Ok, well, I've just been on 1.3.1 for like 10mins. And like, I must say that their have been some major changes that have affected the way that I play on Soldat.

There are really only two things I am personally disapointed on with the new Soldat.
1. Barrett Changes
2. Combat Knife Changes

Now before anyone of you try flaming me about "Quit Whining blah blah blah" or "You devote your time to one weapon" or "This is Weapon balance blah blah", I am not so much whining but more of expressing my own opinion about this subject. After all, I am posting in the category "1.3.1 related complaints and/or whining", I have a right to express my opionion. And no, it is unfair to say that I am devoted to whatever weapon you accuse me of being devoted of. Judge me only if you have seen me play, if you haven't, keep it shut. And its not like I always use my Barrett, I use it around about 70%. Because sometimes Barrett's just don't work in fast DeathMatches. And lastly, I do supoort that weapon balance since I do see some good in it. I think for those people who are new to the game and those without as much skill as others could really benefit since its easy for them on public servers etc.


1. Barrett Changes

Im not a big fan of the changes to the Barrett. In fact, the only thing I don't like is the "short wait time before firing". I think that this just totally wrecks the Barrett. It has become all but pointless to use now, and is probably encouraging more camping because its easier to gain kills with camping rather than running and killing. And I can only assume that this weapon may not be as popular as it used to, which in a way is a good sign in general. Instead of going on about my personal fustrations with this weapon now, I'll just say what I think should have been done instead.

Instead of "short wait time before firing", I think that there should have instead been an "extended delay in between each shot". So that means that after you fire a shot from the barrett, it takes longer to be able to make another shot. I mean slowing the fireing rate really damages this weapon. I'll be like extinct just like the LAW had been for a while.


2. Combat Knife Changes

Yes. It is true that the Combat Knife had been overused. Heaps of people were using it as their primary weapon at many times (especially in DM). But I don't see it as any reason why we should do anything to this weapon in the first place. I mean the knife is virtually useless if its not in short range battles. The furthest kill I've ever had with a knife is only like 26 or 27 metres. Compare that to a Barrett (my max 210m), or Ruger (95m) etc. The knife is useless if you keep a certain amount of distance away from them. The only thing you can do with it is STAB or THROW. I don't think the knife should have been changed at all.


It's YOUR fault if you got owned by the Barrett or the Knife too many times. You should play SOLDAT more often and get familiar with it. Practising is essential for succeeding in this game. When I first started playing SOLDAT, I wasn't too good at it, I was owned by Barrett's and Knifes etc. And I was constantly owned by the same guy, same weps. But I've learnt that if you can't beat them with another weapon, join em and use whatever weapon they have used. And after many hours of practise, I have been exceptionally good with both these weapons (Barrett and Knife), and thus I am not too happy with these changes. However, I do not solely rely on these weapons as much as some others that I know.

I'd also like to add that its not the guy who owned you, 's fault that they are too good. He/She is only good cause they practise and play alot of Soldat with whatever weapon the choose to try 'master'. The weapons are there, and its a matter of choice whether you would like to use it.

So I suggest that whoever complains, stop complaining and uses their time to instead play more Soldat and try to become a better player in it. Complaining won't get you far.

Support and opinions are welcome, I am not looking for any trouble, nor do I want to create any so please, try keep it PG when your gonna say something negative towards me.

Nruan

quote:Originally posted by NruanYou should play SOLDAT more often and get familiar with it. Practising is essential for succeeding in this game.

Exactly. Now practice is needed if you're going to use knife or Barret. Eventually people will get used to both and everything will be fine.

hi nuran!! im Leung Yu Wing

I agree with you totally!! And I have a soldat 1.3 install program & soldat 1.2.1 install program which is my favourite FN Minimi pack!! Wanna get it??

i just dont get it... why did they ruin barret if they could have make the autos better. :/
now that would be uber fair.

and the knife is terribly slow in 1.3.1. even i tried to hold the throw button as long as i can, but it throws it only 2/3 distance of the old knife and waaay too slowly.

quote:Originally posted by wmghi nuran!! im Leung Yu Wing

I agree with you totally!! And I have a soldat 1.3 install program & soldat 1.2.1 install program which is my favourite FN Minimi pack!! Wanna get it??

