren't hitting your target, do something about it!

Reload - If you're not fighting anyone and you don't have a full clip, RELOAD! (Unless you're using Barret, Mnigun, FN Minimi, AK-74)


Taking out the lamers

Camping Barreters - If you know where they are, move as fast as you can and DO NOT RUN/FLY DIRECTLY AT THEM because then you're just askin' for it. That's all you need to know.

Sprayers/Minigunners - If someone is spraying dozens of bullets in your general direction, then move to a different general direction...
If you're fighting a Minigunner, use the terrain. Hide behind something while they fire at you and when they stop, pop out and take a few shots before the wind up again. Or you can be more hardcore and try to take them out before they can even start (much easier to do with Ruger, M79, Deagles, Spas and Barret.)

Rugertards Yeah, I use the Ruger a lot and sometimes people call me a Rugertard because I'm good with it so I thought I'd post some tips on defeating them as well (even though I don't consider it being lame)

Be quick - The hardest target is a moving one. Do not stand in one place or anyone with a ruger will own you. Fight as close as possible because a guy whose good with a Ruger can nail you anywhere within his line of sight. Lastly, a Ruger-User is weakest while reloading, so just concentrate on being fast rather than shooting and once those four bullets are up, rambo their ass.

Minimis - I've seen an increasing number of people who use the Minimi and unload an entire clip just to kill one person. It has 27 start power, so four shots can kill you. However, try to fight close and hide behind things and wait until they reload, then you can punk em around all you want.

Using the guns (A brief guide on how to use each gun.)

Desert Eagles - Fight close. Two headshots will kill a person.
MP5 - Fire in well-aimed bursts - don't stream your entire clip. Lead your shots.
AK-74 - Get as close as you can - four shots from this can kill a person.
Steyr - Same as MP5
Spas - Fight face-to-face. If your opponent is far away, don't even bother. Run if you have to 'cause this weapon is useless unless you're close to your opponent(or above them)
Ruger - Fight moderately far away, aim your shots well and reload a lot.
M79 - Fight in a place where there are corners or on small maps. A M79'er whose fighting in the open is probably dead.
Barret - Get good at aiming. Don't camp please...
Minimi - It doesn't take a lot of skill to get decent at this, but don't waste your bullets, don't fire at things you probably can't hit and don't spray with it...
Minigun - Try and duck/hide behind something while winding up, then at the last second, pop up and start shooting. Up close it only needs 7 shots to kill someone and it pumps out 15 bullets/sec... It's deadly in the right hands. Just don't spray unless you're doing it strategecally (coverfire, prevent enemy from advancing, etc)


Powerups, courtesy and misc

Vest - Nothing to say really. 'Cept just because you have more 'health' doesn't mean that you're invincible

Predator - Don't use your jets if you can help it (although that doesn't mean don't use them if you have to or should) because that's a dead give-away of where you are. Also, avoid getting in the middle of firefights because although people can't see you, they can see your blood. Try to pick people off rather than getting up close.

Cluster nades - They carry momentum with them, so compensate for that. They're mostly just good for rushing a base (CTF) or dropping into a big brawl (DM). Otherwise, don't get them. I try to avoid them while playing in DM personally.

Flame God - Only pick this up in DM/Rambomatch/Pointmatch because otherwise it's pretty crappy. Don't start firing away once you pick it up because that's just saying "I'm invincible with a flamethrower and here I come!" A lot of people can't recognize it so wait until you get close to someone before spouting off fire.

Berserker - Wait until you see people before you pick it up because there's nothing more dissappointing than getting it and not killing anyone. Also, don't reload unless you're completely (or very low) on ammo. With 4x damage, you don't need to.

And now, a paragraph on courtesy

It's not hard to just be decent to people (I slip up from time to time) but don't get into yelling matches. Just know that the ignorent guy on the other end of the line is just a jerkoff in a computer chair. If it bothers you enough, go to a differnet server. Also, there's nothing wrong with a little lighthearted trashtalk, so don't let it get to you.

