Ken the Great
June 22, 2005, 1:44 pm
as lately as about a minute ago, when I was playing soldat, I got to think about this again; Whenever you sit down with a barret or someother weapon and wait for people and you shoot someone, how big ain't the percent that the person probably will shout "******* camper!" "*** camper" and so on? I don't see anything wrong with camping, so I usually replies "it's just a game" or "I don't see anything wrong with camping" and that other player continues yelling or whining or w/e you want to call it, so I'm now saying this officially that:
It's just a game. No need to start yelling at someone just because they kill you. Ain't the barret made for camping? I mean, the "sniper sight" if you lay down, that looks atleast for me made for sitting down and aim for enemys. I know that some servers say "no camping" and that's Ok, then I don't camp. Me myself don't camp if someone says like "no camping plz" or something like that, I know that some people like some guns and hates some, but they should still accept that other players can use them. Altough, it's just a game. And if you don't like another player's gun, what is better than kill him? ;) (note: the last thing was sort of a joke)
=FGF=Ken the Great
Felix
June 22, 2005, 3:09 pm
There're a hundred of those topics^^, i think we understood^^
Goofy_92
June 22, 2005, 3:13 pm
I agree with you. That's annoying when people start to whine. Go =FGF=!
The @venger
June 22, 2005, 3:24 pm
i think it is rather relaxing to barret camp, i do it alot lately, because i am not that good at it, and then nobody whines, and everybody is happy....
Deleted User
June 22, 2005, 3:29 pm
I use the Barret as an assault weapon! :) Doesn't work that well...
Goofy_92
June 22, 2005, 3:37 pm
Well, I can say that I almost never camp. I move then shoot and again, move and shoot. ;)
Mini Man
June 22, 2005, 3:50 pm
Yea, its annoying when you get whined at i got whined at for "Spraying" with a Ruger >_>, dont know how thats possible but anyway....
The main reason that most people (Including me) hate people barret camping is that its considered to be a an un-skilled way to kill someone, (in other words n00b, a word i dont use) and i agree in a way, seeing as the bullet (Usually) Kills in one hit, and it flys in a perfectly straight line (Close enough.)
Some people then say "Yea...like a REAL sniper rifle" and yes i agree that is like a real sniper rifle, but for one thing this game isnt real, and i just feel that the element of sniping (Which is usually my favourite class in most games) just doesnt fit into soldat.
Liber_Lupus
June 22, 2005, 4:08 pm
I dare you to say that to a cs player.
"JUST A GAME..JUST A GAME???"
Zero72
June 22, 2005, 5:22 pm
Barretard, spraytard... what the hell next? Wintard? Beatmetard?
TheFunktopus
June 22, 2005, 5:42 pm
Here's a new one for you: Spastard. A guy told me that the Spas-12 is lame because "there's a 90% chance that the bullets will hit". Nope, the fact that the Spas-12's bullets turn into peas after 10 meters, and are very uneffective if there's a very small amount that hits a person doesn't mean that it's any less lame.
lastpatriot
June 22, 2005, 6:29 pm
I hate when I get whined at for "SOCOM Spraying".
MMORPG players are very serious, also.
Keron Cyst
June 22, 2005, 6:36 pm
quote:Originally posted by KamikaziCowI use the Barret as an assault weapon! :) Doesn't work that well...
Heh, same here, unless it's ctf_Kampf & I'm bored (xD); it's actually very useful in some situations, but if you're going to be firing while charging you have to really get used to the inertia (or you'll be forced to stop & crouch, and that'll make you more liable to being binked :-/).
Deleted User
June 22, 2005, 6:40 pm
sometimes I like to cange my name and go on a barret camper spree ^^ just to get it out of my system..
I do it once every month. its quite fun :D
Deleted User
June 22, 2005, 9:10 pm
I usually start w/ the AK or something but after a few Deaths I had enough and dedcide to protect the flag (I usually play CTF)... and after 5 minutes i've had enough of camping and go halfway the map w/ more chance to get killed/binked and to kill. After that death it's M79 time or something.
Tho' I hate the players who camp all the match.
