theres m79's everywere and its pissing me off, im not sure about everyone else though, BUT I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE, i tell them to cool down all the m79's then their like 'BUT ZOMG IM SO SKILLED WITH IT I've BEEN USING IT SINCE 1995 I CANT SWITCH NOW' i tell them its way too easy to use and they start babbling things like 'BUT LIEKS IT NOT GOOD LONG RANGE' thats why you your supposed to get close to people before you m79 them you fregin shoobs, and its not like the soldat maps are THAT open anyway, theres corridors and tunnels all over the place. What does everyone else think about m79's?

I hate m79's, they're everywhere in publics.

And always have been. So why is it going to be the era now? Last I checked they're not that reliable and hardly a team-effective weapon for clan wars. Public is a place for people who like to use weapons that require more demand and risk, but because it's public, risk to nothing important.

Hey a complaint thread, this is new.
I kid moo.
Ive have noticed a sharp uprising in their usage, but Ive dealt with him, I just get em from afar.
I think in the next version they should be dealt with, perhaps a longer reload or maybe a delay similar to the law.

I've been using it since I started playing, I can't switch now

^It was a homage to your post :P
But yeah I myself didn't really notice that much change since im a m79 user, but I notice a lotta people complaining about m79s

you have a good reason karmazon, but you could notice the sarcasm in my post, most people lie about them using it from a long time ago, but i know you, and you have been using it for a long time, the people im talking about started using it this version for 5 minutes then thought they poon with it so they continued using it

Wow. If you are so easily killed by m79s its because you suck. Theyre so easy to dodge even if your mildly skilled.

yah their so easy to dodge mancer, especially when the whole of the other team is using them, so dam easy isn't it. you have no f*cken clue...

2-3 m79's in a server is fine but 6+ is too much...

dude moo (Please refrain from swearing)ing CHILL OUT MAN...........amagod ......anyways my opinion on m79...its fine..if you get ticked off about it...step away for a min..join another server.. or just find a counter to it..its as simple as that (i dont care if the entire team IS using it, theres a way to overcome it.......)

Man, I love that gun. I try to be original with it and get the craziest shots. I will even let someone run right past me so I can get a good shot on them.

M79 is barret -long range +Splash Damage. It can get annoying if they over use it.

quote:Originally posted by Sethamundoanyways my opinion on m79...its fine..

What weapon do you use?

you know back in 1.2.1 i used the barret and m79 ALOT! but now ive calmed down with the m79 and im trying to stop the AUTO POWER! one day the stery AUG will stop dead in its track...

frogboy...i use ak

EDIT: i dont spray..by no means...i usualy click really fast ..sometimes 3 shot or 2 shot burst...but i 99% NEVER hold the button down...sprayers still are fine in my eyes tho..nothing in soldat pisses me off..i think of it as real life..in the army...someone gets killed from a sniper ..if hes ur buddy, do you yell..(Please refrain from swearing)ING CAMPER ..?...no...so therefore nothing bothers me..

quote:Originally posted by The GeologistFirst it was the mp5, now it's the m79. Telling people that have no f*ckin' clue..that really helps your point. Let's whine about the barret while we're at it.

BARRET IS OVERPOWERED!!!!1

I love you sethamundo. Not really. But how you compared soldat to real life with complaining and stuff is what I do.
I usually say
"do real soldiers yell CAMPER!?!?!OMFG!?No.They don't." And They're like THIS IS A GAME THOUGH ,and thats all the more reason not to complain.
I never whine about weapons unless someones surfing with the minigun.m79 is fine.

this thread was not a plead for m79 to be nerfed, it was a plead for people to use it a little less... can we stop with 'm79 is fine' comments ;/

I don't get angry, but it does get annoying if a whole server is relying on one shots.

I agree...
It's no longer the barret, but the m79.

You must admit, any weapon with a very short arc is incredibly fun to use. Deagles, M79 and Spas come to mind. Sure, it sucks when people are blasting you away point blank again and again with an M79, but to use it as a midrange gun is enjoyable, to say the least. The way your shots just sort of seem to "sink" into an enemy with an arced weapon is probably the best feeling in the game.
As for overuse, is it? I really haven't noticed. All I can say is you may have bad luck in server selections as of late. Let's please not turn this into an "issue" that really isn't that big of a deal...

quote:Originally posted by m00`this thread was not a plead for m79 to be nerfed, it was a plead for people to use it a little less... can we stop with 'm79 is fine' comments ;/


So this thread is just to b-tch about how you can't beat m79s?

