All the rooms are weapon modded 100-shot clip knife firing death ADD rocket crap. And all of the good servers are gone. Have to look on internet server listing just to play.

I've been playing soldat for a long time, but for the people who are first downloading it, they must be thinking "wtf is this crap. I'm uninstalling.".

But yeah, just voicing my opinion on the current state of soldat.

Click filters, uncheck weapon mods.

Well, that was a quick solution.

I agree the WM took the fun out of Soldat. Almost all the good servers are gone.

I agree that the lobby's are not working good, or the servdrs are not registering in there, cause u13 private, llsc.us INF are there but you have to join them manually so they are usually empty.

I've never had problems with WM even once since the new soldat version. Maybe you're just overreacting.

Yeah, alot of servers aren't registering in the lobby :\

If you see (WM)in front of the server's name this doesn't mean that server is crap. I am using the 1.2.1 weapons seetings and my servers are almost always full.

Yeah, alot of servers aren't registering in the lobby :\

I somehow posted twice so I will edit this :>

Wow I fail. Mods can delete the last two messages and this one >_>

You guys are all lacking some good ol' dedicated U13 East 24/7 CTF, man B-)

Zambino - You can delete your own posts, just use the trash can icon at the top of your reply.

And I disagree with this "most of the good servers are gone now" talk...I bounce around between six or seven good servers with regularity. They've been there before 1.3.

I don't mind WM servers. And I don't have trouble finding un-modded servers. However, I think it was a mistake to make a filter that displays only WM servers. I think it should be the other way around. There should be one that filters out the WM servers.

But that's just my preference. Maybe in 1.3.1?

Any takers?

Agreed.

the problem is that the default setting on 1.3 is with the WM option checked. That probably confused a ton of people and made some quit.

quote:Originally posted by Keron CystYou guys are all lacking some good ol' dedicated U13 East 24/7 CTF, man B-)
Man, I had some fun games on that server last night. I only play on other servers if that one's full.

did you just find soldat 1.3? loki

quote:Originally posted by Keron CystYou guys are all lacking some good ol' dedicated U13 East 24/7 CTF, man B-)
Those are the only servers I play in besides when I do cw's.

quote:Originally posted by F3nyxquote:Originally posted by Keron CystYou guys are all lacking some good ol' dedicated U13 East 24/7 CTF, man B-)
Man, I had some fun games on that server last night. I only play on other servers if that one's full.


You're like me with Enesces' server :D

What do people have against bot play? If you set the bots level to "hard" or "insane", they're better than most people who play Soldat.

i host non modded servers all the time, usually zombie matchs, set to 1000kills and 1000 min with 20 zombies, its really fun on wartorn...

"impossible" bots are about as good as a decent player. but they are boring to play against because they dont feel the ownage.

Hey, The_Geologist, where do you live? I saw one of those hand dryers in a resturant around here, and someone etched that exact phrase ("recieve bacon") under that picture. It was there at least 8 years ago, and still is. I still find that hilarious.

I find it's not Soldat that sucks, just the community. Nothing exciting ever happens, and no one gets up off their ass to make things more interesting.

It's just the same old CTF and DM, with the few likable servers left to play on. I miss diversity.

What do you suggest?

I suggset hold he flag. This was a great addition that hasnt been takin advantage of yet. I love playing it, cause it gives all the action of a DM with the strategy of CTF.

quote:Originally posted by LeoIf you see (WM)in front of the server's name this doesn't mean that server is crap. I am using the 1.2.1 weapons seetings and my servers are almost always full.


Thing is, i'll sometimes visit 1.2.1 servers for fun and im usually the only player there who seems to be able to move AND shoot at the same time (I know, its amazing)

And yes, it is the community that sucks. Everyones too lazy to use harder weapons, everyone of good skill is leaving for the new generation, Im taking a long break from soldat myself. Hopefully it will un[CENSORED] itself. >>;

WM = teh [CENSORED]ness... Take out weapon mod in 1.4

Maybe changing the bullet types and stuff like that was a bit too much to handle for the public without creating [CENSORED] WM's.

WM is definately a keeper though, just maybe make the modibility smaller. Like speed, arc, damage, bink. only. (im probably forgetting something important)

quote:Originally posted by MelbaMaybe changing the bullet types and stuff like that was a bit too much to handle for the public without creating [CENSORED] WM's.

WM is definately a keeper though, just maybe make the modibility smaller. Like speed, arc, damage, bink. only. (im probably forgetting something important)


No...its fine, making it more flexible would be even better. A filter option to filter it out and set the default without WM on however, THAT would be better.

My point is that people are complaining about unfairness of weapons and want to join WM's that has more reasonable weapons in their eyes. But they have experienced that joining a WM server often puts you in a retarded game where mp5's shoot nades etc.
I'm saying, if the ability to use nades as bullets for mp5 and stuff like that was taken away from the community, the WM feature would be more of a success, and the players would join WM's cause they know that the surver wont be complete bull[CENSORED].
Of course this wouldn't get all weird servers off the lobby, but i believe it would help.

Well, I think this is starting to get off topic, because you can't really say that WM servers are the whole reason the soldat community sucks. However, in response to Chakra and Exta, I feel I need to point out that as much as you say the soldat community sucks, you are part of the soldat community also, just like I am and everyone else who takes part in forum discussions is. Now Chakra, I realize you are attempting to make a difference to some extent with soldat radio and beta testing and such, but for all of those who want to say that the soldat community sucks and offer no suggestions as to how to make the community better should just keep their posts to themselves. It's kinda like all the people who posted "knife is fine, leave it alone" in the Knife Balance topic without any reasoning behind their feelings.

