yes the difference between the Barretard and a "rugertard" or (insertnameofgun)tard
-first tard is retard
-retards abuse weapons (reason for calling someone a barretard)
-most weapons ARE NOT abused sept for:
m79
barret
sometimes knife(not often)
-therefor there is no such thing as a "deagletard, mp5tard, aktard, stygrtard, spaztard, rugertard, minimitard, minitard, soccomtard, sawtard, lawtard.
-ABUSE is meant here as when a PERSON/TEAM uses lets say the barret, for such a long period of time that the player/s are never using any other weapons EVER even after being pwned by a auto user (never an autotard)

-HOW TO KILL A BARRETARD, this is not meant for killing a person with a barret but to stop someone from using it as often (unbarretarding)
1.kill him
2.kill him again
3.if he still uses a barret keep killing him until he is forced to use a different weapon to kill you, recommended weapon, mp5 possibly a minimi.

discuss

you seem to know a lot about tards

quote:Originally posted by Runeyou seem to know a lot about tards

Of course he does, it takes a tard to know another tard.
Can this topic be trashed? (along with a-4-year-old possibly)

what? you could trash a topic but why me?
you don't have to agree with me just add something to whatever is left of the discussion.

most people call other <insert-weapon-here>tard as not because they are abusing it, but the fact its the only weapon they seems to be able to use..
if someone does abuse a wep, like shooting through thin pollys with barret, the person who gets killed wont be like 'zomg barretard', but like 'AMAGAD WWTTF!!! YOU F0CKIN HAXX0RZZ OMFG!'

ya mp5 + knife combo works great agaist barrets but on some map it will not help

btw i have never and will never call any one a barretard or noob or whatever

Hey, rugertards exist I seen 'em. I cried.

You know what you got to love...when barretards call OTHER ruger users rugertards, and spell "RUGER" wrong. Its happens so often, I wont even bother making my immature comments.

Know what I do to barretards? Ill spawn them. Spawn the living HELL out of them. Its funny, at a ctf in b2b I spawned these 3 barretards with a spas for like 5 minutes straight, they were good enough to aim, just they couldnt reload fast enough. Thats my solution, that or teach newer players the benefits of using ALL weapons properly so they dont develop into a barretard.

If I spot a camper on my team, he can expect to be naded and spassed until he gets up, and 90% of the time they do. If they're going to be lame, so will I. Ive had it with them..

I just think that it's funny how every weapon has a 'tard atachment now. It used to be (as I saw it) that the barret was the only one where 'tard really fit in. You'll notice: barretard. It just seems to fit. Now we have 'rugertards' just because a bunch of folks may overuse the ruger. There's that bandwagon that people seem to be talking a lot about lately...

^i can imagine at this very moment,

"i hate XM214 Miniguntards, they piss me off. same with Stationary Guntards, they're so noobish..."

if someone ever sees either of these, make a topic about it in the lounge that will get 0 replies.

I hate combatknife and socomtards. Geez, those guys just need to die. Pick a fair weapon, like... erm... like...

The law or the chainsaw. C'mon. That law just NEEDS to be nerfed. And the chainsaw...newbies pick it up and own me, thats WAAAY too powerful. :(

Interesting fact: 'barretard' was first coined (as far as most people know) by old school 2wai leader n2j3. Some people thought it was me, as I was somewhat more of a 'anti barretard crusader' back then.

@Extacide: one well-aimed SPAS shell can kill an injured n00b or at least push back a Chainsaw user temporarily. And the LAW was nerfed...

quote:Originally posted by Keron Cyst@Extacide: one well-aimed SPAS shell can kill an injured n00b or at least push back a Chainsaw user temporarily. And the LAW was nerfed...


Errr, I think he was being sarcastic.

A-4-year-oldtard

quote:Originally posted by silly Suasag3A-4-year-oldtard



sry i forgot how to edit ppost but what i want to say is....
i dont call barret, barret anymore i call it overpoweredn00b0sorus[CENSORED]heapocrapstupidassmunch weapon and ppl who use it are barretardians

i remember how to edit againi hate u ur cool

I know Extacide was being sarcastic.



Anyway, there are always gonna be people who call other people tards because of what they use. An example would be the way weapons were in 1.2.1.

The autos in general collectively cover all ranges, so that without bink, there was an auto that was useful for nearly any situation. In fact, every weapon in the game (in my opinion at least) had equal potential. Barret and LAW for sniping, m79 for areas with lots of walls, chainsaw for up close, knife for a bit more range than saw, USSOCOM for an actual secondary gun, ruger for more open areas, DEs for uneven terrain, spas for close-range in tight spaces, HK-MP5 for close range with lots of people, AK-74 as a well-rounded but slower auto, steyr being the same but weak and fast-firing instead, minimi for long range, and minigun for narrow passages and support fire.