Raptor
June 23, 2005, 12:11 am
I still think that camping is for cowards, because everyone is KILLING, JUMPING, THROWING GRENADES, SPRAYING, while a camper is waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting...
quote:It's just a game. No need to start yelling at someone just because they kill you. Ain't the barret made for camping? I mean, the "sniper sight" if you lay down, that looks atleast for me made for sitting down and aim for enemys. I know that some servers say "no camping" and that's Ok, then I don't camp. Me myself don't camp if someone says like "no camping plz" or something like that, I know that some people like some guns and hates some, but they should still accept that other players can use them. Altough, it's just a game. And if you don't like another player's gun, what is better than kill him? ;) (note: the last thing was sort of a joke)
Its not a fact of if the weapon has a scope or not, its the fact that its annoying for people to be greeted by a bullet before they even reach the enemy base.
quote:i think it is rather relaxing to barret camp, i do it alot lately, because i am not that good at it, and then nobody whines, and everybody is happy....
Soldat is not suppose to be relaxing, if you want to relax go listen to Kenny G, How can you suck at camping, its takes almost no skill to do.
I used to be a barrettard, but I never camped to annoy people, I always judged the teams and the current situation, then I would camp until an attack was needed. Now I don't use the barret at all cause it really is just a noob weapon.
Darkfist007
June 23, 2005, 1:47 am
quote:Originally posted by Liber_LupusI dare you to say that to a cs player.
"JUST A GAME..JUST A GAME???"
Cs players dont count as real video gamers, they think its almost real, losers.
Camping has nothing wrong with it, unless you pick up health or ammo in other games.
Ok
June 23, 2005, 2:44 am
erm, its very simple why most ppl whines, some just don't like to get killed so they will whine no matter how u kill them.
But there are alot of players that you are just ruining the game for them.
The only way to deal with your camping is to spray you, imagin that, a sprayer vs a camper.
Sounds like a very boring game for me.
Sure its fun sometimes to camp and you might say its relaxing since its so easy to do it.
Basicly you're runing the game for others by camping, they didn't come to play hide and seek with a camper they came for an action game of shooting, they don't get it from campers like you.
You can say the same for minigun, the only way to play it is the way everybody will whine about, its ruining the game (mostly for you team).
You hardly see campers in cw's now'n'days since its not helping your team (and don't tell me "defence"), maybe you should go camp in DM's :\ and stop bothering CTF players.
You won't though, since in DM it just harder and I have the feeling you're looking for easy kills.
Saying "Its just game" does not mean anything in this case, just because its "JUST A GAME" doesnt mean its ok to ruin it for others.
"Just a game" is JUST a comment ppl use to excuse what they are doing.
What if I hack the server and ban everyone? I ruined the game didnt I? but hack, just a game right.. so its ok.
Darkfist007
June 23, 2005, 2:57 am
Camping can only ruin a game if your too much of a pansy or idiot to go the other way.
It is defence if done properly, on some maps I can stop almost all attempts to steal the flag by my camping.
Also banning everyone on the server has nothing to do with camping, its flat out rude and childish, as where camping is a real tactic in real combat, implimented in a game.
bond_james_bond
June 23, 2005, 3:34 am
It's just a game. Yeah, it really is. I can't seem to find why some people will take the time out of their life to complain to people completely unbeknownst to them about a little pathetic kill in which it will take only about 5 sec to respawn.
Sorry.
Ok
June 23, 2005, 8:50 am
Hey don't get me wrong, I stopped complaining about campers long time ago.
I actually miss them with all the spraying going on.
And I can assure you you won't stop me with a barret if I want to take the flag, you will miss me, get killed by me, and then whine about me being a lagger.
Like most of them do..a simple dodge of back and forth and you're done.
But for others who aint playing for 2 years and developed those tactics well its just plain annoying getting killed just like that without even fighting anyone for it.
Green Barret
June 23, 2005, 9:17 am
quote:Originally posted by OkHey don't get me wrong, I stopped complaining about campers long time ago.
I actually miss them with all the spraying going on.
And I can assure you you won't stop me with a barret if I want to take the flag, you will miss me, get killed by me, and then whine about me being a lagger.
Like most of them do..a simple dodge of back and forth and you're done.
But for others who aint playing for 2 years and developed those tactics well its just plain annoying getting killed just like that without even fighting anyone for it.
The fashion of whining always changes, but it never ends.
117
June 23, 2005, 9:47 am
I prefer to say that "YOU CAMPED FOR 0.00000000025 seconds! YOU ARE A CAMPER TOO!" It annoyes them
MOFO NOFO
June 23, 2005, 10:26 am
Soldats a game now???
*goes off and walks into other direction*
*runs back at the computer screaming at some spraying mp5er*
*does a killing spree at school for dieing*
Meh.
SeanCapsAss
June 23, 2005, 4:58 pm
Hey Ken if its just a game why do you give a rat's ass that they complain. If its just a game it shouldn't bother you at all that they (Please refrain from swearing) and moan...