Now, it would be kinda hypocritical to say all that and leave without making some suggestion to improve the soldat community. Personally, I think we need to get these "noobs" involved into the community and not shun them as we do. I think that these "noobs" that we are experiencing right now are the future of the soldat community. I believe that the soldat community has gone stale because we have had the same people playing the same game over and over and we haven't had a large influx of new players to create diversity in the ranks of us soldaters. I think we as a community should work with these new players, help them progress their skill level in the game, and then we will see a better community because of it. After all, variety is the spice of life (and soldat). Now granted, not all of these new players are as willing to learn and accept that there are people better than them, there's no avoiding that. However, I believe that those who are willing to learn and become a better player will bring much more to the table than just their soldating skills, they will bring a completely different outlook on things that could liven this community up a bit.

Soldat doesn't suck, it's just that we're all a bunch of fickle bar stewards. People complain, something is changed, people don't like the change, people complain. Lather, rinse and repeat.
quote:Stuff about learning
I reckon that the people that are willing to learn are the ones that read the manual before playing. I doubt that there are many of these people around.

You guys obviously do not get what is really wrong with weapon mod. It is actually one of those things (like communism etc..) that looks ultra cool on paper, but does not work at all in real life. Lets look at why:

we only have a handfull of servers to play on as it is. Now, when you look for a server you find so many weapon modded servers that there are way less "real" servers to choose from. This is the inherent problem. Soldat is too small of a community as it is to be wasting servers on crappy mods. The official mods (realistic, different game types) were already fine. It was already difficult to find a decent server...now it is even more so because half of the decent servers use some garbage ass mod that isn't even tested. Think about it.

^^^ Well you stud you, I think a "decent server" is a relative term. Now I will admit that a lot of the WM servers are lame weapons that shoot grenades and LAW shots, which gets boring in about 5 minutes. However, I think that WM could actually improve what people view as regular, dull soldat. However, it is the responsibility of the makers of these WM's to make them interesting, while at the same time balanced. As for the availability of servers, I think there are still many good servers out there (I see BBG in my server, the GMDP server, fairly often). Most of the good servers are clan servers anymore, because real clans won't normally have WM in the server that they practice in. And as for me, I have no problems finding servers, mostly because of the fact that I don't stray far from my own.

You are right. But I am guessing you run a 1.21 weapon mod, which is a completely different issue. I would have no problems with a 1.21 choice being built into the dedicated servers (or any other official version). WHatI have a problem with is wasting a bunch of servers on stupid mods.

OH,

and I totally agree that clan servers have a purpose in the game. The bad thing is that new players DO NOT HAVE ACCESS or know about to clan servers. What I am worried mostly about is not the veteran players who know how to find a good game, but the average / new player who is stuck with a bunch of crap.

When I referred to clan servers, I was talking about the public ones. Many clans have public servers out there for the sole purpose of recruiting people (I know my clan does) and it offers great pings for NA users on DSL/Cable, and decent pings for DU users and Euro users on DSL/Cable. I realize that my server may be an oddball, and I do know that a lot of the pro clans have private servers so they keep new people out, but I do know there's also a lot of servers (mostly clan ones) that offer decent pings for users and are public, because the clans are using them for recruitment.

As for WM servers, I believe you got my point. I fully agree that WM servers with the ridiculous weapons are mostly a waste of space, but also, they tend to be uber laggy, so maybe it's a good thing they've got crappy WM's, it keeps decent people out of the because of the crappy gameplay and lag, and sends them to the decent servers out there. I don't think we're really arguing anymore, I think we've found common ground in here. Now if only some other people would comment or make some suggestion as how to un-suck-ify the soldat community, we might get somewhere with this thread.

quote:Originally posted by solohan50Well, I think this is starting to get off topic, because you can't really say that WM servers are the whole reason the soldat community sucks. However, in response to Chakra and Exta, I feel I need to point out that as much as you say the soldat community sucks, you are part of the soldat community also, just like I am and everyone else who takes part in forum discussions is. Now Chakra, I realize you are attempting to make a difference to some extent with soldat radio and beta testing and such, but for all of those who want to say that the soldat community sucks and offer no suggestions as to how to make the community better should just keep their posts to themselves. It's kinda like all the people who posted "knife is fine, leave it alone" in the Knife Balance topic without any reasoning behind their feelings.

Now, it would be kinda hypocritical to say all that and leave without making some suggestion to improve the soldat community. Personally, I think we need to get these "noobs" involved into the community and not shun them as we do. I think that these "noobs" that we are experiencing right now are the future of the soldat community. I believe that the soldat community has gone stale because we have had the same people playing the same game over and over and we haven't had a large influx of new players to create diversity in the ranks of us soldaters. I think we as a community should work with these new players, help them progress their skill level in the game, and then we will see a better community because of it. After all, variety is the spice of life (and soldat). Now granted, not all of these new players are as willing to learn and accept that there are people better than them, there's no avoiding that. However, I believe that those who are willing to learn and become a better player will bring much more to the table than just their soldating skills, they will bring a completely different outlook on things that could liven this community up a bit.


Amen to that, Brother!

I've noticed, that I play Soldat a bit less nowadays. Kinda sick of dodging explosive shells. *shrugs*

quote:Originally posted by Swarmer"impossible" bots are about as good as a decent player. but they are boring to play against because they dont feel the ownage.


