Ok, hear is the low down..

Oxid was once a clan, dedicated to only portugesse players, but changed to be open to all europian players, and has proven to be very succesfull. Now we are going to try and make the clan national, by having 2 teams, europian, and north american.

The europian rooster is this so far:
Staff
Ox*AlexOner
Ox*DarkFenix.pt
Ox*PoiSo/|/eD.pt
Ox*r0x.pt
Members
Ox*Avenger.pt
Ox*G.pt
Ox*Timmeh
Ox*OverRaider.pt
Ox*Paiba!.pt
Ox*Rogas.pl
Ox*ZarRoK.pt (aka pokuan) ;O

NA rooster (so far)
Ox*BobJustBob
Ox*Noz
Ox*Mystwander

red=new

we are recruiting NA members (also sometimes europe members, been need to pwn ;D), and potential NA staff members who can offer more to the clan. You need to be NA, multi weaponed skilled, and clan respecting.

you MUST have irc to get a tryout, if you want to join the NA team.. but if you want to join the EU team, you need to be a very good down player.. gl and hf ;D

bump

I want to join.
I live in Estonia
Have been playing since 1.1.3 that's about 2,5 years i think...
I use autos mainly...
MSN sande24@hotmail.com

Well, due to my failed attempt at creating a clan (these boards aren't the most active i guess) I will be looking to join a good clan... Heres my info...

I'm a very rounded player, with specialties in M79 and Ruger... I play any mode and I am a loyal, respecting person. I stick with clans til the end, and I'm sure I would be an asset to your team... I've been playing for about a year, but i learn fast...I live in NA, so maybe i can be another addition to your NA squad...

Hoodlum is in sk://.

Yeah he confused with another

quote:Originally posted by S4RHoodlum is in sk://.
Yeah remember I quit and went to sk? ;x

Oh, nice, a NA clan.
My name's Kevin. ((KvN)) is my name for Soldat. My main weapon skills is the M79. Also quite deadly with the Barret. I'm a multiweapon user, so depending on situations, I use different weapons. One of my choice for that is the Double Eagle. Team play? That's me. I team play on public servers a lot.

My contacts are:
MSN: d_1_kvn@hotmail.com
AIM (recommended): D1KvN
EMail: d_1_kvn@yahoo.com
XFire: xzrex

It's best if you EMail me first, so I can get on the IM's. I don't get on often.

Thanks a lot. I'm interested in trying out.

i forgot to mention, if you want a tryout, you must have irc, drop on at #oxid.soldat @ quakenet and highlight either me or r0x

well... neither of you is online...

That's a quite impressive member list you have there, matey.

I'm not a fan of big clans, and the way you divide it by divisions doesnt appeal to me.

bump, still searching, EU rooster is now full, we found a good down player! <3 Timmeh

but NA rooster is still pretty bare, hence why we are still searching for NA players, just drop into #oxid.soldat and PM me or r0x

SDted Official Soldat Clan

We are a very fast growing Soldat Clan with already about 30 members, which means that when there is a Clan Match, there will always be people to play with.

Please send your request to sdted.clan@gmail.com (short message with nickname, nationality and preferred weapons) or visit http://www.sdted.official.ws and go to the 'Membership' section to write a request!

OUR STATUS

NAME: SDted Soldat Clan
TAG: [sdted]
MEMBERS: 29
ONLINE: 1 month
RECRUITING: YES!
OUR MEMBERS: LOYAL, ACTIVE and GOOD
WEBSITE: http://www.sdted.official.ws
COMMUNICATION: Microsoft MSN Messenger (English)

Greetings

[IMAGE]

wtf? get your own thread? ehhhh

LOL he's bashin it, start your own thread with your sig who breaks the forums rules!! :o

i hate Jebusdude, he's ghey

You don't use irc damnation.

oh, didn't see that part Xd never mind then :p

Actually:

LEADERS:
Ox*AlexOner (EU div)
Ox*OverRaider.pt (EU cap)
Ox*r0x.pt (MAIN)
Ox*PoKuaN.pt (MAIN)

STAFF:
Ox*DarkFenix.pt

EU DIVISION
Ox*G.pt
Ox*Timmeh.be
Ox*Avarax.de
Ox*Remedy.se
Ox*Snake.nl

NA rooster (so far)
Ox*BobJustBob.us
Ox*Noz.ca
Ox*Mystwander.ca
Ox*PremiumKill.us

We're looking for a NA DIV leader too..

Come to Ox, they have cookies and cute portugisian hotties!

quote:Originally posted by SDtedSDted Official Soldat Clan

We are a very fast growing Soldat Clan with already about 30 members, which means that when there is a Clan Match, there will always be people to play with.

Please send your request to sdted.clan@gmail.com (short message with nickname, nationality and preferred weapons) or visit http://www.sdted.official.ws and go to the 'Membership' section to write a request!