DO NOT WANT

I Like the Barret is more inacurate, but why the start up time?? Thats really SUCK!
WTF was wrong with the knife? Everybody liked just as it was. Its so god damn slow now, and you can't own with it.
If you look away from that, I just love 1.3.1!!

" I think that this just totally wrecks the Barrett. It has become all but pointless to use now, and is probably encouraging more camping because its easier to gain kills with camping rather than running and killing. And I can only assume that this weapon may not be as popular as it used to, which in a way is a good sign in general."

Your arguments do not constitute the fact that you cant relearn how to use the barret. It should take you 5 minutes to get used to the changes, and move on. You must not be as wise a soldat player as you make it seem to be.

quote:Originally posted by _Mancer_" I think that this just totally wrecks the Barrett. It has become all but pointless to use now, and is probably encouraging more camping because its easier to gain kills with camping rather than running and killing. And I can only assume that this weapon may not be as popular as it used to, which in a way is a good sign in general."

Your arguments do not constitute the fact that you cant relearn how to use the barret. It should take you 5 minutes to get used to the changes, and move on. You must not be as wise a soldat player as you make it seem to be.


Yes, its true u can relearn the Barrett. However, it will not take "5minutes" to get used to the changes. At least not for me. It took me like weeks of practise just to get my old barrett skills, now this weapon totally wrecks those old skills i used to have, i just complain about that wait before firing. And the barrett doesn't own anymore for me, it doesn't work. Now I'm forced to try learn another weapon well.

I may not be as wise a soldat player too, however, please justify why this is so, because I do NOT think I am unwise at all.

The barret now is the suckest weapon i know, you can't kill that players who stay in the air, and the knif?!OMG put his power again!VIAGRA in the knife now!

quote:Originally posted by NruanI think that this just totally wrecks the Barrett. It has become all but pointless to use now, and is probably encouraging more camping because its easier to gain kills with camping rather than running and killing.

Pointless to use? You must be one terrible soldat player. I don't even use barret, and I can hold my ground with it quite easily. When playing against skilled barreters, they can use it JUST as well as before.

Besides, I wouldn't mind more camping. That's what the sniper rifle SHOULD be. How bout you take your OWN advice and do this:

quote:You should play SOLDAT more often and get familiar with it. Practising is essential for succeeding in this game.

Sorry, but the fact is barret was overpowered, and a decently skilled barreter could beat any weapon. It was overused, as was knife. I would know about the knife because I would use it all the time, and soemtimes it was just TOO easy. Everyone had knives. Rarely would you see a law or a soccom. Barret was so easy that I could be raping someone on the alt route 15-1.... then he would grab barret, and start raping me.

It's funny.... Knife was my all time secondary ever since Law got nerfed. I used it all the time and loved it. Now that it got nerfed, do you see me whining? No. I'm practicing it. More skill = more fun. Go practice.

HOLD THE FREAKING THROW BUTTON DOWN LONGER. IT HAS A GRENADE-LIKE CHARGE UP TIME.

THANKYOUVERYMUCH

It took 5 seconds with a non-barretard like me to get used to the barret. The 5 seconds where I shot at someone and then shot down a running guy. =)

"Pointless to use? You must be one terrible soldat player."

Oh yes, I must be one terrible soldat player lol. I doubt you have even seen me play, or played against me. Don't make assumptions dude, and say something smart amd useful. If you can't manage to do that then please don't say anything at all.

"I don't even use barret, and I can hold my ground with it quite easily." "Barret was so easy that I could be raping someone on the alt route 15-1.... then he would grab barret, and start raping me. "


Yea, you can stand your ground easy, then someone comes and Barrett's you. Now I can probably understand why you are like this, personally attacking me. Its probably because you get owned by too many skilled barrettards. Thats my assumption, may not be true.

"Besides, I wouldn't mind more camping. That's what the sniper rifle SHOULD be."