Figure out a new stategy. There is a strategy for everything.

If you can;t beat 5-6 m79s, then try to take them 1 at a time, and try to get out of their range or dodge them with moves on the ground.

There's way too many of them and the weaker other weapons in 1.3 supports the use of the m79 and barret should be encouraged the other way.

M79s shots arent THAT hard to dodge, especially knowing the m79 inside and out like I do. It's all about movement and changing movement. Surprise them. Roll around on the ground, stop right in your tracks and back up. Use a strategy. The reason that people do bad in this game is because they dont think. If you just run straight at a m79'er, it will be an easy shot for him.

lolz love me.....rofl........anyways..ya i really do think of soldat that way...thats why u never see me (Please refrain from swearing)ing on the forums XD

quote:Originally posted by _Mancer_quote:Originally posted by m00`this thread was not a plead for m79 to be nerfed, it was a plead for people to use it a little less... can we stop with 'm79 is fine' comments ;/


So this thread is just to b-tch about how you can't beat m79s?

Figure out a new stategy. There is a strategy for everything.

If you can;t beat 5-6 m79s, then try to take them 1 at a time, and try to get out of their range or dodge them with moves on the ground.


what are you talking about? this thread is about there being too many m79's and how there needs to be people using more than just m79, m79, m79.. m79...

anyho m79's are not easy to dodge unless your far away from them, and no one uses an m79 in long range unless their terribly stupid, and what happens when your in a tunnel like the ones in ctf_equinox and ctf_run? as i said soldat maps arn't open their very closed, there is polygons everywere, its not THAT hard for an m79er to aim, but what pisses me of is the people using m79 and claiming their gods at it after playing 5 minutes.

Its a hard weapon to use dude.. and I dont see m79s everywhere.. maybe one every once in a while.

go to an australian server one day mancer ^___^

I see it a lot, maybe that's especially because barret is disabled on our pubby and people appearantly can't leave their one shot death weapons. But it's getting used double as much as any other weapon except the nades ( on our pubby that is ) and there are times I see everyone running around with an m79 except for 1 or 2 people. As suggested somewhere on the forums before, being able to put a limit on weapons would be a lovely solution.

quote:"do real soldiers yell CAMPER!?!?!OMFG!?No.They don't."

Soldat is a game... how many times does this need to be said. Games are supposed to be fun and it gets ruined so we complain.

I don't seem them as much on realistic as I do on regular. They are very scary on it.

quote:Originally posted by Chakra`I hate m79's, they're everywhere in publics.

And always have been. So why is it going to be the era now? Last I checked they're not that reliable and hardly a team-effective weapon for clan wars. Public is a place for people who like to use weapons that require more demand and risk, but because it's public, risk to nothing important.


I couldn't express my opinion better ;*
I play m79 notoriously but when I'm about to play cw I rarely choose this weapon

quote:Originally posted by m00`go to an australian server one day mancer ^___^


I'd rather not have a 200-300 ping.

Lets see.

About the m79 dodging topic. Yes, they are easy to dodge - even in tunnels, all it takes is a perfectly timed jump or duck. From a long distance, its impossible not to dodge it unless you dont see it coming. Unfortanately, if they're right up in your face, its about 90% impossible to dodge, unless they somehow shoot in the opposite directions. Other times, you cant think quick enough to dodge a mid range m79 shot, and it just nails you before you manage to make a move.

The one thing that concerns me in soldat, is that as i have stated over and over, people are now using one shot kill guns because of a superiority they have over every weapon, do to the nerfing done to all weapons. Privates usually dont fill up with them and in scrims/cw's you only see 1-2 m79ers/barrets total. Pub servers however, are always filled with players using m79s, its quite often ill be the only person not using an m79, or in some cases barret.

The only thing I can say is, I want people to stop being lame so I can visit pubs too. Unfortanately, they wont, and probably never will, unless by some miracle michal fixes the balance again, or goes in each server and tells them to stop using it. The only other solution you have is to stop going to public servers. EVERY public server I guarentee has 4 m79ers or more, not considering the probability of campers and barretards in the mix as well. If you want to see less whoring, go to privates, or buy your own server and disable it.

Sounds like it's just an Australian problem when you put it that way m00`...

I've came to servers full with barrets, then m79s, then autos. Then DE. All in this version. It's a "nothing" era. It just depends who, where, and what.

It's not an era, it's just a fashion. Sooner or later some people will become bored of barret / m79 and they will start using other guns again..