People complained about autos though, the word "sprayer" echoing throughout the servers... Actually, there were people who thought DEs were too strong, and others who said ruger was too strong, and others who complained about barrets as well. The only weapon I don't recall having anyone giving criticism over was the spas, which was fairly popular nonetheless. Suddenly, we've got every weapon in the game being too cheap! I even remember once meeting someone on a server who believed that every weapon in the game was cheap--except the one weapon he used, of course.

...Ah well, in the end it was the anti-autos who screamed the loudest, so they got the most attention. Besides the whole self-bink on autos thing, there was the decrease in power and reload for DEs and ruger, and then the shotgun, m79, and barret were relatively unchanged.
See a pattern? The more vocal people got about the weapon(s), the more said weapons got nerfed; it's a direct correlation.

Nowadays, it's the instakillers that get all the moaning about. Of course, whether the instakiller situation leaves us worse off than the auto situation (both problems possibly having not really existed in the first place) is a matter of personal opinion, my own being that instakillers are a bigger problem; I personally had nothing against autos in 1.2.1, though, and seeing as how I am me, and not anyone else, I cannot say whether I am just an exception or what-have-you.

In the end, it is quite simply human nature for those who are discontent to speak out, whereas those who are content remain silent--a classic example would be the "silent majority" during the Vietnam War, or those customer satisfaction cards at fast food joints that you never think to fill in until you're given the wrong order one day. That's why the changes from 1.2.1 were made, and yet are still questioned by at least some (although the sooth-saying has died down)--People only give feedback on what they believe is wrong, and since the majority of players were happy with the way things were, did not give any feedback. Thus, you have a minority of the player population getting their way because they were unchallenged, which had placed a cloak on what the true situation was (which we shall now never truly know).



Were things better before, are they better now, or has the "big picture" changed at all? Who really are the tards? We cannot know without devising a way to render a statistically objective analysis of the situation, which is something you'd have to force the many players in the population to cooperate for.

The only way I can think of off the top of my head to do that would be to force players to take a survey after having played Soldat for some set amount of time, and literally not letting them play the game anymore until that survey is completed and submitted.




EDIT: Clarified whom I was talking about at the start of the post, since 2 or 3 posts were made while I was typing up this one.

barret-n00b lol

Just out of curiousity, how does a knife tard operate?

I was wondering the same thing

Ugh, I can't stand people these days who call other players "barretards" or whatever.

People call others barretards because they are obviously frustrated at the fact that they were killed by a player who was just using a Barret and cannot accept the fact that they have been killed. But really, what difference are you making by calling someone a Barretard? They are most likely just going to ignore the childish insult and stick to the Barret. Yes It is annoying when a whole team or server is filled with Barret users, but really, get used to it 'cause you're going to end up in servers like that many times while playing soldat online.

Just suck it in, and accept the fact that Barrets are in soldat and they are going to stay in
soldat and that you wont be able to sway the weapon choice of many barret users. If you still cannot accept that fact, you should start looking for a server which has disabled the use of the Barret.

quote:Originally posted by Jap_manBut really, what difference are you making by calling someone a Barretard? They are most likely just going to ignore the childish insult and stick to the Barret.
Stop using Barret or I will keep calling you names!

I'm not going to quote you, 4-year-old. But you're wrong. Very wrong. Spas-tards do exist, the ones that will sit on a chokepoint (top path of CTF_Kampf on blue side) and spam anyone who comes by. That's tarding in the truest sense of the word. It's possible with any weapon. I could even LAW-tard if I really wanted to.

How?

You f**king guntards, using guns. Real man use fists. Pfft, such n3wb!ez.

(I'm sick of this guntard thing..)

quote:Originally posted by Captain BenHow?


Easy. Find a nice, concealed spot (grasses in CTF_Laos, behind a pillar low in CTF_Run, behind a bush/tree/whatever in b2b...many more) and pop off a shot. Wash, rinse, repeat. Sure, somebody'll find you, and it's a lot harder than barretwhoring. But I've done it.

And Lupis, you're wrong. Real men just kill people with their mind powers.

quote:Originally posted by Jap_manUgh, I can't stand people these days who call other players "barretards" or whatever.

People call others barretards because they are obviously frustrated at the fact that they were killed by a player who was just using a Barret and cannot accept the fact that they have been killed. But really, what difference are you making by calling someone a Barretard? They are most likely just going to ignore the childish insult and stick to the Barret. Yes It is annoying when a whole team or server is filled with Barret users, but really, get used to it 'cause you're going to end up in servers like that many times while playing soldat online.

Just suck it in, and accept the fact that Barrets are in soldat and they are going to stay in
soldat and that you wont be able to sway the weapon choice of many barret users. If you still cannot accept that fact, you should start looking for a server which has disabled the use of the Barret.


Suck it in? You shouldnt be pissed over a game, a game is supposed to be fun. All the fun is ruined because people suck and have to be lame, and go with what everyone else does. I swear, 1.2.1 was much better then 1.3. I had no problems with any gun, or I did but i didnt care enough to get worked up like i do in 1.3 now.