Camping requires almost no skill. Anyone can camp and kill. It gets annoying and thats the reason only why I have to use a Barrett. If you come across some good campers, they almost never miss, and the only thing that works for me is to try and Barrett them back. I find it quite appaling that you are actually promoting/encouraging camping. Campers have like no skill.

If you are going to try and attack me personally on the way I play etc, then do it with some evidence or something. Please don't make accusations/assumptions, because I may assume the same for you.

Just so you know, you're talking to someone (Marbire) who most likely has a lot more experience than you. Simply guessing, since I've seen him playing for years and you, well..never. But that's not the issue. The barret is the issue. His words ring true in that you must be pretty bad at Soldat to not be able to use this barret. It'd be smart for you to follow your own advice and not make it personal.

As a beta tester I have to say the barret is far from useless. There's a small delay on there...it doesn't take much to get used to or get past, and if you can't accomplish that then I don't really feel that sorry for you. Why should I? In the first line of your post you say "After playing 1.3.1 for 10 minutes.."...all of ten minutes 'eh? There are plenty of people who moan about the changes to guns between versions, a fresh batch of 'em at every release, and this doesn't sound that different from any of the other banter imo. In case you hadn't noticed, the barret is meant for camping and sniping..it's not meant for running around and shooting people at point blank range. Use it for camping and it's very effective..if you can't adapt that's not anyone's problem but your own.

As for your complaints about the knife...do you know anything else a knife can do other than stab or be thrown? Not on this planet (cutting aside, but since you can't cut in Soldat..no issue). Again, the changes are relatively minor to overcome and you can still use the knife with relative efficiency. Far from useless when you use it under the right circumstances and refrain from trying to throw it at people from across the screen. And while this game isn't totally realistic, find that aspect of the knife to be pretty realisitic..after all, you try killing someone by throwing a knife across a room at them. You might sink it in, but as far as a deathblow goes you're prolly not getting squat without some good aim (and no, I don't care if you have good aim or not, simply an example).

I'm wondering why you have these issues...you say a few times that it's up to you to practice, it's up to the user to make use of the weapon..so why can't you deal with a delay that's a fraction of a second? Useless is an exhaggeration that doesn't really apply to either weapon here.

quote:Originally posted by The GeologistJust so you know, you're talking to someone (Marbire) who most likely has a lot more experience than you. Simply guessing, since I've seen him playing for years and you, well..never. But that's not the issue. The barret is the issue. His words ring true in that you must be pretty bad at Soldat to not be able to use this barret. It'd be smart for you to follow your own advice and not make it personal.

As a beta tester I have to say the barret is far from useless. There's a small delay on there...it doesn't take much to get used to or get past, and if you can't accomplish that then I don't really feel that sorry for you. Why should I? In the first line of your post you say "After playing 1.3.1 for 10 minutes.."...all of ten minutes 'eh? There are plenty of people who moan about the changes to guns between versions, a fresh batch of 'em at every release, and this doesn't sound that different from any of the other banter imo. In case you hadn't noticed, the barret is meant for camping and sniping..it's not meant for running around and shooting people at point blank range. Use it for camping and it's very effective..if you can't adapt that's not anyone's problem but your own.

As for your complaints about the knife...do you know anything else a knife can do other than stab or be thrown? Not on this planet (cutting aside, but since you can't cut in Soldat..no issue). Again, the changes are relatively minor to overcome and you can still use the knife with relative efficiency. Far from useless when you use it under the right circumstances and refrain from trying to throw it at people from across the screen. And while this game isn't totally realistic, find that aspect of the knife to be pretty realisitic..after all, you try killing someone by throwing a knife across a room at them. You might sink it in, but as far as a deathblow goes you're prolly not getting squat without some good aim (and no, I don't care if you have good aim or not, simply an example).

I'm wondering why you have these issues...you say a few times that it's up to you to practice, it's up to the user to make use of the weapon..so why can't you deal with a delay that's a fraction of a second? Useless is an exhaggeration that doesn't really apply to either weapon here.