But I agree that situation on most publics ( in Europe ) sucks now, it's either barret party or m79 party ( .. on servers with barret disabled :p ) .. most annoying -/

I'm moving ahead of fashion!!!!! Or going back, i used to use the m79 every time i played soldat... now i use teh mp5 11!1!11!!!!!!!!!

God... Take ruger, or any weapon with longer range, and when you see m79ner, just jump backwards a little and it shouldnt be that hard :|

I dun have problem with m79... Actually, i dont have problems with any weapon now... (Dont ask after lost cw ;<)

Hey, don't diss the M79...M79 is my buddy. And in reality, you do need a bit of skill to use it really effectively, just like you need a bit of skill to use the AUG or Ruger effectively. I never understand why people (Please refrain from swearing) and moan about others using a weapon; there will always be noobs that try and fail, but you don't have to blame it on the gun. Next month it'll be the shotgun, or the Barret, or whatever.

I have a neat little term now for the over popular m79 and barret users when i stroll into a public server and notice im the only one not using one.

"Pub nubs"

:D

I've noticed that the M79s are getting more popular, but they aren't too annoying. They're easy to dodge and everyone uses them closerange, so it ends up being kinda pathetic to watch.

Myself, I love using the '79 for long/midrange shots, especially when I pick people off with Gunbound-esque air shots, or have fun with ricochetting bullets and bounce it along the floor until it hits someone. For regular play, though, it's just boring.

I never run into "Pub-Nubs"


=P

Mod it into a dildo and chuckle at the n00bs running around with a big, purple (Please refrain from swearing)stick.

quote:Originally posted by Captain BenMod it into a dildo and chuckle at the n00bs running around with a big, purple (Please refrain from swearing)stick.


Lmao. That reminds me of kaz changing the saw to look like a giant (Please refrain from swearing). Im curious as to when his movie will come out.

And bond, how the hell do you not run into pub nubs? They're everywhere i turn. :F

Many people use M79 because it is the coolest weapon. I can't blame them.

ive been using m79, among a few other weapons (but m79 has always been the main thing) for a little over 2 years now. i dont see where they are a problem in this version. i can usually dodge their grenades quite easily at sometimes close, most of the time medium, and almost always at long range. ive been recently attempting to develop more evasive maneuvers that would make it harder for a person to aim at you. but yeah, for the record, this is exactly what i said would happen if the autos got nerfed. and while i dont think the autos are that much harder to use at all, most people just wont take the time to learn them.

quote:Originally posted by reckon
I think in the next version they should be dealt with, perhaps a longer reload or maybe a delay similar to the law.


Maybe if they did put a longer reload on it, and tweaked it a bit so that you couldn't fire near as often, it could become a secondary weapon.

quote:Originally posted by AquariusMany people use M79 because it is the coolest weapon. I can't blame them.


Exactly. I have so much fun when I use the m79. Killing isn't all there is to the gun. When your good, you start to feel a flow with it, like your dancing or something. When you master the m79 jumps you can do awesome things. It's not always hard to kill with the m79, but it IS hard to be good with it. I always listen to music while I'm playing and I find myself trying to blow people up to the music. It is by far the most fun weapon there is.

I hate M79s. Not for any legitimate reason. I just do. Oh, and the LAW. ^_^

Long live the Spas!

~TheRelinquished

Well M79 has one big disadvantage: shots not registering that boost players. And i love when i get boost by a m79. :D

Damn guys, everyone has to complain about every weapon.
And i´ve never, ever seen 6+ ppl on a public using m79 all the frikking time!
I think the Weapons are OK the way they are now, and im bored of some guys complain about weapons which are "totally overpowered".
I use the m79 too, but im not specialist in shooting with it!
And for gods sake: Stop this whining about every weapon which is overpowered im sick of it -.-.


It´s just a game :D

quote:Originally posted by MikeShinoda.pheonix[quote]
Exactly. I have so much fun when I use the m79. Killing isn't all there is to the gun. When your good, you start to feel a flow with it, like your dancing or something. When you master the m79 jumps you can do awesome things. It's not always hard to kill with the m79, but it IS hard to be good with it. I always listen to music while I'm playing and I find myself trying to blow people up to the music. It is by far the most fun weapon there is.