Who ever the hell complained about guns in 1.2.1 needs to die. Now, the guns got nerfed, and everybody is complaining once again because of them opening their damned mouths. Barretards need to look at the big picture and realize they're contributing to the lameness of 1.3.

P.S. Liber, T-money, you're BOTH wrong. REAL men use their power of peace to get along with everyone else instead of fighting. Put down some money and drugs and a bit of differences, then you got fighting.

Ive always looked at that "tard" thing that its a reference to a player who have specialised in use of one weapon.

Good thing about it: Youll get good using that verry weapon.

(Really)Bad thing: Youll suck using any other weapon (Wich will be crucial on sertain maps and gamemodes.).

man, this is hilarious...

let's just all agree that each weapon has a group of people that hate its guts. they're balanced pefectly. i think. what i'm saying is, they're balanced enough.

come on people, let's think. why are some weapons better than others, despite the endless rebalancing?

and so all the anti-deserteaglestards, anti-hkmp5tards, anti-ak-74tards, anti-steyraugtards, anti-spas-12tards, retards, anti-ruger77tards, anti-m79tards, anti-barretm82a1tards, anti-fnminimitards, anti-xm214miniguntards, anti-ussocomtards, anit-combatknifetards, anti-chainsawtards, anti-m72lawtards, anti-flamertards, anti-rambobowtards, anti-flamertards, anti-grenadetards, anti-clustergrenadetards, and anti-stationaryguntards put their heads together and thought for many days and many nights. and then the answer came!

each of the original maps are designed (probably not on purpose) to have a set of weapons that have an advantage in their own way. take b2b for instance. sniping points in the middle and at both bases. and abel, that stationary gun pisses a lot of people off. voila.

Barret doesn't give people a chance to live, THAT'S why it's retarded.

Are guns supposed give you a change to live :o Guns take lives.

In a game they should.

A "knifetard" is one who uses the knife as a primary weapon. AKA they storm an enemy base and use the knife before they user their REAL primary. But knife is excellent as a secondary, or as a tool to kill a FC right after they leave :P.
The best way to avoid knives is to ALWAYS sure sure you are ABOVE the knifer.
The only way they can get you if you are above them is if their knife is close enough, otherwise it will do not-to-much damage.

quote:Originally posted by Jap_manUgh, I can't stand people these days who call other players "barretards" or whatever.

People call others barretards because they are obviously frustrated at the fact that they were killed by a player who was just using a Barret and cannot accept the fact that they have been killed. But really, what difference are you making by calling someone a Barretard? They are most likely just going to ignore the childish insult and stick to the Barret. Yes It is annoying when a whole team or server is filled with Barret users, but really, get used to it 'cause you're going to end up in servers like that many times while playing soldat online.

Just suck it in, and accept the fact that Barrets are in soldat and they are going to stay in
soldat and that you wont be able to sway the weapon choice of many barret users. If you still cannot accept that fact, you should start looking for a server which has disabled the use of the Barret.


Suck it in? Yes It would just be so fun to play Soldat with every server filled with every person on the opposing force with a one hit kill weapon. Games are meant to be fun, not fusterating. True, you can't escape the annoyance certain things but...what I mean is How can you think it's enjoyable to repeatadly get sniped every 10 seconds without getting a chance to attack...

.....and is it just me or did my spelling take a dive since school started?

quote:Quote by T-Money
I'm not going to quote you, 4-year-old. But you're wrong. Very wrong. Spas-tards do exist, the ones that will sit on a chokepoint (top path of CTF_Kampf on blue side) and spam anyone who comes by. That's tarding in the truest sense of the word. It's possible with any weapon. I could even LAW-tard if I really wanted to.
Using available scenery and obstacles is a vital aspect of strategy in a shooting game. Granted, if people are forced to travel though that chokepoint with no alternate route, then it is probably a flaw in the map design. But I will still take advantage of it at every opportunity, because I expect my opponet to do the same and I usually intend to win.
quote:Posted by Meep
Are guns supposed give you a change to live :o Guns take lives.
That's my favorite part about them. :D
As soon as I turn 21, for my birthday, I'm buying a M1911 pistol and a fith of Jack Daniels.
quote:Posted by Rabid Hampster
...each of the original maps are designed (probably not on purpose) to have a set of weapons that have an advantage in their own way. take b2b for instance. sniping points in the middle and at both bases. and abel, that stationary gun pisses a lot of people off. voila.
Bingo. Game design at it's finest. Close quarters, wide open spaces, indirect fire, cover, concealment, whatever: Part of the game is picking the right weapon for the right job. If you picked a barett in Arena, I'd think you were retarded.

lieroguy, I'm not talking about strategic use of the environment. I fully support that. I'm [CENSORED]ing about people who just stay there the whole damn game and don't do anything else.