Yes, I am aware that Marbine probably has more experience than I do at Soldat. I have only been playing Soldat since September 2004. I am also aware that he is obviously better respected by the Soldat community than I am (lack of participation in Forums). However, I felt that his post in response to mine was quite personal, and too some point I felt that he could have been kinder in the way he approached it, I guess that I may have over-reacted to some extent. If Marbine had approached his response just as you did I would not have over-reacted, somewhere in Marbines post, it was as if he was calling me a "No*b". If Marbine or you have been in anyway discomforted by any of my comments then I offer my apology.

I am aware that you (The Geologist) are a active Soldat community member. I have even noticed that you make serveral maps whilst I have been playing (if I remember correctly). And in response to your comment on " There are plenty of people who moan about the changes to guns between versions, a fresh batch of 'em at every release", this is the first time I have complained about any Soldat new release. I have had no complaints about this game up to now. I feel that it was not neccessary to change these weapons and the powers it posessed in the first place. This is probably based on the fact, I had gotten used to alot of the game now, and from this point the two weapons almost feel new. From the group of clan members and fellow friends on Soldat, I do find that almost all of my friends do share the same thoughts as I do on this matter of the weapon changes. And I can only assume that their are probably more people that whine about these changes than before. I have also never seen the Soldat Forums before make a "whining forum" for people to post into ever. This may just be my lack of participation in these forums.

My purpose for this new thread was to see other peoples responses to the new changes. And yes, I have read other threads within this "whining forum". I for one am not entirely happy with these changes. I just wanted to see if their were any people that shared the same thoughts as I did besides my Soldat buddies. Perhaps it may have been best for me to not post this thread on the Official Soldat Forums, as I would probably be more critisied than supported.

I've been trying to adapt to these changes for 1.3.1. So far, I can say that I can live with it. However, I would prefer the Barrett and Knife to remain at its old form (1.3, 1.2.1). Between the time of my 1st post to now, it has probably been 3 odd hours I have played with this new version. I think this new version isn't too bad, I only have concerns for the two weapons.

I am also aware that the Barrett is meant for camping and sniping, after all thats what it was there for. However during my time on public servers, their have been plenty of people who complain about me when tried camping, and thus I rarely camp with the Barrett these days. Therefore, I have been resorted into running and killing with the Barrett, personally it works for me better and I would always have a knife in handy if my Barrett didn't reload back intime for another shot. I hope you can see why I am dissapointed, and others such as you may not share the same feelings for this matter as I. I respect that.

I will also admit that some of my knife complaints may have been absurd, mainly because of over-reacting. I am well aware that their is not much a knife can do besides either wielding it and stabbing/slashing/cutting or throwing it. This is my BAD. I do feel that the knife has lost some of its qualities, and if you do not think so and must post back in response then I only ask for those who do so, do it constructively and polietly.

Overall, many of these issues I bring up are my personal opinions. They may not be right in your sense, however they may be for me. I only ask for those who reply against my views to do so constructively and polietly without suggesting that I am anything negative (i.e. I cannot play the game, I am a n0*b and that I should just get on with it). You know, I will probably get over these issues in the coming days, it is just a little annoying when you have had success in the past and now you are not at your peak anymore with some of your favoured weapons.

Sifff lay off nuran sheeesh not an excuse for jack offs to lay into him he was only saying what he thought...sheeesh however the changes to the barret r good it has put and end to the barretrds eveil reign..however spawned a much more eveil monster...the m79atard it has become pointless to ove without being blown apart by nade shots....and no cheap come baks how u guys could own me plz...dream on....and i only posted to helpout nuran..p.s this was the 1 and only .:|UoW|:.=$tOrM=

My opinion on using both knife and barret at same time is that its just like handicapping yourself. You got 2 shots to kill 2 people, maybe more with nades, but after losing knife and barret reload, you leave yoruself open. Use a socom with barret.

Just something I thought about when I saw the topic title.