WHOA....that's me.

m79 is the coolest gun, because you can do other stuff with it than killing

quote:Originally posted by The GeologistSounds like it's just an Australian problem when you put it that way m00`...


yah thats why im asking if everyone else is having the problem, these are the weapon statistics of enesce corp australian server

http://server1.enesce.com/~soldat1/statsweapon.php

haha, couldn't help but notice you're on the list of top victims of m79

the enesce corp stats are a bit screwed, i think only the weapon stattistics update, most of the other stuff doesn't so the victims thingo and kills might be from a long time ago so i think my m79 deaths would be a lot more by now :P enesce is waiting for flies to fix it :o

You guys never stop whining do you? Could just as well have been another weapon you were talking about.

Me myself is a proud M79 user and have been for a long while. Have no intention to stop using it and neither have I noticed some kind of present M79 era.

Go on any public ctf, and I guarantee you in a room of 16, at least 2 on each team will park their asses with a barret waiting for you, while another jumps around with his m79 trying to blast you.

I've tried to organise group charges, usually you can find one person who knows how to listen, as for the rest, well.

As for deagles being short range, I used to only use that gun, and I had the arc known like the back of my hand, I could pick off people right off my screen.

The m79 one on one is so easy to dodge just jump quickly and use jets a good enough distance away from then, they then have to time the arc, speed, and placement of you in order to nail your character in open area.

i use the m79 on close quarters maps such as kampf or voland. i use the burst the ak on larger maps such as b2b or run. that is my strategy

quote:[i]
The m79 one on one is so easy to dodge just jump quickly and use jets a good enough distance away from then, they then have to time the arc, speed, and placement of you in order to nail your character in open area.


Wierdly enough, I suck with the M79 unless I'm in this situation. If somebody's stationary I have a lot of trouble gauging the arc, but if they're jetting towards me or flying up in front of me I can just peg 'em easy as pie. I guess I just get into the rythm more easily when the game's moving fast...

Lol. I just searched myself on the stats and I'm 214th out of... 283.
Kills: 597
Deaths 677
And I've got almost twice as many kills with the knife than I do with the deagles!
So as you can tell, I'm pretty crap at CTF.

CTF isnt about the kills, its more of how well you work with your team to beat the other team, even if you dont cap, its as long as your helping your team cap, which includes covering the ffc, returning the flag, etc...

Anyways, i really dont have a problem with the m79. In 1.2.1 I easily could maintain my sanity against m79ers because there was a maximum of 2 in each server, rather 10. Now, in 1.3, they're everywhere. The gun is overpowered vs pretty much every gun, and im quite sure the other 95% of m79 users dont dance to the m79, rather just use it as an excuse for the fact they cant use the new weapon changes for crap.

quote:Originally posted by Extacide
Anyways, i really dont have a problem with the m79. In 1.2.1 I easily could maintain my sanity against m79ers because there was a maximum of 2 in each server, rather 10. Now, in 1.3, they're everywhere. The gun is overpowered vs pretty much every gun, and im quite sure the other 95% of m79 users dont dance to the m79, rather just use it as an excuse for the fact they cant use the new weapon changes for crap.


Sir, I find that you have a two feet stick up your ass about the M79 and Barret.
Soldat has 10 (ten!) primary weapons, 4 (four!) secondaries, and grenades (which I'm sure you noticed, come by default). The game also has two features, called Bink and Self Bink, which are there to maintain a perfect weapon balance, that's why Soldat has 10 and not 8 primary guns. It's not the people using M79/Barret who are seeking excuses, it's people like you, since you can't ditch your regular hit-and-run tactic for a few seconds while you encounter a one-shotter.
Publics are full of people who use their favourite gun to screw around, therefore fad weapons, such as M79 and barret will be a majority. If you play a CW, you won't see a team using those weapons only winning, that's why the one shotters are used mostly on alternative routes only.

If anything its the uprise of "miss with guns and grenades... *whipoutknifekill*" people. :<

You will always hate the things that you don't do well against. Get it through your (Please refrain from swearing)ing minds...

*Gasp* A voice of reason!

quote:Originally posted by _Mancer_If anything its the uprise of "miss with guns and grenades... *whipoutknifekill*" people. :<


Urgh hell yes, yesterday i was on ctf_kampf , the alpha team have a huge advantage when it comes to the upper route, this guy had a barret,knife combo, and he'd shoot through the wall at people coming, and if that didn't work he'd knife.

later on someone used a knife/m79 combo, he'd shoot at us if we tried to climb up there, if that failed, he'd either wait for the gun to reload, if we charged him, he'd knife,then he would switch back to his m79 and drop nades down, forcing us to back away, then right after explosion he'd pick up his knife, and by then his m79 would be ready, thus creating a 1 hit wall.