Ah. Alright.

Good.

Well, I find that those guys, while annoying as hell, can be killed with the right kind of strategy. IE, lobbing a grenade into a bunker and using the arc of an M79 to fire from cover.

Hahaha, m79 is more used than barret now. EASILY.

You haven't a chance in the world in small maps (or maps with tunnels)

quote:Originally posted by a-4-year-oldyes the difference between the Barretard and a "rugertard" or (insertnameofgun)tard
-first tard is retard
-retards abuse weapons (reason for calling someone a barretard)
-most weapons ARE NOT abused sept for:
m79
barret
sometimes knife(not often)
-therefor there is no such thing as a "deagletard, mp5tard, aktard, stygrtard, spaztard, rugertard, minimitard, minitard, soccomtard, sawtard, lawtard.
-ABUSE is meant here as when a PERSON/TEAM uses lets say the barret, for such a long period of time that the player/s are never using any other weapons EVER even after being pwned by a auto user (never an autotard)

-HOW TO KILL A BARRETARD, this is not meant for killing a person with a barret but to stop someone from using it as often (unbarretarding)
1.kill him
2.kill him again
3.if he still uses a barret keep killing him until he is forced to use a different weapon to kill you, recommended weapon, mp5 possibly a minimi.

discuss


I takes a tard to know a tard, right?

quote:Originally posted by UGKquote:Originally posted by a-4-year-oldyes the difference between the Barretard and a "rugertard" or (insertnameofgun)tard
-first tard is retard
-retards abuse weapons (reason for calling someone a barretard)
-most weapons ARE NOT abused sept for:
m79
barret
sometimes knife(not often)
-therefor there is no such thing as a "deagletard, mp5tard, aktard, stygrtard, spaztard, rugertard, minimitard, minitard, soccomtard, sawtard, lawtard.
-ABUSE is meant here as when a PERSON/TEAM uses lets say the barret, for such a long period of time that the player/s are never using any other weapons EVER even after being pwned by a auto user (never an autotard)

-HOW TO KILL A BARRETARD, this is not meant for killing a person with a barret but to stop someone from using it as often (unbarretarding)
1.kill him
2.kill him again
3.if he still uses a barret keep killing him until he is forced to use a different weapon to kill you, recommended weapon, mp5 possibly a minimi.

discuss


I takes a tard to know a tard, right?


I love people who defend their own with that comment. UGK, ive seen you a plethora of times and ive never seen you once without a barret or m79. =\ I swear, not ONCE. Im sure it takes a week to practice them, that I can understand, but jeez, can you pick up another weapon? That in my opinion, defines a 'tard'.

quote:Originally posted by Extacidequote:Originally posted by UGKquote:Originally posted by a-4-year-oldyes the difference between the Barretard and a "rugertard" or (insertnameofgun)tard
-first tard is retard
-retards abuse weapons (reason for calling someone a barretard)
-most weapons ARE NOT abused sept for:
m79
barret
sometimes knife(not often)
-therefor there is no such thing as a "deagletard, mp5tard, aktard, stygrtard, spaztard, rugertard, minimitard, minitard, soccomtard, sawtard, lawtard.
-ABUSE is meant here as when a PERSON/TEAM uses lets say the barret, for such a long period of time that the player/s are never using any other weapons EVER even after being pwned by a auto user (never an autotard)

-HOW TO KILL A BARRETARD, this is not meant for killing a person with a barret but to stop someone from using it as often (unbarretarding)
1.kill him
2.kill him again
3.if he still uses a barret keep killing him until he is forced to use a different weapon to kill you, recommended weapon, mp5 possibly a minimi.

discuss


I takes a tard to know a tard, right?


I love people who defend their own with that comment. UGK, ive seen you a plethora of times and ive never seen you once without a barret or m79. =\ I swear, not ONCE. Im sure it takes a week to practice them, that I can understand, but jeez, can you pick up another weapon? That in my opinion, defines a 'tard'.


Yes i can pick up another weapon. IM Practicing Autos and SPaz. I never use Deagles cause i suck with them.


EDIT: On yeah red stars.....i hate red...

quote:Originally posted by UGKquote:Originally posted by Extacidequote:Originally posted by UGKquote:Originally posted by a-4-year-oldyes the difference between the Barretard and a "rugertard" or (insertnameofgun)tard
-first tard is retard
-retards abuse weapons (reason for calling someone a barretard)
-most weapons ARE NOT abused sept for:
m79
barret
sometimes knife(not often)
-therefor there is no such thing as a "deagletard, mp5tard, aktard, stygrtard, spaztard, rugertard, minimitard, minitard, soccomtard, sawtard, lawtard.
-ABUSE is meant here as when a PERSON/TEAM uses lets say the barret, for such a long period of time that the player/s are never using any other weapons EVER even after being pwned by a auto user (never an autotard)

-HOW TO KILL A BARRETARD, this is not meant for killing a person with a barret but to stop someone from using it as often (unbarretarding)
1.kill him
2.kill him again
3.if he still uses a barret keep killing him until he is forced to use a different weapon to kill you, recommended weapon, mp5 possibly a minimi.

discuss


I takes a tard to know a tard, right?