If you see that a guy is obviously typing and his gun is pointed towards the ground, be nice and don't shoot him (unless he has the flag or something... or is using a barret =P)


A last couple of things...

Don't rapidly throw nades 'cause there's a bug where, for one reason or another, one of your nades will kill you.

Throw nades in the way that people are moving. It's easier for them to walk into one than it is for you to throw one straight at them.



Well that's my horrendously long guide. I hope I helped some folks.

My online name is Lance the Villain. (For those of you that have played with me, you should know that I have AT LEAST some knowledge of what I'm talking about)

=)

Deleted User
March 30, 2005, 4:54 am
I think your wrong about the AUG, its effective at more than close range (farther than), and anyone w/ a brain or that has played CS should know how to fire and compensate for recoil.

Matashiro
March 30, 2005, 5:03 am
Recoil? I'm not talking about realistic. I'm talking about (probably) compensating for the distance between yourself and whoever you're fighting

and yeah, you're right about the AUG, but it's the same basic idea as the MP5

Gen0cide
March 30, 2005, 5:27 am
Overall this is a great article.
There is one like this,but I think this gives more STRATEGIC tips,and the other was info.

GTO
March 30, 2005, 6:32 am
How do u dodge a guy whos camping in 1v1?

Vijchtidoodah
March 30, 2005, 7:06 am
Matashiro, perhaps I'm just in a crappy mood today, but most of that just sounds useless and biased.

Duck - No way, reloading any gun (other than the ones you mentioned) doesn't take long enough to justify ducking behind something, especially since most barriers don't really offer much protection (this is also completely useless in a Rambomatch).

Move - Doesn't always help, it depends on how your oponent is moving and what weapon you have (barret, law...).

Stay High - Generally, yes...but staying low allows you to jump skip around much faster and the ability to change your direction quickly.

Manipulate the terrain - Yes, but you're wrong. I always try to land on a bump because they propel you forward so much faster whereas flat areas tend to glitch up a lot and get you stuck.

Circle - Yes, unless the other person is also trying to and has a more powerful weapon, in that case you would just end up moving the same speed and you would get mauled (also generally only works well with autos).

Reload - Yes, but take the AK off the list. It doesn't take that long to reload. You may also want to wait on reloading if you're right next to an enemy spawn.

Campers - Perhaps you should tell us how to get rid of them then, eh? I always just wait for an unsuspecting teammate to get murdered by them and then run in and clean up while the camper is reloading.

Rugertards - Tactic depends on who you're up against. Most people who use the ruger (believe it or not) have god-awful aim at long distances.

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MP5 - Eh, I think it's best to use the entire clip at once because it reloads so fast. You may also want to suggest staying close to your target.
AK-74 - I find just the opposite; it remains incredibly accurate at long distances which is why it's best as an all around weapon.
Steyer - Same as MP5 ;) but also a good long distance weapon.
Spas - Totally wrong. Because the bullets never weaken over distance, it can be one of the best (and most overlooked) weapons even at long distances.
M79 - Sometimes open areas can be the best, depends entirely on your aim.

Vest - Perhaps you should tell us all about how it still takes only one LAW or M79 grenade to kill you...
Predator - Also tell us about how you're not entirely invisible...come on, you're leaving out the basics.

Courtesy - Don't forget the good 'ol mute command.



Well, that's my criticsm, like it or not.

mickle89
March 30, 2005, 7:29 am
quote:Barret - Get good at aiming. Don't camp please...

WAT THE HELL, the idea of the barret is to camp hence thats why when u prone or crouch u can see further.....DERRRRRRRR!!!

mmeaney
March 30, 2005, 4:31 pm
Camping is different from sniping. Camping is staying in the same spot forever. Snipeing is taking a good position, killing someone and moving on. In a CTF campers never cap, while snipers can.

Sneaky Bstard
March 30, 2005, 5:34 pm
nice guide matashiro


vihjct keep quiet.