What the...impossible bots are about as good as a moderate nubeh. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being easiest to kill and 10 being hardest to kill, I'd put an impossible bot at about a 3.5. They lack the unpredictability of a human player that gives a battle real heft.

quote:Originally posted by solohan50

Now, it would be kinda hypocritical to say all that and leave without making some suggestion to improve the soldat community. Personally, I think we need to get these "noobs" involved into the community and not shun them as we do. I think that -


you're a [CENSORED]ing idealistic coon-juggling albino smuggling arse-faced ferret-loving cum-bathing [CENSORED]tarded dream-world elf-[CENSORED]ing hippie [CENSORED]stabbing idiot. You wanna train a society of low IQ crackers hicks and white trash? go for it! You'll soon become as jaded, cynical and lurking in a dark corner like the rest of us long-termers around here.

....Didn't you just speak of something "civilised"? So what do you call that? And why are you, of all people, jumping down my throat about that? I tried to acknowledge your contribution to soldat, but you come back with a comment like that, that hardly seems fair or appropriate. I think the biggest reason the soldat community doesn't change is exactly because of your attitude. The soldat community sucks because it has become divided into two main groups (each with their own subsections). You've got the vets like Chakra who seemingly hate everyone new to the game, and the new people, who are trying to figure out the game, but don't seem to get much help because people like Chakra are too busy "lurking in the corner" (probably masturbating to kiddie porn). You know what, when I first started, I had a couple people who had been around for a bit teach me the ropes, because I was eager to learn and I didn't run around calling people noobs cuz they killed me. And they respected the fact that I was new to the game and tried to help me.

But I truly feel that you have lost sight of what soldat and the community are about Chakra. You seem to think that you're better than these new people, just because you've been playing some game on the internet longer than they have. So you're well known enough/kissed enough ass to become a beta tester, and you're even special enough to be on soldat radio. I'm happy for you, would you like a cookie? It's that same jaded attitude towards new people and everyone else that doesn't belong to your clique that makes this community grow stale. It reminds me of high school (if you're even old enough to be in high school yet). So there's my $.02.

PS - Now let this be a lesson Chakra. I wrote all that, and it only included one cuss word, and it makes much more sense and even has a point to it, unlike your post. But for now, [CENSORED] off.

Hey, woah, slow down. For a start, past 14 you can't really tell.

'Old school' [CENSORED]s such as myself really aren't the cause, luv. Ain't nothing about post size, kill to death ratio or just how well known I am in a game. Jaded, however, is accurate. You yourself seem to hold a relatively respectable degree of intelligence, but thwarted by a sense of idealistic intentions towards the whole. I could truly be envious of such a trait. Give it a little time, though, and you'll soon see how fruitless any endevour to further Soldat itself and it's community truly is.

See beyond the insultive intentions of my slap-in-the-face post above, and let it act as a warning.

Well Chakra, I would first like to ask "A warning for what?" I would certainly hope that you wouldn't think of taking action against me because I dared to speak up against you. I respect only a few people, and you don't happen to be on that list (though there are many people who aren't on it). But disregarding how personal this argument has become now, I would like to point out a few things. Firstly, I am VERY cynical of most everything, of government, of business, of life in general. However, if I cannot hope for one second that something as simple as an online gaming community can change for the better, then I believe that all hope truly is lost. I've also found in my years that the truth most often lies between the two extremes. You are right, perhaps I am overly optimistic about what an influx of new people could do for this community, and I can admit that. But at the same time, I think you are overly pessimistic about it. I will concede the fact that the truth of the matter lies somewhere between these opposites in which we're arguing about. But I do have to ask, what would have happened to soldat had new people not shown up in 1.2.1 (from what I understand, that is where the majority of new people showed up during)? I believe that soldat probably would have collapsed due to lack of interest. Soldat depends on new people playing it and becoming better to stay alive. Look at how many vets we lose everyday, whether it be because they are tired of new people or they just got bored. Either way, if these new players did not join, we would slowly lose more and more people until it is only MM and a couple dedicated players left.

You call me idealistic, I call you hard headed and unable to change. In the end it doesn't matter what we think of each other, it only matters whether this community keeps living or dies. I will accept your opinion of me and my ideas without any malice, but all I ask in return is that you find something to counter my ideas with, rather than simply belittling them.

PS - I do agree though, past 14 it is hard to tell, especially if you watch Asian porn.

" However, if I cannot hope for one second that something as simple as an online gaming community can change for the better, then I believe that all hope truly is lost."

..welcome to the world of your average 'vet', he who has stuck to this game and enjoyed the thrills of it since the dawn of time. Soldat's a fine game, and new players are always (usually) welcomed, but the sad truth is that getting the community to focus towards furthering the very 'fun' to be had in Soldat is always hopeless.

The sad fact is that the soldat community follows one another like sheep, and it'd take a couple of Moses's to stir the pot. I believe b00sta told me a few days ago that theres around 95 CTF's, 92 DM's, and about 4 inf servers, 2 TDM, and around none of the rest. Only a third of those CTF's and DM's are ever used, so why so many? and why does the community all merge towards these two modes, when theres immense fun and variety to be had?

When was the last time you had a game with friendly fire on, or advanced mode, survival, pointmatch, on custom maps other than the well known and repetitive. Why, with all the modifications possible in Soldat, has there been none other than clumsy servers that tweak the balance to their preferred fashion, or just go crazy, when you could effectively make the game something completely unique? Counterstrike for instance could be effectively re-created in 2D; two different gostek models, guns modified, graphics changed... Theres more to Soldat than grabbing a flag.