Ken the Great
June 23, 2005, 5:10 pm
I mean, that it's a game so there is no need to ruin it via whining. And I bother because it's ruining the fun with the game. it's a game, yes, and if someone whines, it's not a fun game, so to keep the game fun, I'm writing this to all whiners. =) btw, I camp, yes, but not all the time. If I die a couple of times with same weapon I see it's bad then change it, so I never really have the same weapon for too long.
=FGF=Ken the Great
Deleted User
June 23, 2005, 6:40 pm
quote:Originally posted by Ken the Greatas lately as about a minute ago, when I was playing soldat, I got to think about this again; Whenever you sit down with a barret or someother weapon and wait for people and you shoot someone, how big ain't the percent that the person probably will shout "******* camper!" "*** camper" and so on? I don't see anything wrong with camping, so I usually replies "it's just a game" or "I don't see anything wrong with camping" and that other player continues yelling or whining or w/e you want to call it, so I'm now saying this officially that:
It's just a game. No need to start yelling at someone just because they kill you. Ain't the barret made for camping? I mean, the "sniper sight" if you lay down, that looks atleast for me made for sitting down and aim for enemys. I know that some servers say "no camping" and that's Ok, then I don't camp. Me myself don't camp if someone says like "no camping plz" or something like that, I know that some people like some guns and hates some, but they should still accept that other players can use them. Altough, it's just a game. And if you don't like another player's gun, what is better than kill him? ;) (note: the last thing was sort of a joke)
=FGF=Ken the Great
hey.. we all know that its just a game. and we don't need no guy who thinks he's a bigshet to tell us that!
when you get pwned when playing, then i KNOW that you dont think the same way you posted here.
Chakra`
June 23, 2005, 6:44 pm
how fitting ...people whining about you ruining the game, ruins your game.
Prepare thyself, mr Ken, for a scientific analysis on Camping.
There is an unwritten code to 'moral gaming'. It's not a very clear one, so it's quite natural to not know of the principles behind setting yourself and others up to what is considered a 'fair challenge'.
For most, people appreciate the challenge of two players meeting and then duking it out. On the whole, this is considered a fair and reasonable challenge: two skilled players testing their agility and aim to the utmost degree.
This concept however is eliminated when either player has an 'unfair advantage'.
Camping at times is considered unfair. The exact clarity of when and where it is not fair depends upon the position of the camper as well as the repetive annoyance he offers.
eg: ctf_equinox. All too easy to camp inside the flag area. This by far takes no more skill than pressing your left mouse button at the right time.
Not only is camping frowned upon because of it's unfair advantage, it's also seen as a representation to the camper's mentality and overall skill; a player who has such little skill other than sitting still and plucking people with an instantaneous shot.
So you see Ken, you are perfectly right in Soldat being just a game, but a game should be a challenge. If remaining static, hidden, and removing your enemies before they possibly have a chance to fight back is challenging for you, perhaps you should consider playing with bots and learning to fight others on a more personal level.
Deleted User
June 23, 2005, 9:20 pm
Is it just a game?
Well yeah but, I play games for enjoyment. Yeah I know I can't be an all powerful player who can get 5236 kills and 0 deaths... But when players ruin my enjoyment I get pissed (Yes, I Know I've been an asshole on the servers lately). When people hack, it ruins my enjoyment of the game. Therefore, I get pissed off. When three of my enemies are capming not too far from the respawn point (and have annoyingly great aim) It ruins my enjoyment, so I get pissed. When an entire team is hanging around the flag ALL with a barret, that's just cheap and it ruins my enjoyment so I get pissed. Think about it though...what are the odds of say, five people missing me, one guy. But of course somebody will tell me "just go charge them!" Oh sure, I'll do that. If my team ever listened to me if I say "Since they are all camping we oughtta charge them!!".
Oh yes and please don't get me started on players who use the cheap polybug...
But you know, thats just me. My whole opinion is probably a load of BS to y'all anyway...
caliber
June 23, 2005, 9:29 pm
So Ken whats your point? What are you trying to tell us by saying its just a game. We know..its not like we are whiners about camping, so whats the point of this topic?
Ok
June 23, 2005, 11:45 pm
The point of this topic is to try and convince himself that he is ok and the others are not by justifying his actions with all this "Just a Game" hypocrizem.
I mean come on, you WHINE! about whiners?
They whine about your actions! you whine about their words?
Who's the bigger whiner? what is easier to ignore? text? or camping?
I don't blame him though, he's probably some new player who saw someone else going on about "Its just a game" issue somewhere else, and thought about using the same argument to make himself feel Ok with how he plays since apperently it does bother him when ppl call him names.