Deleted User
March 30, 2005, 6:15 pm
I am getting very annoyed by people saying don't camp with barret. I Don't use barret, but I enjoy a camper every once in awhile because it takes skill to defeat them. It was put in the game for a reason, to be used, and to use it most effectivly you need to camp. So stop picking on campers.

Melba
March 30, 2005, 7:11 pm
I totally agree with what you said Matashira, except the things that vijcht corrected.
Especially about the spas

Vanana
March 30, 2005, 8:20 pm
nice tips...
snipe and camp IS DIFFERENT
snipers alrdy know where the enemy is going to be so wat they do is to rush and take
position before them!
campers WAIT for their target eternally

Matashiro
March 31, 2005, 3:28 am
I'd like to clear some things up that Vijchtidoodah posted

Duck - I use ruger a lot (quick reload) and falling behind a barrier or a large terrain clump while reloading really helps me out a lot. Noob-ish auto users often fire and fire right over my head thinking they can hit me, then when they reload I pop out and maul em.

Move - Yeah, moving doesn't always help but in most cases it's a good idea. Remember, this is just some basic stuff

Stay High - I disagree. On the ground, it's easier to hit someone just because you have more of a reference point as to where you're shooting and your opponent is always above you (unless they're on the ground, too. In that case, it's there's nothing wrong with skipping around)

Manipulate the terrain - That's kinda strange because just from my experiance, whenever I fall on a terrain point I always get stuck to shot straight up and it takes a few seconds to straighten myself out. However, if you know how to use those, it's probably a better idea. I'm not very good at it.

Circle - If the other person is using a powerful weapon (like Minimi) and they're trying to do the same thing then yeah, it's a bad idea. However, in most cases, it's just smarter to move around your opponent than for them to move around you.

Reload - Yeah, I was debating about the AK, but if you have 30 shots still left in it and you don't wanna wait on advancing to that flag then you don't really HAVE to reload.

Campers - When I got soldat, it was given to me by a friend on a CD after he had done some modding to the game. So, because of his genious, the barret on my screen looks like the word 'LOSER' (Because he often calls the barret the loser cannon) and it's in all caps with bright pink and purple coloring. So for me, those cursed bush campers aren't hard to see. I suggest you do the same thing because camping is just plain lame.

Rugertards - People who suck with the ruger usually fight at close range. I've been called one just because I'm better than decent with it, so it's mostly just opinion.

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MP5 - It's not that using a whole clip is bad, it's just smarter to fire in bursts and aim your shots (I'm not very good at it, but I played with a guy who used the Steyr and did it and he was a little better than me)
AK-74 - You're right. However, it's much more devastating at closer range
Steyer - It's good for long range if you can predict where someone is gonna move well and have good aim, but yeah, so is every weapon
Spas - By long distance, I mean from one end of the screen to the other. Spas just doesn't have the range. I can usually dodge the spray although several times in the past, a good Spas player knows what they're doing and completely takes out that last bit of health with a well aimed shot.
M79 - Yes, it does depend on the player and their aim, but again, this is just a general guide.

Vest - No idea what you're talking about... I said it doesn't make you invincible.

Predator - Well if you must know, you're not entirely invisible (like the Predator in the movie) although it's nearly impossible to see someone invisible unless you're looking for them or they're firing or flying.

Courtesy - Yeah, the mute command is good, but I don't use it. For all I know it's just a guy having a bad day and could be a good person or I might end up playing on a team with him later and he might have something important to say.

Once again my soldat online name is Lance the Villain if you ever wanna contact.

Swebonny
March 31, 2005, 7:19 am
Very nice Matashiro!! This shuold be in some Soldat page!

Wopkeuh
March 31, 2005, 11:51 am
I agree on this guide completely, nice work :D

I don't really mind campers....
A good ol' M79 or some nades usually take care of them.
Barett campers can't shoot around corners ;)

Ein
March 31, 2005, 12:55 pm
I resent getting called a rugertard in games. It's mostly the same people who would call you 'noob' when you get killed, and 'lucker' when you kill them. God, I hate those gits.