So yeah. What i'm trying to say is, the 'community' of players just stick to the same old repetitive Soldat. Which is fine, really. Soldat is reasonably fun, even in just some plain simple CTF with well-played maps. But it could be so much more were it not for a community that drowns itself in repetition...


See my point, guv?

Well, in answer to your question, I actually set my server to Advance mode just the other day. I think the biggest problem with hosting servers besides CTF and DM is the fact that servers tend to be an individual's purchase. I, for example, currently have 2 servers, a CTF and DM. Both are for my clan, and nobody else has really helped me out with the cost of the server yet, so I only purchase servers which will get the most use. The DM server does see it's share of RS CTF though, as we do have a few players who are interested in it. So what I'm saying is that, as an individual, we do tend to go with the herd and use our servers for the most common modes, because we cannot afford to have a CTF server to play in AND purchase an Inf server just to mess around in. If there was some sort of cooperation between the vets about purchasing some off the wall server, I would totally be down to help out with it, because not only would it be interesting to see an server that's different, but it helps further the community. And by the way, the servers you do find converted to Inf or some other unconventional format tend to be very unstable, further keeping people from playing those modes.

As for custom maps, I used to host a few custom maps on my server that I thought were cool. However, the map errors that I received whenever players tried to download them made it quite impossible to host them for long, because as soon as a custom map came into rotation, the players the server had were gone and unable to download the map. Now if you truly are interested in furthering the soldat community, contact me, I would be more than happy to donate some funds here and there for a different server or what not.

All in all, I see where you're coming from Chakra, but at the same time, I think that's all the more reason to get those who love this community enough to put things into motion to help create some variety in what seems to have become a repetitive cycle. Find some way to fix the map errors and I will host a variety of custom maps on my server, because I too enjoy a little variety in my games. Orchestrate something, I would but I don't have enough time or influence to be able to accomplish it by myself. One idea would be to setup a gather system like we have on IRC but make it for off the wall modes, like HTF, or advanced mode, or anything, just make an effort. Don't give up on the community, no matter how hopeless it may seem, for it is when all hope is lost that the battle is truly lost.

If you think about it hard, you see it actualy helped those who like the game.
The most beautiful part of Soldat was the community, it wasn't perfect but it was fun, smaller and alot more fulfiling.

That's gone now, forever. so the only thing I can ask for is a place with the least n00bs possible.
WM Servers are like those devices that attract musqitues and kills them!
It leaves the other servers much more n00b free then before, true, idiots still roam them.
But in much less precentage then before in publics.

..you make it sound like people haven't already tried guv. There was a RS gather...you know that? Pretty sure it's dead now. And as far as I was aware a newer server version came out to fix the map thing, right? Had no problem with custom mapped servers lately, not that they're encountered much.

And we don't really need to purchase more servers. Theres literally hundreds, all identical, for public use. They're just reluctant to step out of whats considered the norm, further removing any chance of 'social progress' in Soldat. Ya know that 'I am Ahab' has a server? got teamspeak for it too and everything... was gonna make a new 'soldat forums' server. He knows it's not gonna work though, because no one will use it. The community just isn't that involved with things.

Like I said pal, give it time... your hopes'll be crushed like a rapper's ego after his contract ends.

yeah chakra is right, servers just don't crash anymore, i haven't had a single crash since he came out with the new version, it has been up and stable for almost 3 weeks i think

Chak, yes i do have a server with teamspeak that i was going to make a new soldat forums server.

and Ok was well behind it too. I haven't given up on it as hopeless, as a few more threads like this and i may begin to grasp an idea of what could actually help. i cannot help an old group of friends who no longer take as much fun from the game however.

As it is the original idea was dispanded as 'pointless' with reasons cited as 'can't be arsed' and 'no fun anymore'. and i'll admit that did my head in. as the opinion seemed to swing from gladly help to why bother very quickly.
to quote sticky: quote:
Soldat doesn't suck, it's just that we're all a bunch of fickle bar stewards. People complain, something is changed, people don't like the change, people complain. Lather, rinse and repeat.

i thought that seemed rather applicable here. something was wanted. a few tried to provide. it got poopooed as a waste of time.

Ok at least said that it wouldnt be fair to start up a new project as he wasnt giving enough time to his other net activites. and that he was also a bit old to be investing so much time online. how much truth in this i do not know, dont get me wrong i like the chap and hold no malice, but he did want to try to implement a lot of features such as, for example an irc bot that could summon an admin if needed. the sort of thing that i personally don't see as essential, but as more of a feature to bring in the 'old school'. at least until they grow tired of their new toy.

a forums server doesn't have to be a super fantastic place where vets can grab a classic slice of soldat. i had in mind more of a stepping stone. a server that is passworded but if you can be arsed to LOOK you can find the password so easily its an insult not to exploit it. i do not want to join a clan and spend my free time irc'ing. i do not have that much time to invest online. as chak mentions in this thread soldat is a fun game, even on default settings with all the modding options left unexploited. and it seems that most peoples' attempts to do something fantastic with either the forums community, or express some sort ingenuity with the irc community ultimately dies and just creates another channel to go idle in or another empty server.