I love people who defend their own with that comment. UGK, ive seen you a plethora of times and ive never seen you once without a barret or m79. =\ I swear, not ONCE. Im sure it takes a week to practice them, that I can understand, but jeez, can you pick up another weapon? That in my opinion, defines a 'tard'.


Yes i can pick up another weapon. IM Practicing Autos and SPaz. I never use Deagles cause i suck with them.


EDIT: On yeah red stars.....i hate red...


Hazaa! Another one has seen the light. BTW: If you suck with deagles, the only way to become good is practice. The only thing I can tell you is that if you're going up against barretards or rugers, practice wont do much for ya~

quote:
Suck it in? You shouldnt be pissed over a game, a game is supposed to be fun. All the fun is ruined because people suck and have to be lame, and go with what everyone else does.


Yes you shouldn't be pissed over a game, so don't. Just realise that players who use popular and overused weapons (m79 and barret in particular) are as much of the soldat community as you or I and their choice of weapon should be respected as everybody elses and they shouldn't have to take [CENSORED] from idiots who continualy call them Barretards or whatever insult players use to insult another.

quote:
I swear, 1.2.1 was much better then 1.3. I had no problems with any gun, or I did but i didnt care enough to get worked up like i do in 1.3 now.

Who ever the hell complained about guns in 1.2.1 needs to die. Now, the guns got nerfed, and everybody is complaining once again because of them opening their damned mouths. Barretards need to look at the big picture and realize they're contributing to the lameness of 1.3.


It's people like you that make Michal's job a hard one and give the rest of the Soldat community the [CENSORED]s, all you whiners ever do is complain about how the new version isn't as good as the old one and that the weapons you don't use has suddenly been powered up. Just face the fact, you whining about it isn't helping at all and isn't really changing anything at all.

Come on, atleast be greatful for the latest version, although servers may be littered with players who use M79's and Barret's atleast people no longer spray consistently with Auto's like the AK and Minimi. Also be glad the Michal is still continuing the creation of the game..

If you really cannot stand the "lameness" of 1.3 go play 1.2.1, atleast 10% of Soldat servers are still using v.1.2.1 so please don't whine about the latest version.

indeed the tools of your demise have been handed to you with the weapon modifiable option. so go play with your guns. find your niche. and stay there.

Once again, I sit down to write a long post about the Weapon Balance.
( Although I'm wondering to what end, some people will never be satisfied. )

Let's go back, back to 1.2.0. No bink effect was present in the game, and barrets had even less movement-affecting-accuracy. What does that recipe give you? Barret world domination. Then the beta tests came, and Michal introduced the bink effect. Beta testing folk were jolly happy, because barret was once again beatable with the weapons we used, namely the DE, Spas, ruger and M79.

Balance was overlooked. We didn't really test the balance, we tested the game itself.. but not the balance particulary.

1.2.1 was the era of hideous weapon balance: in clanwars, tides could be turned with 3 DE / autos easily and without a real effort. Barret became the odd-man-out, the weapon which became easy to beat and hard to master.

Then beta tests came again, and we redeemed ourselfes: testing the weapon balance the most we could, we created something that is near perfection. No more whining about guns after / in clan wars from those good people who can handle loosing.

But now, that the weapon balance isn't the main problem, it's the players who use the weapons. There are cheap tactics with every weapon: blindshooting with automatics, camping with barret, making hail with spas over some small hills.. it's not the balance, it's the players who use it.
The one shotters of today can't be compared to the M79 and barret of 1.2.1: they were simply shadows of themselfes, and if you expect that you can beat their users by treating them as those shadows, you will fail.

As for people using them a lot: can you blame them? It's simply cool to slay someone with one shot, and it works as a chain reaction among newbie minds: if they get killed by gun A, they think that gun A roxx0rz teh big oneone and will use it theirselfes. In a matter of minutes, a server will be filled with barrets / M79s. That's psychology, not a Balance-flaw.

quote:
But now, that the weapon balance isn't the main problem, it's the players who use the weapons.


Amen brother [BA]IamNotDemonics ;)
Amen.

quote:But now, that the weapon balance isn't the main problem, it's the players who use the weapons.

You hit the nail right on the head.

If every player balanced the use of each weapon, this game would be better. I think one of the main reasons people use only 1 weapon now, is that they might've used an auto and another weapon. This is what I did, and now I am retraining myself with an auto; some people might not want to relearn a style of play. So they use the only weapons that are "familiar" to them, the m79/barret.

im a loltard

quote:Originally posted by Jap_manquote:
Suck it in? You shouldnt be pissed over a game, a game is supposed to be fun. All the fun is ruined because people suck and have to be lame, and go with what everyone else does.