I think another good thing to mention is if you come to a bottle-neck at roughly the same time as an enemy and they sit there ready to shoot you, and you can't pass without getting in their line of sight- throwing the knife works really well because of of it's curved movement you can get them without getting in their line of fire.

SPARTAN_III
April 3, 2005, 5:57 pm
the camper will not always use a barret. he will wait in scenery and stab you as you pass unsuspectingly. thus i make it a point to m79 any bush i pass by.

i wold like to add-dont minigun surf. its annoying

117
April 4, 2005, 9:22 am
Not to mention it lags up the server and for all the poor people with bad graphics cards, i pity u. Actually, the grenade is a ping bug, too high and ur grenades blow in ur hand. And the cluster nades pwn in tight spaces. U r right about high points, cos bullets travel faster with gravity. and if you are high enough, they cant touch u...... Snipers are easy. just BINK THEM. spray em till they cant shoot straight(possible, i got shot up with an auto so much, my shot went vertical). Or watch project x. many times.

Shivorken
April 4, 2005, 12:46 pm
quote:Originally posted by mickle89quote:Barret - Get good at aiming. Don't camp please...

WAT THE HELL, the idea of the barret is to camp hence thats why when u prone or crouch u can see further.....DERRRRRRRR!!!


thats only for lame ass campers ... an as for seeing further, thats what campers do to pick you off when u cant see them. An experienced player would use it as an effiecent i hit kill weapon and charge. they would also know how to lead thier shots properly when they are moving. Barret is not just a weapon for campin ... I like using it all the time =D





Elephant_Hunter
April 4, 2005, 2:55 pm
The Taking out the Lamers section is just plain insulting.

DT
April 4, 2005, 3:25 pm
people do need to know though...
nice guide thier... something i would do... if i wasn't lazy... you my twin? or something?
edit:
STICKY THIS!!! plz...

Marine
April 4, 2005, 7:11 pm
I don't see anything wrong with spraying with the minimi, it's got a nice big clip.

Good article. Also, flying high, sure you have the advantage against people on the ground, but you're also sniper bait (so easy for an at least half decent sniper to hit someone flying [even easier to hit someone free falling with zero jet fuel, cause they fall so consistently and predictably]).

With a few minor adjustments, I say we add this on to Vijchtidoodah's stickied thread. It would go well with the weapon's chart.

Deleted User
April 4, 2005, 9:53 pm
i think minimi is 3rd best weapon bcus it hsa a large clip and i no how to defeat alot of ppl with minimis, i bassically use it all the time in deathmatch or a teammatch, clanmatches 2.

lastpatriot
April 4, 2005, 10:58 pm
This will be very helpful for newbies. Saying "rugertard" is kind of clumsy, though. Look, you have barretard, which flows, but rugertard is weird. It's just trivial though, I don't really care.

Again, very good guide.

Vanana
April 5, 2005, 8:44 pm
its Rugetard...

nice maual though...

STEELIX
April 5, 2005, 9:10 pm
Rugertard is quite easy to pronounce though, try saying it a few times, doesn't it fit around your tongue perfectly? :P

SilencedAsshole
April 5, 2005, 9:49 pm
I, as the winner of the "Most Original Forum Avatar Award" say: This tips really should be official.

Zakreon
April 6, 2005, 12:29 am
i think this is a really good guide to go by. and im sure most of us remember not knowing how to fire the law, thinking the minigun would never fire and things liek that, or maybe you were smart enough to figure the stuff out in one go, but this guide has a good description about the aspects of the game, also when you pass by a large bush or something you can easily hide behind put your cursor on it before you go by it. this is a good way to spot campers, if you are shot and killed by a camper be sure to team message your allies about his position

lastpatriot
April 6, 2005, 2:09 am
That's good, but they may shoot you before you can move away after you zoom on them.

Matashiro
April 7, 2005, 2:43 am
Heh, well if you wanna know..

To fire the law, crouch or prone and then shoot.. and you need to hold the fire button for the minigun..

And thanks to all of you who supported this guide... Maybe it should be stickied? =D