I understand that the forums gets mocked in the irc channel as being a place where new people post things like 'all the lobby servers are WM' or whatever is the latest versions most found niggle. yes, these new people are more often that not under the age of 12,13,14 whatever. but this is an online game, who did you expect to find playing it, mahatma ghandi perhaps? i expect this to perhaps rouse some sort of rebuke and i apologise. a lot of you are very nice people and some are even clever to boot, albeit tainted with the brush of annoyance to the point where newness is a trait all too easily shunned.

i have a lot of respect for what flieslikeabrick has done, but i get pings of 150-200 on his server as my bloody local broadband exchange is shot. so for all his hosting generosity i cannot appreciate it.
if i was to run such a server, albeit in the name of the forums, and i happily will. would it be appreciated if maybe gamemodes were rolled over on certain days? i'll gladly endorse diversity. but ultimately the point of having such a server would not just be its global location (in the UK) with respect to making it accessible for all, but having a game that most people enjoy as much as possible. a short sharp dose of fun.

i began playing at a similar but slightly later time to many of the 'vets' here. if you dont believe me go check my forum profile creation date. i played mainly on a lan with my friends at uni. sometimes online when i went home, at which point i was glad of the dna server. it gave me as a more casual player somewhere i could run around grabbing flags. and that was all it was chak, nothing more. no inf or whatnot. i'm not some hardline scrotum who thinks that all the community needs is another dna to solve all problems, i'll happily meet you in the no mans land that clearly seperates our 2 trenches and agree that variety is a good thing. and that using a medium to promote that diversity that is more accessible to the casual/newer players will hopefully, ultimately have some net positive community affect. not that others have not already tried. but did dna do anything positive for anyone else here? if so i do not see it as a waste of time.

as it is im soon to move away and thus not have access to the net all day at work. but i'll happily visit the forums, maintain a server and answer email. a group of subusers to retain day to day control of the potential server settings are something i will happily oversee. as are a group of game admins, which would preferably be regular forum users. but swinging into the global irc network just for the sake of a few games of soldat is not on the cards for me im afraid. maybe thats the cause of some frustrations, as you're all nice people im sure. but it seems from this thread that the vet community is shrinking and growing bored till they dissapear off to silicon heaven. as they become more and more inaccesible is it becoming a case of more things are wanted and less is getting done?

nick.

i disagree chakra. given the chance i wqould gladly join i am ahabs forum, regurly visit i am ahabs server and join in on the team speak opurtunities.
you see what made the soldat community great before was it was isolated. there was a select few who was commited to the game, sure there was the occaisional noob but they either fitted in or left, but you alweays had that group. if only we could recreate that isolation aspect we could recreate the old soldat feel. but as you said someone has to create the feeling for other to feel it.

what a bunch of whiner bunny farts

I <3 Soldat

Dunno, i enjoy soldat a lot now, but only problem are the hackers.
Maybe cause i play cws and gathers most :Q

After reading the arguments over the community, i thought id add in some key points...

Just consider why people play soldat. It can be veiwed as a small game for kicks, but also can be looked at as a freakin' fun want-to-play-it all night long sort of game. Alot of these players who "follow the herd" generally are people who play this game for an hour and get off for fun. I doubt they'll ever get involved into the community, or atleast to the point of making freinds with soldat. Its not just nerds that play. =3

I actually haven't seen many vets, by which I mean people who can kill me before I can kill them without using 1-hit-kill guns on a consistant basis, in Soldat lately. The time I remember most with "vets" was that they were complaining about how anyone can get the U13 private password, but this event was like 6 months ago.
Anyway, I've been playing since February and with constant practice, I feel I've become respectable. I don't camp. I avoid 1-shot-kill guns, but when I use them I don't camp (one time I was playing CTF, I got the Barrett, and started going for the flag, and some people were going for my flag the same way, and I killed them all without scoping out). I mainly use the MP5, though, but I was hooked on it before it became unbalanced.

So just don't assume that new players have the I.Q. of toe fungus. Unless they're script kiddies (hackers). Then you can do that.

Well, now that I have finished my day at work, I have the pleasure of coming back and seeing all of your wonderful responses. As to Flies and Chakra, I still have consistent problems with maps, custom or not. It's not server crashing problems, it's the fact that the maps can't be downloaded a lot of times (I've had this problem in 2 separate servers). When the people leave the game because they don't have the map, they have to download it. If they are unable to download it, then they can't play in the server, meaning my server is empty. That's the argument I was making about custom maps, and that's the reason I took them off my server. I will attempt to put them on tonight and see what happens. If there's errors again, I'll have to take them off the rotation because what good is a server if no one can download the map and play on it?

As for variety, I don't know too many people with servers, so it is very hard to actually ask someone else to change their server to a less played mode. After I work something out with Chibi from FracturedSoldat, I will be purchasing a new server for the soldat forums, just to put what Chakra is saying to the test. It will probably start as a public HTF, but will evolve from there. If there is not interest, I will simply shut it down and move on to something else, but if it becomes popular for whatever reason, I have no problems keeping it open. So Chak, be on the lookout for the server, as I expect you to be there, as you're the one yelling about variety. :-P

Edit - As for the RS Gather you were talking about Chak, I think the biggest problem with that is that it is an IRC thing. I have a few guys in my clan that are RS nuts, but none of them use IRC. I'm sure this is the case with many other people too. Sure, maybe it's the "vets" that use IRC, and making it through IRC reduces the number of new people in the servers, but at the same time, you exclude quite a few moderate players who would be interested in RS just because it is an IRC thing.

You know, I wonder what would happen if you gathered a bunch of known players that usually only play DM / CTF and challenged them to go a week or two without playing these gamemodes. I don't know how that would work out as far as honesty goes, but it might help to get people hooked on some different styles of gaming.