OUR STATUS

NAME: SDted Soldat Clan
TAG: [sdted]
MEMBERS: 29
ONLINE: 1 month
RECRUITING: YES!
OUR MEMBERS: LOYAL, ACTIVE and GOOD
WEBSITE: http://www.sdted.official.ws
COMMUNICATION: Microsoft MSN Messenger (English)

Greetings

[IMAGE]


this guys a bleepin queer someone ban him

And his website sux like hell

Past experience vs Ox clan:

I was a member of clan Re, and we were facing Ox. On B2b we won, I took alot of jibes from there player Timmeeh but I carried on, like a soldier. Yes like a soldier I was, brave and courageous. We won the match very easily and choose Laos as our next map. Now this map was also very easy for our team. When we were about 5-1 up the player Timmeeh got the flag. I chased him low and when he got back to his base he used a commonly known hack, "the speed hack" and flew too his base, at an extreme speed. He then did /kill and tried to grab flag again, because he had low health. However I intervened and returned the flag. After this I died but I told everyone how Timmeeh had done this. Alexoner told me how he actually saw this incident and also Lightning from the Re clan witnessed it too, with about a minute left of the match all our players got banned. By the notorious Timmeeh. When I went to the oxid channel later I found out Timmeeh had been kicked for the "speedhacking" incident which alex witnessed. However Ox, r0x too this day continues too call me lame, he is there clan leader. And he says how timmeeh didnt hack ( even though he wasnt in the server to see the incident. And alex kicking him just wasn't enough proof for him .) And r0x also says that he was kicked for banning our players.. how naive he is.... thanks for reading.

If I was you guys I wouldn't touch Oxid with a 10 foot stick with (Please refrain from swearing) on the end.

"I am allways correct and if you disagree with me you are a retard."
first of all, because you're a retard, you have no reason.
2) you're so stupid that you just wanna (Please refrain from swearing) Ox* good reputation in community, we exist over the last 2 years, and we dont care about whiners, lamers and dumbass's like you say or try to do about us.
3) Jaz you retard, if CROUCH BUG is hack, then you have to buy a new pair of glasses, you moron.
4) Alex THINK he saw him speedhacking, because he saw him flying crouched, but that's possible, and Ox*Mysterious Wanderer saw him bugging and said "that's not hack".
5) TImmeh is too good without hack, why he would hack? to PWN more? ^^
6) you retard, you didn't won "easily" because we TIED b2b 2-2, you're so moron.
7) if i was TIMMEH i will ban you same from SERVER, because you whined WHOLE CW (3 rounds), insulting us (Ox*) and calling Timmeh hacker. if you dont have proves (and you dont), STFU and get a life. we dont care if you have problems with TIMMEH being better player than you or if we're better clan than you, we lose CW, and i ADMITED THAT, is in our SITE and that's not make that RE - is better than us.
8) we dont accept CW's from clans that WHINE WHOLE CW's, soldat is 4fun, not for insulting in match and screwing CW's
9) Timmeh will stay @ OXid forever if he wanna, we like him and hes nice guy (a little whiner but, comparing him to Jaz, hes a little whinner..)
10) Jaz, you're the most lamest soldat player i've saw @ community.

-- if we or our players were hackers, why nobody said that in this 2 years pasted? maybe because you're a damn lier?

;)

Poo :( Misread, but not in that way.

Anyhoo...my point still remains. This kind of banter is getting pathetic.

Actually i believe razor... Banning ppl for that is lame... So that really shows that TIMMEH was speedhacking but didnt want to admit it.

the geologist, if you know read, you might saw "first of all", that's "1st" counter for me.

is lame banning ppl, but is even more lame whine whole rounds and acuse som1 from a thing he didn't do.

ask the SPECTATORS.

---------- JAZ, THE LAME, WHINING Ox*, calling us n00bs and whining timmeh too ------------