Maybe we should talk to their intellect (on that level):
You know Rambo? well he was cool because he charged the enemie! got there and owned them all! he didn't just hide somewhere and started sniping everyone now did he? :)
Same to you, you need their flag, go get it!
Deleted User
June 24, 2005, 12:25 am
quote:Originally posted by Chakra`how fitting ...people whining about you ruining the game, ruins your game.
Prepare thyself, mr Ken, for a scientific analysis on Camping.
There is an unwritten code to 'moral gaming'. It's not a very clear one, so it's quite natural to not know of the principles behind setting yourself and others up to what is considered a 'fair challenge'.
For most, people appreciate the challenge of two players meeting and then duking it out. On the whole, this is considered a fair and reasonable challenge: two skilled players testing their agility and aim to the utmost degree.
This concept however is eliminated when either player has an 'unfair advantage'.
Camping at times is considered unfair. The exact clarity of when and where it is not fair depends upon the position of the camper as well as the repetive annoyance he offers.
eg: ctf_equinox. All too easy to camp inside the flag area. This by far takes no more skill than pressing your left mouse button at the right time.
Not only is camping frowned upon because of it's unfair advantage, it's also seen as a representation to the camper's mentality and overall skill; a player who has such little skill other than sitting still and plucking people with an instantaneous shot.
So you see Ken, you are perfectly right in Soldat being just a game, but a game should be a challenge. If remaining static, hidden, and removing your enemies before they possibly have a chance to fight back is challenging for you, perhaps you should consider playing with bots and learning to fight others on a more personal level.
gawk. all so true.. read this all campers.. for the love of god, just do.
Darkfist007
June 24, 2005, 1:41 am
Not like it takes any aim or timing to shoot someone at an extream distance, or that are out of your veiw, when zoomed, but you still hit them due to knowing the map and the way people act takes skill.
Ken the Great
June 25, 2005, 1:45 pm
the point is that I got a bit angry if not pissed off by beeing called '*** camper' for I-don't-know-what time. so I mean it's just a game and there's no need to whine. I'm maybe whining writing this but you should here the people I talk about. so this topic is posted because I want to play a game without beeing called condescending words while playing by laying down with a Barret M82A1 and aim for targets and so on.
Me myself if I camp and someone starts whining I say like 'you should tell me to stop camp instead of shouting'
=FGF=Ken the Great
Ken the Great
June 25, 2005, 1:49 pm
quote:Who's the bigger whiner? what is easier to ignore? text? or camping? If I write something here, it's harder to ignore it than if I camp in soldat, but I agree that ignoring text in soldat is easier.
SuperKill
June 25, 2005, 5:36 pm
quote:Originally posted by lastpatriotMMORPG players are very serious, also.
hopefully you're joking.
Jiggs
June 25, 2005, 8:08 pm
I don't camp, or even mess with the Barret much, but I enjoy having to contend with campers. It's a good mental exercise, because they have such a better advantage. Taking them out is so much more rewarding.
Ok
June 26, 2005, 3:05 am
Most of them are morons, so they really don't have any advantage.
Anyone who wish to counter my statment is invited to watch me play a public with campers in it :)
Zegovia
June 26, 2005, 2:36 pm
Camping is a style of play for people that takes patience and wait for their prey to get a clean kill. people that are less patient just rush in without thinking of what the bushes might hide. they can blame their own recklessnes isntead of calling the sniper a "fu*king camper".
I whas in a game once, and instead of trying to suprise him (and nail him qith the m79,AK or wahtsoever!) so he will miss his first shot did i put myself clearly vissible for him, but i held myself beyond his reach....
we waited for each other to make the first move, but in the end he lost his patience and tried to rush me, and BANG! i got him the second he came in my reach.
You can take on campers by being both offensive (take a gun and shout some constructive battle cry and rush at em!) and passive (as described above). they are not impossible to deal with.
Soap
June 26, 2005, 3:11 pm
When I'm speed hacking your ass, remember that it is only a game.
Ok
June 27, 2005, 4:32 am
I can clearly see that Zegovia represents the noobish community that has no idea what CTF means.
I'm not surprised though, this place holds any kind of memebrs, the newbeis among us think they know much about the game.
Zegovia I suggest you try going into a clan, play some real ctf wars and and try that, you'll see how easly they are dealt with, I personaly (so does other players who've been playing this game for years) have no problem with dealing with the likes of you :)
mostly I just let them camp and go another way then come back with the flag and blast their arse from behind, not only this is easy to do, this is also the reason why I say they are very stupid.