Also, Chakra, it would be a great idea if you told everyone in Soldat Radio about it, the staff and listeners, and gave them a choice; to go through with it or not. There's gotta be at least a few, including myself, who are willing to give it a go. Then you can announce the results a week or two later and see what people think.

quote:Originally posted by KazukiYou know, I wonder what would happen if you gathered a bunch of known players that usually only play DM / CTF and challenged them to go a week or two without playing these gamemodes. I don't know how that would work out as far as honesty goes, but it might help to get people hooked on some different styles of gaming.

Also, Chakra, it would be a great idea if you told everyone in Soldat Radio about it, the staff and listeners, and gave them a choice; to go through with it or not. There's gotta be at least a few, including myself, who are willing to give it a go. Then you can announce the results a week or two later and see what people think.


Theres not too many good servers at all with other gamemodes, if someone set up a *good* server, ill accept your challenge. :F

Chibi over at fractured soldat has 2 public servers up right now, an Inf and an HTF, and the pings are pretty sweet, he's the guy who hosts my server. I'm thinking of purchasing another server from him for some off the wall mode, it should be fun. Servers are listed as #Fractured in the lobby. You guys should come in sometime, especially the ones complaining about the lack of variety.

alrigtht chakra i agree with you. last night while trying to make plans for an australia soldat meet i came to the relisation that due to the effort of showing up, many people, if not all wouldnt go. guess the vets and dreamers will ahev to stick to what we have now

Taal, on account of your Australian Soldat meet, I don't think I could attend, as I dislike long 12 hour trips on drug infested trains.

In reading all of the above, all I can say on the matter is that people have different degrees of fun. Some could play for years, know names of other players, but never get a mod, mod, go to soldat orientated websites, or so and so. Some people need to be outside and around in the community, whilst others will spend more time in the community forum than actually playing.

SOmetimes if you want something done, you have to bite the bullet and do it yourself.

Why does Soldat suck now? I'd blame the community too.

Our community is filled with talented players, who have spirit, but they are drowning in the seas of players who don't care about Soldat after they had their share of the dayly caps and double-kills.

The ball was thrown up with community projects quite a few times (think of the massive SUS project) but they died because of the community.
It's not about newbies being unwelcome, it's that the vets are getting tired of trying to launch projects like that. Actually, if more people of the community would use IRC, (which isn't half as time consuming as one would think, if you don't want to answer someone, you just don't, you can go afk whenever you want, and people won't bug you 24/7) then maybe the Community would be tighter, and projects would live on for more than a month.

And on the topic of Community meetings: Hungary has quite a sucky community. We're isolated, we have mega-asshats who suck at playing but think that they can kick anyone's ass, then they whine about their enemies hacking when they get beaten by a better clan.. but then again we have a circle of fine chaps, who get together every once in a while, get drunk and laugh a lot. You may turn your sleeves up and start projects yourself, but you'll just waste time and energy if you don't find those people who are willing to help you, and share both the ups and downs of your efforts.

Figures that this would happen...

I'll save you all the misury of reading a long post so i'll summerize what i'm going to say...to you... types of people...



To all server hosts: Customize your fudging servers.... don't make it boring!!! Play something else other then Capture the flag or Death match all the time...

To hackers: What the [CENSORED] are you doing? Why are you hacking a awsome game? To gain a edge? If i knew where you lived i would give you a edge all right...(Give you hints and tips on playing the game of course!)

To vets: I know it seems like a lost cause but rally together and start AND finish a project just like flieslikeabrick is doing...and make it
It may be hard but doing a half-assed-project just sucks...


To anyone else: Play the damn game and don't camp....: (

Bah...school comps suck...

I CONCUR your schools computer does suck :P i think that the soldat community in australia isnt quite big or old enough yet for a major meet to happen, so i might give it a few months, ill still be here then i assure you, i aint goin no where

As I am as well. Then Australia community is big enough, the only thing is, WE'RE ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE!!

If you don't wanna hear my lame-ass story, skip to the next line break.
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Soldat had a lot of great things going for it since I started playing it (May 23, 2004. Yes I remember the date.) I was immediately hooked the first minute I started playing it (which was with bots for the first day or so to get the feel of the game). You could jump in, have some fast paced action, kick some ass and call it a night. Or you could jump in with some of your buddies and play it all day straight, still having blast. Soldat has one thing going for it, and that is the playstyle. CTF and DM's goals might be the same every round, but the fights that the opponents put up are never the same, making no two games the same.

So my friends and I play soldat now and then, usually as just a game to take a break from other games with, but sometimes playing it hardcore-style on a server I'd throw up every once in a while which attracted a fair amount of people (Cheese's Fraghouse). Mainly it was so we could ban the hackers and make mouthy kids shut up.

So we kinda seperate and go off on our own ways, playing soldat now and again on our own for kicks.

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1.3 rolls around, and my buds and I try it out. We all have the same reaction: "WHAT THE [CENSORED] WERE THEY THINKING?" They took a great game and mauled it with a major gameplay changes (mainly weapon "balance"). I can name 6 games right now that did this very thing and ruined it. They made the diehard fans quit and just ruined the whole thing. Those games being: Infantry Zone, Planetside, Diablo2 (in my eyes), Ultima Online (never played but everything I have heard has been the same), and two MUDs I play(ed) called Angel Wars and Absolute Darkness. Angel Wars tried to roll back after they realized what they had done, but it was FAR too late for that, and now it's dead.