Yes you shouldn't be pissed over a game, so don't. Just realise that players who use popular and overused weapons (m79 and barret in particular) are as much of the soldat community as you or I and their choice of weapon should be respected as everybody elses and they shouldn't have to take [CENSORED] from idiots who continualy call them Barretards or whatever insult players use to insult another.

quote:
I swear, 1.2.1 was much better then 1.3. I had no problems with any gun, or I did but i didnt care enough to get worked up like i do in 1.3 now.

Who ever the hell complained about guns in 1.2.1 needs to die. Now, the guns got nerfed, and everybody is complaining once again because of them opening their damned mouths. Barretards need to look at the big picture and realize they're contributing to the lameness of 1.3.


It's people like you that make Michal's job a hard one and give the rest of the Soldat community the [CENSORED]s, all you whiners ever do is complain about how the new version isn't as good as the old one and that the weapons you don't use has suddenly been powered up. Just face the fact, you whining about it isn't helping at all and isn't really changing anything at all.

Come on, atleast be greatful for the latest version, although servers may be littered with players who use M79's and Barret's atleast people no longer spray consistently with Auto's like the AK and Minimi. Also be glad the Michal is still continuing the creation of the game..

If you really cannot stand the "lameness" of 1.3 go play 1.2.1, atleast 10% of Soldat servers are still using v.1.2.1 so please don't whine about the latest version.


Dont whine? Dont WHINE about this version?

Im sorry, but you need to get out of that little world of yours. 1.3, was a downgrade of 1.2.1. I know michal puts his own freetime into creating this game but this time he messed up.

The weapon balance is imperfect once again (according to 2736483279 players), The weak weapons that are forcing people to use them effing noob tubes, the Freaking LAG you get in every [CENSORED]ing server, the added bugs to the game, which I know michal cant fix as of yet but sheesh.

The new features are nice, but theres so many downsides to this damn version I cant stand it. Ive only been here since 1.2.1 so 1.2.1 imho was much better then this 1.3. I mean, atleast you dont have invisible nades and law shots with 2837654327 campers, barretards and m79 [CENSORED]s lurking around every corner.

You can say to just go back to 1.2.1, to just stop playing soldat if its so lame. Soldat used to be fun in 1.2.1. Barely anyone plays 1.2.1, no one I know plays 1.2.1, all the servers are in 1.3, you're forced to play 1.3 if you want anything done. I only play in the hope all of this will be fixed, and Soldat can be FUN again. Dont get me wrong its fun, but the frustration now that came with 1.3, its ticking me off.

Japman, I wont respect someones choice of a weapon, when they suck too much to use ANY other weapon, and add on to the HUGE population of tards in 1.3. Instead of taking a challenge and trying to harder, weaker weapons, they take the easy way out and use the simple, one-shot kill guns. They, will NEVER gain any respect from me.

@Demonic

I know what you guys are trying to do, and I honestly support evening out the game. The problem is, you gave people an excuse to use m79 and barret. The weakness of the weapons is pretty much saying "dont pick me....pick the barret...unlike me he kills instantly!!1!"

Im just hoping michal will fix this damn lag, these damn bugs, and making the barret and m79 alot harder to use with their strength.

quote:Originally posted by Extacide[quote]
Dont whine? Dont WHINE about this version?

Im sorry, but you need to get out of that little world of yours. 1.3, was a downgrade of 1.2.1. I know michal puts his own freetime into creating this game but this time he messed up.

The weapon balance is imperfect once again (according to 2736483279 players), The weak weapons that are forcing people to use them effing noob tubes, the Freaking LAG you get in every [CENSORED]ing server, the added bugs to the game, which I know michal cant fix as of yet but sheesh.

The new features are nice, but theres so many downsides to this damn version I cant stand it. Ive only been here since 1.2.1 so 1.2.1 imho was much better then this 1.3. I mean, atleast you dont have invisible nades and law shots with 2837654327 campers, barretards and m79 [CENSORED]s lurking around every corner.

You can say to just go back to 1.2.1, to just stop playing soldat if its so lame. Soldat used to be fun in 1.2.1. Barely anyone plays 1.2.1, no one I know plays 1.2.1, all the servers are in 1.3, you're forced to play 1.3 if you want anything done. I only play in the hope all of this will be fixed, and Soldat can be FUN again. Dont get me wrong its fun, but the frustration now that came with 1.3, its ticking me off.

Japman, I wont respect someones choice of a weapon, when they suck too much to use ANY other weapon, and add on to the HUGE population of tards in 1.3. Instead of taking a challenge and trying to harder, weaker weapons, they take the easy way out and use the simple, one-shot kill guns. They, will NEVER gain any respect from me...

...Im just hoping michal will fix this damn lag, these damn bugs, and making the barret and m79 alot harder to use with their strength.