It doesnt take years of game play to realize that you are not gaining more caps by sitting and camping, you're only making the other team gain their camps slower. and sometimes not even that.
And someone will do that only if he can't win the game.
If you think you're smart by doing what you did :) I suggest playing some good players and not other newbies like yourself who are just bored from sitting down and doing nothing.
Also I suggest reading the first line in the soldat.pl site.
"Soldat is a unique side-view multiplayer ACTION game."
Sitting down and being patient is anything BUT action.
Don't be offened by what I say, try to understand you know very little about this game, and try to test other ways of playing it.
Jaz
June 27, 2005, 12:40 pm
If im bored I barret camp to annoy people, WTF FJUCKGING NOOB STOPUITIUT (Please refrain from swearing)G. hrhrhrhrhrhrr
Zegovia
June 27, 2005, 11:05 pm
quote:Originally posted by OkI can clearly see that Zegovia represents the noobish community that has no idea what CTF means.
I'm not surprised though, this place holds any kind of memebrs, the newbeis among us think they know much about the game.
Zegovia I suggest you try going into a clan, play some real ctf wars and and try that, you'll see how easly they are dealt with, I personaly (so does other players who've been playing this game for years) have no problem with dealing with the likes of you :)
mostly I just let them camp and go another way then come back with the flag and blast their arse from behind, not only this is easy to do, this is also the reason why I say they are very stupid.
It doesnt take years of game play to realize that you are not gaining more caps by sitting and camping, you're only making the other team gain their camps slower. and sometimes not even that.
And someone will do that only if he can't win the game.
If you think you're smart by doing what you did :) I suggest playing some good players and not other newbies like yourself who are just bored from sitting down and doing nothing.
Also I suggest reading the first line in the soldat.pl site.
"Soldat is a unique side-view multiplayer ACTION game."
Sitting down and being patient is anything BUT action.
Don't be offened by what I say, try to understand you know very little about this game, and try to test other ways of playing it.
Lemme say this.... you have your way to play the game and i have mine, so leave it.....
And dont call people noobs untill youve played against em......
Also i do have ha hard time trying to reffer myself in english, so my replies often becomes misunderstood.
Darkfist007
June 28, 2005, 12:58 am
And rushing out there and getting blasted away and then spending 3 second waiting to respawn is action? Rushing gets boring after all of 5 min.
Ok
June 28, 2005, 6:42 am
You could shoot them and try to kill them before you die you know.
That's the action part, enemies facing each other and fighting....
So basicly yea, rushing them, killing sum, or getting the flag, sometimes getting killed before taking the flag.
Yea mate, that's what soldat is about, not just camping in your place and waiting for the other to make his move.
imagin 2 #######s (yea yea I know refrain from swearing) doing that.
10 minutes of silence untill the first one gets bored.
The arguement is futile though, you have no idea what I'm talking about since you never been where I stand right. I HAVE been where you are, so I do know how its like to do what you do.
And no, its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of what you want from the game, a feeling you own or a feeling of overcoming a challange.
I'll end it at this since camping is no longer a problem at any sory of way.
Zegovia
June 28, 2005, 11:25 am
And I belive that CTF whas about teamwork and having fun..
(with a bit of carnage, futile aptemts and destruction at the sides!) ;)
Darkfist007
June 28, 2005, 4:37 pm
quote:Originally posted by OkYou could shoot them and try to kill them before you die you know.
That's the action part, enemies facing each other and fighting....
So basicly yea, rushing them, killing sum, or getting the flag, sometimes getting killed before taking the flag.
Yea mate, that's what soldat is about, not just camping in your place and waiting for the other to make his move.
imagin 2 #######s (yea yea I know refrain from swearing) doing that.
10 minutes of silence untill the first one gets bored.
The arguement is futile though, you have no idea what I'm talking about since you never been where I stand right. I HAVE been where you are, so I do know how its like to do what you do.
And no, its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of what you want from the game, a feeling you own or a feeling of overcoming a challange.
I'll end it at this since camping is no longer a problem at any sory of way.
Dont assume anything. I do rush, I used to rush all the time. You run there and kill a few soldiers then you either a. get killed or b. go back for whatever reason. Its the same thing over and over. Yes it does get boring if no one comes. But most of the time you see them and they know your there so they try to fake, thiking there all hardcore, and they die, then they try again, and again. Its funny. Some times you face off against 1 person, other times 5 or six. And Im sure you cant sit in one sopt 1 barret 1 law, and 3 grenades and frequently succeed in killing 5 people shooting at you that know where you are.