[Re - JewLord] owned like we should do in b2b
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] i reported
[Re - eeneku] MY GOD GUYS
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] i am talking about that
[Re - zaJ] too many barrets :P
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Laos or Voland?
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] we need tied map
[Re - zaJ] look hes at it again
[Re - JewLord] go your base
[Re - zaJ] just like when nbk beat apoc 10-0
[Re - JewLord] go your base noob head <- whine
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] (Please refrain from swearing) nbk?
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Map Laos or vol?
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] choose
[Re - zaJ] ox suck :D <- whine
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] i pefer Vol
[Re - eeneku] I'm crying
[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] map?
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] I say laos
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] i dont like alt in vol
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] e
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Laos?
[Re - zaJ] go away noob <-whine
[Re - zaJ] tactics
[Re - zaJ]
[Re - JewLord] go away
[Re - zaJ] ox lame clan :F <- whine
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Laos?
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] laos one def
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] u dont like vol up cuz u know u'll get owned by me
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] tactics?
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] plz
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] no way
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] no def no good
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] i am nto good at def
[Re - JewLord]
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] belive me we will win
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] WHAT MAP WE DONT KNOW
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Laos?
[Re - zaJ] like i just owned your whole team there
[Re - zaJ] b00n
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] whaha
[Re - eeneku] *krhm*
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Laos = good luck ;]
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] like u ever wil xD
[Re - eeneku] we pick laos
[Re - zaJ] like i just did :F
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) joining game (213.118.74.50:23083)
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) has joined alpha team.
70.31.7.58:23083 requesting game...
Re - eeneku joining game (81.209.110.79:1415)
Re - eeneku has joined bravo team.
Ox*MystWanderer (NA) joining game (70.31.7.58:23083)
Ox*MystWanderer (NA) has joined as spectator. <- spectator that SAW the bug, not HACK.
200.115.210.102:23083 requesting game...
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) joining game (82.172.82.164:2451)
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) has joined alpha team.
Ox*AlexOner (EU) joining game (82.46.102.130:3039)
Ox*AlexOner (EU) has joined alpha team.
Re - JewLord joining game (80.178.198.193:64449)
Re - JewLord has joined bravo team.
Re - zaJ joining game (172.214.129.244:23083)
Re - zaJ has joined bravo team.
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] i'm low
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] voland now
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] ok
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] i like blue
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] lol
/map ctf_Laos
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] no way
Laos
File request: ./scenery-gfx/BARREL.BMP
File does not exist: scenery-gfx/BARREL.BMP
File request: ./scenery-gfx/BUSH4.BMP
File does not exist: scenery-gfx/BUSH4.BMP
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] v
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] SPRAY? THEM
[Re - JewLord] wait
[Re - JewLord] wait
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] allways need to wait
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] i am not ti am
[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] ...
[Re - JewLord] i am not readt'
[Re - eeneku] omfg
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] blbalbla
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] ready?
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] ....
Ox*AlexOner (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] ye
[Re - JewLord] res now
/restart
/Restart
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] last time when you do this

--------------- LAOS ROUND -----------------

Laos

Ox*MystWanderer (NA) has left spectators
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] Incoming enemies LOW
70.31.7.58:4948 requesting game...
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] Enemy coming *UP* (2)
Ox*MystWanderer (NA) joining game (70.31.7.58:4948)
Ox*MystWanderer (NA) has joined as spectator.
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! inc -MID- X
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] (Please refrain from swearing)s Incoming
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Upway!
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] Enemy coming *UP* (1)
[Re - zaJ] hi noob
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] Incoming enemies LOW
[Re - JewLord] Stop The Camping!! It's ugly as hell :\
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Re - zaJ captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] EFC (Please refrain from swearing) running scared -LOW-
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] We Are Under Attack, *Defend* The Base!
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] We Are Under Attack, *Defend* The Base!
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Down
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! inc -UP- X
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] noes
Re - JewLord captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] warn plz
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! inc -UP- X
[Re - zaJ] needs two hits
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] yes u do
[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] dont cry now
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] We've LOST the Flag, *RUSH* their base!!!
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) returned the Red Flag
Re - zaJ captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] We Are Under Attack, *Defend* The Base!
Re - zaJ returned the Blue Flag
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] *Enemy* Flag Carrier Is Down!!
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] gj
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] take
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] plz
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Ox*AlexOner (EU) returned the Red Flag
[Re - zaJ]
[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] hii
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] dude ffs
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) returned the Red Flag
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) scores for Alpha Team
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] go dwon
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] i say take , take
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
Re - eeneku captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Middle
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] FFC DOWN!
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] (Please refrain from swearing)s Incoming
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Downway!
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Ox*AlexOner (EU) captured the Blue Flag
Re - eeneku returned the Blue Flag
Re - eeneku scores for Bravo Team
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
Re - JewLord returned the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] DONT LET THEM PASS
[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] nt
[Re - zaJ] hi camp <- nice
Re - JewLord captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Enemy Flagger going :
[Re - zaJ] hi camp <- nice
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) returned the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! are in teh -BASE- (SECURE!!)
Re - eeneku captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] FFC DOWN!
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] EFC (Please refrain from swearing) running scared -LOW-
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Be Ready to Cap...
Re - JewLord returned the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] -_-
Time Left: 5 minutes
Re - eeneku scores for Bravo Team
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] (Please refrain from swearing)s Incoming
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Downway!
[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] wow spray
Re - JewLord captured the Red Flag
Ox*AlexOner (EU) returned the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] gogo gj!
Re - eeneku captured the Red Flag
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] FFC DOWN!
(TEAM)[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] Our flag is going *DOWN*, kill him!
Time Left: 4 minutes
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] no one donw on them
Re - zaJ returned the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] immeh dony be lame
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Be Ready to Cap...
Re - eeneku scores for Bravo Team