What am I getting at? DON'T FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE. Yes make some new features, tweak some things, fix bugs, but DO NOT GO CHANGING MAJOR GAMEPLAY ASPECTS IN HOPES OF APPEALING TO MORE PLAYERS AND MAKING EVERYONE HAPPY. Soldat did a complete 180 on the weapons. The two things tied at the top of my list are the one shot kills were not nerfed at all, while all the other weapons were, making the one shots harder to kill, and making everything else easier to kill with the one shots. The other being bink. Not only were weapon's damages lowered/fire rate slowed/reload time raised, but now the the guns' accuracies have been thrown out of whack. In my mind, one shot weapons have no place in ANY game, unless it is something like the chainsaw, in Soldat's case. They always turn up to be over-used, frustrating, and highly unbalanced. (How do you balance a weapon that kills in one shot?) I have TRIED and TRIED day after day to get into 1.3, but it is NOT the same game. I'll be playing 1.2.1 weapon mod servers until they go outa style, and people stop playing on a server I'll put up if it ever does.

Everyone's reasons for why "Soldat sucks now" are different. Mine is 1.3 [CENSORED]ed the game for me, and same goes for my friends. Others thinks it's the community. Me not being too involved in the community other than skimming the forums every once in a while for the past few weeks, I'm not so sure about that one.

Also, making it so it does not automatically filter for WM servers after you install 1.3 would probably help not scare off a bunch of newbies... Like the ones that come in game named "Soldier" or "Major" now and ask "HOW DO I SHOT LAW?!" I can only imagine jumping in a weapon mod server for my first game and picking a weapon and flying across the map at insane speeds as soon as I click the fire button.

HEY im the cheeseman Dont youe come near me wed your grater :D

Nah soldat 1.3 is in the roxxors stages man!!! Just the fuking hacker probs...but they cant aim anyways...:D All ways look on the bright side peeps!

ohhhhhhh big paragraphs! IQ +1.

You guys aren't taking his points into consideration. "LOL LONG PARAGRAPH ME NO WANT TO READ *skip*"

CheeseGrater, as far as weapons go, I suppose you're somewhat right. We were encouraged to try to get the weapon balance as close to perfect as possible, but when you think about it, "perfect" is different in everyone's mind, so I don't see where that would get us. To be quite honest, I'm extremely confused about the whole topic of weapon balance, and I have no idea how to go about it, because no matter what we do, people will always whine and have something against our actions. On the other hand, most everyone expects a major change in a new version.

As for the WM filter problem, I believe that was a mistake by Michal that slipped by. Same goes for CTF caps being unequal values for Alpha and Bravo.

The community has definately slipped way down the gutter. It's hard to get along with anyone anymore. There are few friendly and logical experienced players that I can rely on. There are many "experienced" players, but not many that deserve the title.

*long whistling noise from high pitch to low pitch**explosion sound*

:3

I'll just say, Weapons Editor has so much great potential. But since most people in general aren't that sharp, and we have a lot of dull blades who play Soldat, it sort of got messed up.

I don't have a hard time finding a good game, though.

I usually play on the same server... People get to know you and you get more respect.

if sldat was a person i wud tell him to go [CENSORED] hisslef

i hate these [CENSORED]ing mods cant we get a filter WORTH using like NO MORE [CENSORED]ING LAMER NOOB WEAPONS MOD SERVERS W/ LAGGING [CENSORED]TY WEAPON BALANCE!!!

To me, it wasn't so much the trying to balance, it was the drastic change in the feel of all the weapons (except the one shots). If I had started out on 1.3 and never played 1.2.1 or anything before it, I wouldn't have room to talk. I would probably like the patch and play like I normally did. However, there was such a drastic change in gameplay that that 1 1/2 years of playing a great game totally flipped around. People will complain about weapon balance all the time, yes, but what will make more people quit? A huge overhaul of the weapons that people might not like? Or keeping the "unbalanced" weapons the same that people are used to and like? Either way they are going to complain, and you might get some people to like it, but you take a big risk of scaring off old players who think the new weapons suck.

Also, I don't see how new features will attract new players. The problem with Soldat is people need to just find out about it, somehow. The only way I learned about soldat was from a friend on another forum... I have never seen any kind of advertisements or anything, and when I ask people if they have ever tried Soldat, they go "WTF is that?". New players coming into the game not knowing anything won't go "Oh hey! I can backflip! THIS GAME R0X0RZ FOR NO OTHER REASON!". (I thought I saw a post about new features attracting new players anyway, if not, whatever. New features are great as long as they dont mess with the whole gameplay aspect. My only point was they wouldn't have much chance of attracting new players. Also, the backflip sux =p)

I don't think weapon mods really affect Soldat as a whole. There are a lot of servers with (WM), yes, but most of them are empty, like any other normal server. Also, there are very few people who actually hang out in WM servers for more than 5 minutes, and the people that do hang out in the rediculously modded weapons servers are probably not going to be welcomed into the "good" normal servers.

As for using the WM for the greater good, finding a nice balance that everyone can enjoy that isn't official will be very hard. I'm down for trying though if anyone wants a hand. Also keep in mind the chance of people playing on an empty server are extremely small, unless it is a very popular server and it had just crashed or seomthing. You need a few people to build it up and usually it sticks.

Good idea? Let's go back to version 1.2.1 THAT ONE ROX
1.3 is just a sh!thole. most anoying. I get mad every time I play it. Michael just f***ed up his own game.

I don't know what most clans do, but I'm going back to version 1.2.1
Cya there;)

Maybe it's just me, but network and internet games seem to produce more lag now.

Is anyone else faced with this problem?