You are only thinking that 1.3 is a downgrade of 1.2.1 because as you said, 1.2.1 was your first version, and everybody's first version of Soldat is the most enjoyable. There is no doubt that 1.2.1 was a great version and a big step up from v1.2, but 1.3 was an even bigger step for soldat. And all because alot of people were saying that 1.3 was the "worst version ever in soldat" or whatever, that doesn't mean anything, the release of every version of Soldat always follows with criticisms from dumb [CENSORED]s who are unable to adapt with new changes made to Soldat.

The "problem" with the excessive usage of Barret and M79 is much better in this version, comparing it to previous versions (1.2 in particular). Atleast we have bink in these versions, and Auto's have been strengthened up. Don't say Michal has to make the Barret and m79 harder to use because they already have been made harder to use and many players have stopped using the Barret for other weapons.

Personally I'd rather have players running around with M79's and Barrets than idiots with Auto's spraying madly towards the enemy base, it's so much more pleasant to be able to move freely for a little while, without having a pile of bullets rain down on you from an oponent, from the other side of the map.

I try to encourage campers and barret tards to use different weapons but their usually too ignorant to listen and still hump a bush even while im blastin on em :/

That's cos getting blasted on by you is so damn pleasant, GO. But I agree with Jap, I think it's actually better without the huge amounts of spray. 1.3 rocks.

EDIT: And I'm a captain! I feel so special...

quote:Originally posted by Jap_manquote:Originally posted by Extacide[quote]
Dont whine? Dont WHINE about this version?

Im sorry, but you need to get out of that little world of yours. 1.3, was a downgrade of 1.2.1. I know michal puts his own freetime into creating this game but this time he messed up.

The weapon balance is imperfect once again (according to 2736483279 players), The weak weapons that are forcing people to use them effing noob tubes, the Freaking LAG you get in every [CENSORED]ing server, the added bugs to the game, which I know michal cant fix as of yet but sheesh.

The new features are nice, but theres so many downsides to this damn version I cant stand it. Ive only been here since 1.2.1 so 1.2.1 imho was much better then this 1.3. I mean, atleast you dont have invisible nades and law shots with 2837654327 campers, barretards and m79 [CENSORED]s lurking around every corner.

You can say to just go back to 1.2.1, to just stop playing soldat if its so lame. Soldat used to be fun in 1.2.1. Barely anyone plays 1.2.1, no one I know plays 1.2.1, all the servers are in 1.3, you're forced to play 1.3 if you want anything done. I only play in the hope all of this will be fixed, and Soldat can be FUN again. Dont get me wrong its fun, but the frustration now that came with 1.3, its ticking me off.

Japman, I wont respect someones choice of a weapon, when they suck too much to use ANY other weapon, and add on to the HUGE population of tards in 1.3. Instead of taking a challenge and trying to harder, weaker weapons, they take the easy way out and use the simple, one-shot kill guns. They, will NEVER gain any respect from me...

...Im just hoping michal will fix this damn lag, these damn bugs, and making the barret and m79 alot harder to use with their strength.

You are only thinking that 1.3 is a downgrade of 1.2.1 because as you said, 1.2.1 was your first version, and everybody's first version of Soldat is the most enjoyable. There is no doubt that 1.2.1 was a great version and a big step up from v1.2, but 1.3 was an even bigger step for soldat. And all because alot of people were saying that 1.3 was the "worst version ever in soldat" or whatever, that doesn't mean anything, the release of every version of Soldat always follows with criticisms from dumb [CENSORED]s who are unable to adapt with new changes made to Soldat.

The "problem" with the excessive usage of Barret and M79 is much better in this version, comparing it to previous versions (1.2 in particular). Atleast we have bink in these versions, and Auto's have been strengthened up. Don't say Michal has to make the Barret and m79 harder to use because they already have been made harder to use and many players have stopped using the Barret for other weapons.

Personally I'd rather have players running around with M79's and Barrets than idiots with Auto's spraying madly towards the enemy base, it's so much more pleasant to be able to move freely for a little while, without having a pile of bullets rain down on you from an oponent, from the other side of the map.


I know everybody would complain about any new version, but seeing as the changes in this version are just supporting the newer players to use noob tubes, then the weapon balance isnt all too perfect yet.

Btw, it takes a week to be able to use an m79 or barret proficiently. I never even use them EVER and I can pick them up and use them decently.

I never seen a problem with that spray, i havent been in soldat for THAT long to see it as an ongoing problem. I actually dont mind the bink, i can use an auto with it binked to hell unlike these lazy newb ass barretards that you see running around now having given up on them.

The deagles are so weak its a freaking challenge to take on any gun from screen distance. It takes alot more then a week to learn how to beat a good ruger or barret with deagles before they make long distance shots and pick you out. You're better off using a socom then deagles now.