I would have to say the M79 is the funnest weapon there is. I love it when I have the enemies flag, and someone misses me by an inch, and it blasts me into the sky. Or, when my friends and me mess around on the same team and go on the roof of B2b, and just push each other into the death polygons. Even making funny shots when you miss someone, but it happens to hit someone else.

I just don't understand why M79 is so bad, when 1/2 hits don't register.

*Skipped pages 1-3*

I don't know what you all are talking about when it comes to my favorite secordary. Knifing is the mad hot (Please refrain from swearing), and fun as hell. Don't drag it into this already cluttered debate.

quote:Originally posted by MikeShinoda.pheonixYou will always hate the things that you don't do well against. Get it through your (Please refrain from swearing)ing minds...


actually Mike you should read my post, im talking about there being too many m79's, not me having trouble killing m79ers

quote:Originally posted by GAMEOVERThere's way too many of them and the weaker other weapons in 1.3 supports the use of the m79 and barret should be encouraged the other way.


hi, i beat you 126-78 last time with m79, you ran.

m00, post this on the aus soldat forums if you problem is with aus..
http://un-hq.com/forums/index.php

also: most "new" m79 users cant use it anyway, unless you run up to them.

quote:I just don't understand why M79 is so bad, when 1/2 hits don't register.

other weapons have that problem to... it's just not as obvious as with one shot death weapons.

I don't mind the m79 that much except if it's used for camping or boosting, but it's kinda boring to kill and get killed with the same weapon all the time.

Obligitory "I hate one-hit-kill weapons" post.

EDIT: flame removed.

I find that barret users still dominate the servers im in. If a server has alot of m79s, I see it as a time for target practice and just stay out of their range.

Problem with staying out of their range, just as you uber dodge 4 m79 shots and 2 others were bugged and didnt kill you, the last one you never see coming. Its too insane with everyone using m79, and its rather lame.

Again, im fine with 1-2 m79s. Im not fine with 4-5 m79s.

@ Demonic: Yeah, all those primary's, and everyone sticks to two.

I find the m79 has indeed become more popular. And it is indeed easy to dodge when you're in an open area. However, the vast majority of places in Soldat are rather close-quarters, with a wall more often than not being nearby. These are the places where everyone on the server whips out the m79s and it turns into a game where it's nothing more than "spawn run run run fire some shots explode repeat." I guess some people like that kind of monotony, but I hate it. And all they have to do is hit anywhere near you--a task that the walls everywhere make easy. Or better yet, they can just blow you away at point blank and continue onward as if nothing happened; you'd think they'd blow up with you, at least.

I'm not saying m79s need nerfing, I'm not saying m79s are cheap, I'm just blowing off steam because its so annoying when you find them all over the place... Which is what this topic was apparently intended for.

In clan wars you don't see m79's very often, they're mostly being used for flag returning.

I think...
"omfgz people use m79 and it makes me very sad because i think everyone should play the way i want them to play by using the wapinz i see fit for them and im pissed cos i get killed by m79 a lot and the end of world is a coming in a shape of a metal tube and a largeass exploding bulit and some wood tooo!!!!1111eleven"
Get a grip on reality, build a shrine to Michael and pray that he nerfs the pipe of death for the next update.
Thats what i do for the barrrettt: its range will be 5cm because thats the furthest ive been getting killed with :)

i like m79. :D all to it

m79 is stupid.

Zamorak marry me, cos opposites atract!

i dunno, i like the m79, but i also use other guns, like the Mp5 (which is my fav) and i dont claim to be a god with the m79, but i am good with it, and i ESPIACALLY LOVE long range shots, they are just more pleasing when you kill some one from way far away, like the other day on CTF_Veit i was on blue, and a red grabbed the flag as i was jetting away and i launched a shot to the right and nailed the efc from 70 meters away, and like 2 seconds hang time, they guy was even off my screen, and i think nothing is more fun than that, and as for missing, then busting out the knife, that rocks too, whats wrong with it? am i just supposed to sit there while my gun reloads like a sitting duck for you to kill me? i think not, im gonna bust out that knife and stick it right in your dome, because thats fun too, and if i miss on that, yep im gonna throw some nades too, cause i AM trying to KILL you, not let you kill me, if you dont like it, use a new tactic. :D

Long range weapon users have less trouble with m79s than others. Being a deagle user myself I get killed alot by the m79 and it is frustrating.

Why does it always end up like this?