One shot aimers (like ruger and m79) can miss eventhough it's a headshot. This also happens the other way round (missing and the person dies anyways).

I guess M79, ruger and baret are out of the picture now, I think I have to brush up on my machining skills.

woaaaahhhh... this topic BLEW UP.

But yeah, My problem was solved by simply unchecking the WM filter.

And the reason WM sucks is because all of the weapons people make are uber-death machines, instead of practical, balanced weapons. But no biggy, you can always choose not to play them.

And actually, the 'rebalancing' done in the new version isn't THAT bad. Although I think they might have made the socom slightly weaker, which pisses me off. No biggie though.

One comment I want to make though, as long as everyone is talking about making soldat better -
IMO, soldat's main focus shouldn't be on weaponry (i.e. Weapon Mod). Though a few new weapons or whatever would be nice, I think that being able to create more intricate soldat levels would be cooler. Doors, One-way entrances, teleports, and various other level-oriented changes are just a few of the possibilities that could make soldat more interesting.

And maybe make it easier for custom made maps to get in the loop. I hate playing the same maps OVER and OVER and OVER again. Imagine if every server had a different set of maps? Maybe if instead of kicking players and making them re-join to download maps, they could be brought to a d/l screen until they can re-enter the game? Just a thought.

Anywho... this has already gone way off topic. whatev.

There so many hackers now! They got unlimited health, can go really fast and they can capture the flag really fast.

The soldat community just CEASES to amaze me. No, really, there is no surprise to it. Im just getting sick of people, but now ive come to a logical conclusion. People, always want to win. Regardless of how good they are, they must win, because winning > fun. They suck, so the obvious choice is to go with a barret or m79. If you manage to kill someone with your 1337 osk skills, then w00t!!! If you're sprayed by an mp5, OMFG YOU EFFING SPRAYTARD HK SHOULD BE NERFED SO I CAN WIN! This applies to other weapons as well...

Soldat needs a serious balancing where as everything has a chance to be good, and wont be noob freindly for one weapon, then 100% skill based for another, because as you can see, the soldat community now leans on the sharper edge of the weapon scale, the dreaded on shot killers.

Not only that, but the IGNORANCE of soldat players, who have NO common sense whatsoever...I was playing today, it was a 4v4 and EVERYONE was using an osk. I captured the flag, ran off, and made it to my base. To my surprise, there was my whole team. Camping. Where was the enemy? Camping somewhere in the middle of the map, with a few trying to get in.

Then the hackers...too lazy to have any fun so they ruin it all by hacking. Whats so fun about winning if you didnt accomplish anything? Im really starting to see things more clearly...like a burst of insight just hit me. Id rather play a game then beat it. If its fun, challenging, its a good game. If its an easy win, where theres shortcuts to quick victory, that doesnt go by. And soldat players these days, do not seem to realize that its the thrill of playing the game over winning. What IS winning? Its the END of the game, where the fun ceases. Yeah, its exciting you won, but what fun is it as to how you accomplished the victory? Have you ever noticed its boring when you win consistantly, over fighting for challenging wins.

I've noticed that usually I have MUCH more fun if I'm playing with people I know and recognize. When that happens, I don't have to worry about winning, but more about having friendly rivalry with that person. It's pretty cool. I'm not quite sure what it all means, but it seems like to me, winning is a way to prove myself to people who don't know who I am.

quote:Originally posted by ExtacideThe soldat community just CEASES to amaze me. No, really, there is no surprise to it. Im just getting sick of people, but now ive come to a logical conclusion. People, always want to win. Regardless of how good they are, they must win, because winning > fun. They suck, so the obvious choice is to go with a barret or m79. If you manage to kill someone with your 1337 osk skills, then w00t!!! If you're sprayed by an mp5, OMFG YOU EFFING SPRAYTARD HK SHOULD BE NERFED SO I CAN WIN! This applies to other weapons as well...

Soldat needs a serious balancing where as everything has a chance to be good, and wont be noob freindly for one weapon, then 100% skill based for another, because as you can see, the soldat community now leans on the sharper edge of the weapon scale, the dreaded on shot killers.

Not only that, but the IGNORANCE of soldat players, who have NO common sense whatsoever...I was playing today, it was a 4v4 and EVERYONE was using an osk. I captured the flag, ran off, and made it to my base. To my surprise, there was my whole team. Camping. Where was the enemy? Camping somewhere in the middle of the map, with a few trying to get in.

Then the hackers...too lazy to have any fun so they ruin it all by hacking. Whats so fun about winning if you didnt accomplish anything? Im really starting to see things more clearly...like a burst of insight just hit me. Id rather play a game then beat it. If its fun, challenging, its a good game. If its an easy win, where theres shortcuts to quick victory, that doesnt go by. And soldat players these days, do not seem to realize that its the thrill of playing the game over winning. What IS winning? Its the END of the game, where the fun ceases. Yeah, its exciting you won, but what fun is it as to how you accomplished the victory? Have you ever noticed its boring when you win consistantly, over fighting for challenging wins.


tehe your silly.

wtf? not all servers have gone mad! for example:
INF: fk.hosting
prolamerzz
laughinglamas

ctf: u13 servers
lauhginglamas (i rarely see them)

dm: just look for a server with no [WM] ad.

quote:Originally posted by KazukiI've noticed that usually I have MUCH more fun if I'm playing with people I know and recognize.



Hey just say when pal. Remember the fun we used to have on TS? ahh good days.

Haha, of course I remember. I made a movie out of it, even. <_<

"Hitman juggles cocks." Hehe.