---------- CROUCH BUG HERE --------------

[Re - zaJ] hahaha noob <- whine
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] it comes sometimes
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] dunno whut it is
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] (Please refrain from swearing)s Incoming
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Downway!
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! inc -MID- X
Re - zaJ captured the Red Flag
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) returned the Red Flag
[Re - zaJ] speed hack <- lie
[Re - zaJ] and owned
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] no its not
Ox*AlexOner (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Teh Base is clear.
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
[Re - zaJ] i caught you
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] dude?
Time Left: 3 minutes
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) scores for Alpha Team
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] sry msitke

---------- MYST is spec, and he SAW the bug, not HACK ------------

[Ox*MystWanderer (NA)] ..it's not speed hack
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] enemy (Please refrain from swearing)S! inc -UP- X
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
[Re - zaJ] camping noob <- whine
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] one is all we need
[Re - zaJ] get skill
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Middle
(TEAM)[Re - zaJ] Incoming enemies LOW
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] *Enemy* Flag Carrier Is Up!!
Time Left: 2 minutes
Re - eeneku returned the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] yu lost
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] omfg
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] Incoming Up
(TEAM)[Re - eeneku] Incoming UP!
Re - JewLord captured the Red Flag
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Enemy Flagger going :
(TEAM)[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] Downway!
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
(TEAM)[Re - JewLord] We are gonna cap, *DEFEND* the BASE!
[Ox*Snake.NL (EU)] die
Re - zaJ returned the Blue Flag
Re - JewLord scores for Bravo Team
/ban 7
Re - zaJ has been kicked and permanently banned
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) captured the Blue Flag
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] lalala
Re - JewLord returned the Blue Flag
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] i didnt do nothing
172.214.129.244:1462 requesting game...
/paise
[Re - JewLord] noob
[Re - JewLord] stop
/pause
[Re - JewLord] stop
[Re - JewLord] stop
/ban 5
Re - JewLord has been kicked and permanently banned
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] lalal
[Re - eeneku] hmm
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] i didnt do onthing
(TEAM)[Ox*AlexOner (EU)] ...
Ox*AlexOner (EU) has left alpha team.
[Re - eeneku] sry about them <- team member talking about his team mates, after they whined, and insulted our clan and members
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] i wont ban eeneku
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] he was nice :)
[Re - eeneku] thanks
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] rly
[Re - eeneku] I'm really sorry <- again
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] tell Jaz
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] to train a bit
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] and then give me some competition low
[Re - eeneku] okay
Ox*MystWanderer (NA) has left spectators
[Re - eeneku] bye
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] :D
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] well
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] gg
[Re - eeneku] :)
[Ox*Timmeeh (EU)] bye
[Re - eeneku] gg
Ox*Timmeeh (EU) could not respond (maybe cheating)
Re - eeneku could not respond (maybe cheating)
Ox*Snake.NL (EU) could not respond (maybe cheating)

---- JAZ, TEH LAME, (Please refrain from swearing)ED cw, with his WHINE, INSULTING ALL TIME Ox* and calling Timmeh HACKER, when he just got THE BUG -----
---- Jaz, you suck.
---- EOF;

WE ACCEPTED THE DEFEAT, timmeh banned them because they will win after all, and he cant support more whine and lies.

Sometimes when you go in to a crouch float, you still look like you're standing up to other people. Just a passing comment.

quote:Originally posted by VodkaZombieI'm not a fan of big clans, and the way you divide it by divisions doesnt appeal to me.

Even though we have seperate divisions, US can play in CWs with EU, and EU can play in CWs with US.

Heh, not even considering to join this, for bashing jaz!

On a side note, the crouchfloat makes your Soldier move faster, therefore it's a bug-abuse. Which is lame.

did u saw the phrase when TIMMEH said "it happens to me sometimes, i dont know how?"

sometimes i got the stupid bug too, and now?

You can get the bug to happen too, on purpouse.

i cant, because i dont know how, and i dont beleive timmeh got propose bug, because he dont need that .

if timmeh did get that bug he couldnt fire (happened to me... i know). so he got it off and shot The flagger. that was definately a bug abuse...

quote:Originally posted by STEELIXHeh, not even considering to join this, for bashing jaz!


yes, because everyone likes jaz right

haaaaahahaha

edit: website is back up, with includes all cw's, lost and won, despite what some lame clans say, i wont mention them though..

www.oxid.ws/soldat

Pfff, if not for bashing Jaz, it's for taking it all waaay too serious. I mean, hating someone... on the INTERNET!
Seriously, get a grip.

sure, who started it?

*scrolls up page*

AMAGAD IT WAS JAZ!!

seriously jaz, do what steelix said, get a grip

The stick bit made that ok.