Certain weapons work well for certain people. That's all there is to it. Some people suck with the M79 and call it a "nubcannon" or whatever. Some people are amazing with it and kill the former mercilessly. It's all a matter of preference. Nothing any individual, or even any large group, can say will change the fact that in the hands of a select few the M79 is the best weapon there is, FOR those select few. Just let it go.

quote:Originally posted by _Mancer_Wow. If you are so easily killed by m79s its because you suck. Theyre so easy to dodge even if your mildly skilled.


Wow you seriously believe your some God dont you? When an m79 gets shot at you, you sometimes jump right into it trying to dodge, some of us dont practice this skill all day because we have something called "lives" and play Soldat cause its fun and i forget to mention that is "Freeware" And yes there have been alot of m79's i say only way to get em, is to m79 them back down, and its just a game but its nice to win too but its not life *points at mancer*

in the pre-1.2.1 era, i used to loathe barretusers.. then in 1.2.1 m79 became my absolute top object of hate.. i had hoped with the new version ppl would use it less (seeing as it has been made a little harder to use, but then again, what weapon hasnt) but hey.. its worse than ever imo!

Still, anyone who says m79 is "hard" to use imo just has no clue.. I'm usually a "rugertard" but every once in a while it happens you pick an m79 up by chance, and its really really easy to get a bunch of kills in before someone with an auto takes you down or similar.. anyway, my 2cts on the subject, make m79 harder or take it out completely ;D

Free, I think you're oversimplifying it. Unless you're only playing in tight maps like Voland or Kampf, the M79 can be a real (Please refrain from swearing) unless you're good with it. Here's a good way to have some fun: give a nub a M79 and let him loose on b2b. I bet he'll rack up the kills so fast it'll make your head spin.

That was sarcasm, btw.

Saying the M79 is hard is like saying the knife is hard... None of the weapons are very hard to use aside from the ones that dont do enough damage. Right now I think all of the one hit kill weapons are a bit powerfull, the barret is a bit better because of how inacurate it can in motion and the self bink. But the M79 and knife are brutal, soldat is mostly a close quarters game, you cant even see far enough to make any of the long range guns any better than the short range ones most of the time. I suggest giving some weapons a longer view range than others, the AK and ruger for example should have a slightly longer range. The eagles, and shotgun should pack the most punch but their view range is a bit shorter than the current.

I think that would be a really good way to fix balance issues my-self.

havin a better arc/next to none i think would help improve the overall value of long range weapons, thus giving an advantage over m79ers, snipe runners, and being able to keep your distance from knifers.

First thing I thought when I saw this topic is: "I see Barret used more."

I'm not good at long range, so I usually just chuck grenades of my own at them and charge bursts of MP5 lead down their throat.

(Trust me, MP5 is a wonder in close range! :P)

i really dont care about m79s i mean there only another gun

i mean ppl say to me ak noob and stuff cos i pwn with ak be i dont care i mean yes m79 is over used but if u think about t isnt every gun. m00' dont whine i was in a server with u and u were usen m79

m00' is right about the Aus servers, most of the time you'll find me around, capping M79 nubs with my Iron phallus of death..ahem..Ak-74, because they are the only ones there.

It can get very boring, and I will often endure the 300 ping just to play on a Europe server with no '79's, or even worse, run my own server and just beat the crap out of everyone because they have 500+ pings.

The sad thing is, even when you beat them into oblivion, they still use the '79 (or god forbid, the barret) because they don't have the ability to use any other weapon.

--n00b crushing loser

I find that theres an overwhelming number of m79ers on the U13 servers, especially the public east 24/7.
I use the m79, I wont deny it; its to get back at those whoring it.

quote:Originally posted by reckonI find that theres an overwhelming number of m79ers on the U13 servers, especially the public east 24/7.
I use the m79, I wont deny it; its to get back at those whoring it.


Yep...me too...

Kinda sad though, I havent used my faithful Minigun in a while since I'm gettng blasted by one hit killers so ofton.

The M79 is one thing but the knife in DM is another. That thing needs a nerf so (Please refrain from swearing)ing bad it's funny. I pritty much use it as my primary now.

Just because you own with it in DM?! .. c'mon, how many tough enemies have you really had in DM.. 7? 10?

Anytime I join a DM server, it's m79/barret/ak all the time.. I'm bored usually after 5 minutes..

I completly agree with the "over use of the m79" i especially hate it when people use it on rs servers they kill you even if they miss a little. One person uses it then everyone else uses it to get back at them, its a growing trend. Maybe the reload time for it should be lenghtened, however this wouldnt make to much difference.