I'd also like to note that at least with spraying machine guns all over the place, you could duck behind a crate or something for cover. With spraying, they still had to hit you multiple times, which means moving the cursor with your movements.
Barret and m79 render crates and similar cover useless. They kill in one shot, and m79 has splash damage (which makes up for its arc that people may claim to be a disadvantage), so you don't need consistent aiming.

You can survive a couple hits from some spraying autos, but when you have three different people aiming at you with instakillers, you're not make it.

I've said it before, and I'll repeat it. Instakillers pull the game down, because too many people use them. They are not inherently "bad" or "cheap" weapons when used in moderation, but when everyone is using them, you end up with the Instakiller Loop that I described in another thread. It's this effect produced from overuse that is the problem.

As for solving the problem without giving birth to new ones (ala 1.2.1 to 1.3), some careful thought needs to be put into it, and with more looking toward the big picture as for its effects, intended or not; although 1.3 was thoroughly tested (which has paid off in greatly improving clan wars from what I understand), the closed testing environment coupled with players that were "too" experienced caused many things on the macro-level to be ignored. In short, they got the psychology of the game down perfectly, but forgot about the sociology.
For the barret, I wouldn't mind seeing a change that, although rather drastic, would effectively kill use of the barret as an assault weapon (which is its most common, most annoying, and least intended use). The idea? LAW-style firing, as in you must be crouched or prone to fire. Yes, this turns the barret into a pure sniping/camping weapon, but it also means you won't be going anywhere when you do use it--exclusive barret users will be forced to abandon it when they start losing every ctf match because everyone is camping, meaning there's little to no offense, which of course means no caps.
If you do that, you'll likely end up with the barret abusers switching over to m79. The solution for this is simple--increase bink, so that it's similar to barret (which could almost use a decrease in bink if made sniping-only), and/or make the splash damage harm the wielder from (reasonably) farther away, and for some increased damage. Not only would this make M79-jumping somewhat more difficult (drives me crazy in ctf_b2b when they do that), but you wouldn't see people charging straight forward and blowing the enemy into bits at point blank in a big explosion, only to keep rocketing forward as if nothing had taken place. This would make the m79 into a weapon that requires someone to be sneaky (and more cautious) to be successful, not to mention weakening it's over-the-top advantage in areas that have lots of walls close together.
Of course, these suggestions are probably too dramatic, and riddled with problems. They are only suggestions that I'm throwing out here to see what happens, and to get people thinking.




Lastly, I would like to note that I have had some success with the DEs, depending on the situation--which is exactly how it should be!
I would also like to note that 1.3 has many improvements; it solved the spraying problem (which was there regardless of whether or not it personally drove me nuts), it fixed the chainsaw, it fixed the LAW (which I have seen being used more...), and most of all, it greatly expanded the modability of the game.

Thank you for reading this (yet another) rediculously long and over-analyzing post that I've made.

well...

the weapon balance IS messed up because of them, the barret is easy to use because of the fact that it is so easy to exploit the glitches with it,
"it takes skill" and "god its a weapon get over it!" and "your just pissed cuz u can't pwn me"
while "mastering" the ability to shoot through walls and knife spawning ppl in deathmatch while never using another weapon, you barretards don't get it, the weapon is unfair because its so easy to use effectively, and you end up killing us so quick that we can't do anything but sit there and die, "but it has a long load time between the shots" nothing camping can't solve!

and as 4 your last paragraph those changes are not big at all some are even bad
1-it didn't stop the spraying it stopped the autos (most are now barretards)
2-fixing the chainsaw didn't do much at all, never in a serious match has there been a chainsawer
3-the law is not fixed its [CENSORED]ed up
4-moddability, by mod you mean knife shooting miniguns Auto-laws 20-shot m79s barrets that have the load times of an mp5 and the laggyest gameplay since a server with 32 56kmodem soldaters! that sounds so fun!!!!!!!

this version is [CENSORED] infact im just gonna make maps and be on the forums until the new version comes out,

You have some good points, but I'll explain what I meant by 1.3's good changes:

1) I attribute the instakillers' greater ease of use to the fall of autos. If the instakillers were toned down just the right amount, we'd most likely see autos become the most popular series of weapons again.
2) As all of this is mere personal opinion, the chainsaw's tune-up is great for me because it's quite possibly my favorite weapon. I even have a profile (Stanley Decker) that uses pretty much nothing but the chainsaw and grenades.
3) I attribute the extra lagginess of 1.3 to the LAW's downfall, as it can cause the thing to take much longer than it should to fire. Now that I look back on that part of my post, I realize I should have specified that.
4) Weapon mods definitely are abused as of right now, but there are other moding aspects that were expanded upon as well, which is what I'm really praising. Someone needs to start a server with a (good) weapon-mod and set of maps for use with the Soldat Mecha mod, or something; done correctly it could easily become an immensely popular server. I would, but it wouldn't be a very good server most likely :P