M79 also messes up the play speed imo. I spend half my game chasing those (Please refrain from swearing) around the map as they try and set up traps for me. Ive started to just go the other way when an M79 users runs :|

And Lao Wu Ten have you played me before? Not a bash or anything, just curious.

I don't know, I have bad memory for names :p .. the point is that DM is imo pointless and has always been no matter what action game I was playing..

My experience from UT/Q3A/Soldat is that the quality of gameplay on DM servers is usually low and therefore saying something is strong there and needs 'nerfing' is, uh.. wierd :p

All I play is deathmatch, public capture the flag (Please refrain from swearing)ing sucks and no one plays the other modes of play aside from DM and CTF. Basically If I have bark out orders at team of morons then im just not having fun. I dont like clan play either, too serious for my liking.

Did the beta testers even play deathmatch to balance the weapons out? It's pritty much like this... Fall out of the lead, use MP5 get back in the lead. Pick your fav gun. Guy who you surpassed starts using MP5 unstead of his fav gun. Opponent takes the lead goes back to fav gun... repeat. Now theres some players who use the MP5 almost exclusivly and they usualy always win.

Also if you dont pick the knife as your secondary, dont pick a secondary at all. As soon as you get close to a knife wielding soldat... Your dead meat. Terrible balance in DM, better balance in CTF.

[quote]Originally posted by VendettaAlso if you dont pick the knife as your secondary, dont pick a secondary at all.

*tightly clenches Socom, Chainsaw, and law*

NEVER! I WILL NOT GIVE AWAY MY CHILDREN!!!

That reminded me that I hardly ever use the knife as much as I used to...(btw I shall never negelect my law even with the 0.3, or... 0.4 second delay)

quote:Originally posted by Mister Angry[quote]Originally posted by VendettaAlso if you dont pick the knife as your secondary, dont pick a secondary at all.

*tightly clenches Socom, Chainsaw, and law*

NEVER! I WILL NOT GIVE AWAY MY CHILDREN!!!

That reminded me that I hardly ever use the knife as much as I used to...(btw I shall never negelect my law even with the 0.3, or... 0.4 second delay)

And invisible rocket :p I think the law is good now, they just need to kill the knife a bit.

yeah ok i jus got back from a deathmatch it had 10 ppl in it and 7 m79ers 2 barretards and 1 aker<---me i started to pwn up with ak then all the m79ers started to come i had 21 deaths and 41 kills when all the m79ers came i had 49 kill and 61 deaths at the end all the m79s had like 50 kills 11 deaths and crap i mean.......

they really need to make it weaker and a scoundary its jus to strong and over used


or every sould use the ak to stop the m79ers and mak ak the pwnage gun muahahaha ak for eva

*sigh* I got a solution: DONT Retaliate with the same weapon -_-; Use a non 1 shot kill primary that works the most effective against the gun. 25% of the players using m79s and barrets use them to counter, 50% because they cant use any other gun for (Please refrain from swearing) now (or ever) and the last 25% are usually just using m79 and barret to play around with, or to practice them (Im fine if theres only 1-2 of these people, but the whole game? O_O;)

I demand that michal makes a 1.3.1 -_-;

Maybe it's since I just started playing again after 1.3, but I feel like there's tons of unwarranted whining going on over the M79. Anyone who can "only" use an M79 (I never see this) should be an easy kill regardless, and anyone skilled using an M79 should be respected for it.
I personally feel it was worse a few years ago, when Soldat used to be pretty much wholly M79/Barrett matches... but it was still fun.

Why be respected for going with the flow, using one of the easiest primary's to use. sorry to say this, but the m79 isnt THAT hard.

Don't be sorry, its definetly not hard.

quote:Originally posted by ElGat0Don't be sorry, its definetly not hard.

its really not, except learning how to fit it in small passages and hit the target

quote:Originally posted by ExtacideWhy be respected for going with the flow, using one of the easiest primary's to use. sorry to say this, but the m79 isnt THAT hard.

It's not being respected for going with the flow, it's being respected for killing you. If someone gets a few lucky shots on you then sure, they're "going with the flow" and aren't deserving of any respect, but if they're beating you, and you consider yourself a decent player, then yes, they deserve your respect. It doesn't matter how hard it is to use whatever weapon you use, it matters how many kills/caps you get.
I just don't like people whining about weapons, that's all.

They deserve my respect? Pfteh. Rarely am i compelled to compliment m79 shots, considering the m79 has such a major advantage with a fast reload. I'll respect the person if they can use some OTHER weapons, being what fun is it using the most powerful gun in the damn game to kill the weakest guns, its no challenge. Btw, its not ass kicking, definetly not ass kicking. The term you're looking for is "whoring", as in they use it consistantly. I just look at '79 (Please refrain from swearing)s as your typical lamer.

Hey Extracide, it's not so hard to kill an m79 user from a distance with pretty much any other weapon. I'm sure you already knew that though, being the all-knowing genius that you are.

Its not, but if they zoom in on you at top speed, you're an easy kill. Plus, you have to consider their aim.

And when did I ever claim to be a genius? Its called an opinion.

well most CTFs ive played are mostly:
modded lagging waists off bandwith
full of m79ers (you can't do much because there are 90000000 of them)
uneven teams with a bunch of (Please refrain from swearing) (Please refrain from swearing)es
full of m79ers with a wepons mod so they are shooting 20 (Please refrain from swearing)ing bullet/bomb/grinade shots

its not an era, its an infection

I can duel any fvckin' M79 hater from this thread: but only if he will use M79 and I will be able to choose any other weapon. And we will see if M79 is so "cheap and easy" as you whiners say.

Or maybe you should just let this thread die. I like the sound of that better.

it's not a matter of skill with one weapon (for me) it is the skill with all weps
example: a barretard is not a person who uses barrets a little bit, a barretard is a person who sucks with all weapons and never uses them constantly.
the complaint here is that alot of people always use the m79 without ever changing weps and it can get very annoying very quick.

quote:Originally posted by a-4-year-oldit's not a matter of skill with one weapon (for me) it is the skill with all weps
example: a barretard is not a person who uses barrets a little bit, a barretard is a person who sucks with all weapons and never uses them constantly.
the complaint here is that alot of people always use the m79 without ever changing weps and it can get very annoying very quick.


Just what I was thinking 5 minutes ago...

I hated the M79 in 1.2.1, but I think I'll try it now...

i hated m79 in 1.2.1 but no more

The m79 IS easyer to use then most weapons its in the same class as the barret with its 1 hit kill except ive never seen an m79 camper. Even when I 1st started playin I used m79 for its easy kills and easy learning. But then again m79 is kinda hard if your going up against a ton of people that 1 shot will force you to either be good with your hand nades or a secondary, unfortunatly I have yet to come across one really good m79 player doubt they can get better then a 1;1 k;d unless they base camp :/

The sentiment that us "m79-haters" have I think is very well voiced by A-4-Year-Old; The problem isn't that one dude with a m79 can own everyone else on the server, it's that everyone and their dog seem to be using the things exclusively, and it really does get annoying.

The thing that gets me the most though is that I personally find that the m79 is just not any fun to use. When I first started playing Soldat, I saw the barret and stuck to it, as any new player would. Then, I saw the m79 in action, and started using it exclusively. Then I realized that I wasn't having any fun because the game had been an infinite loop of spawning, instakilling someone, getting killed, and then repeating. That's when I took the first step to being a decent player and left the instakillers behind me, instead focusing on a less predictable weapon. That turned out to be the ruger, which I got pretty decent with, and then I made the final step and started using a variety of weapons, depending on the situation. As I took each step, I found myself enjoying the game more and more as that variety and unpredictability rose. I look back on when I first started playing, and I can't help but wonder how anyone can have fun playing like that.

It's not the m79 itself that makes someone lame, it's their exclusiveness in its use. Same goes for barret, mp5, minigun, knife, and any other weapon.
I'm not impressed by one-trick ponies; you have to kill me in a number of ways to get my respect... 'Cept maybe chainsaw, but you gotta be able to own God with the thing.

whenever I want I can pick up an m79 in a public server and win, with no experience what-so-ever. Point given, case dismissed.

I Saw a round with 23 ppl 23 of them were m79ers :/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I use M79 for a long time (about 3 year and half) and i must say that this weapon is really great cause realy easy to use.
But now im specialist of MP5 which is a really great automatic weapon.

I use m79 with m72... I dont know whether I'm a noob or not but I love the curve and lob shots..makes me feel good, and if someone decides to take me from long distance i got my law ^_^

You know what? I wouldnt hate m79s or barrets so much if there wasnt so many of them. I'll always consider them both lame and stupid but I can stfu when Im not up against 4-6 of them. Out of all the 10 primary's to choose, people stick to an exclusive 2. *sigh* Whats the point of arguing.