Well Nruan, to sum up your paragraph up there, you essentially said "I can live with it, but I liked it better when Barret/Knife pwned everything else". I'm sure all the auto-ers out there can live with self-bink, but would like it better if it was taken off. I'm sure all the LAW players out there can live with their delay, but would like it better if it was taken off. I'm sure Mancer would love to have his 1.2.1 Ruger back. Hell, I'm sure all the barret users would love to go back to the old days where there was no movement penalty or bink on the barret. But I didn't hear you crying when 1.3 came out and my Steyr/LAW combo was nerfed. I had the same reaction you did, I thought that it was unfair that my weapons were beaten to hell, after all, nobody complained about the Steyr in 1.2.1, right? The fact is, while we would all like it if are weapons went back to their previous, super easy forms, that's not going to change, because the individual weapons were nerfed for the good of the whole, for the sake of good gameplay. And btw, every single weapon that has been nerfed in the past has still proven to be useful, albeit maybe not as versatile. I still use Steyr/LAW to this day, but I don't rely on them solely, because instead of the weapons being a one size fit all thing, they all have their strategic advantages and disadvantages now, and it is your duty as a skilled Soldat player to understand that and utilize the best weapon for the situation.

quote:Originally posted by solohan50Well Nruan, to sum up your paragraph up there, you essentially said "I can live with it, but I liked it better when Barret/Knife pwned everything else". I'm sure all the auto-ers out there can live with self-bink, but would like it better if it was taken off. I'm sure all the LAW players out there can live with their delay, but would like it better if it was taken off. I'm sure Mancer would love to have his 1.2.1 Ruger back. Hell, I'm sure all the barret users would love to go back to the old days where there was no movement penalty or bink on the barret. But I didn't hear you crying when 1.3 came out and my Steyr/LAW combo was nerfed. I had the same reaction you did, I thought that it was unfair that my weapons were beaten to hell, after all, nobody complained about the Steyr in 1.2.1, right? The fact is, while we would all like it if are weapons went back to their previous, super easy forms, that's not going to change, because the individual weapons were nerfed for the good of the whole, for the sake of good gameplay. And btw, every single weapon that has been nerfed in the past has still proven to be useful, albeit maybe not as versatile. I still use Steyr/LAW to this day, but I don't rely on them solely, because instead of the weapons being a one size fit all thing, they all have their strategic advantages and disadvantages now, and it is your duty as a skilled Soldat player to understand that and utilize the best weapon for the situation.


Nicely said, well I think that sums it up.

I dont relize why people dont want change, wouldn't you want to savour the flavour of soldat by having more challanges and hills to overcome. It would be boring if it was solidaritly the same all the time and minor changes were made to damage and so on. Well...

MARBIRE SAID I'm practicing it. More skill = more fun. Go practice.

Ok i agree half and half. The barret now is alot harder to master in motion. Much harder to see were to aim while your moving, your enemy is moving, and there a pause. So i think people will get annoyed and camp like wusseys. Now with the knife i can slauter people just as fast XD. I think the knife is a liitle slow but all right its not that big of a change compared to the stupid barret.well i hope 1.3.2 or whatever the next one is changes it.

They ruined it because they didn't nerfed it: they just changed the way that it works.

I don't care if barret works greats now; I think it's unfair for the 1 hit kill lovers. A Fair solution would be adding aim huge penalties while moving or increasing the delay a bit. But I think they changed the way it works, and that suxs because barret is now a new weapon.

As I said in another post: they should copy the nerf that was done on Counterstrike with artic.

And about the knife: WTF? that weapon used to be DA FUN of this game.. why te f.. did you change the funniest secondary weapon?? Why you guys change things that aren't broke? I just don't get it.

On 1.3 the worse weapon to get was barret... No one can win a DM using a barret with more than 8 skilled players (I mean skilled m78ers, ruger/socom, autos). Now: it's just imposible to be on the half top of the scoreboard.

So they didn't change the way the autos worked in 1.3? Self-bink required a complete overhaul of auto-ing techniques for every single player. They didn't change the way the LAW worked in 1.3? This change also required changing your strategy with it. But, if you notice, there's still tons of people using autos, a lot of people using LAW (especially now that the knife has been taken down to the same level as the LAW, so nobody can take the easy way out with the knife), and I see a fair amount of people using Barret still. As for adding huge aim penalties, it's actually far easier to use the Barret with just a delay on it rather than having the Barret completely unusable while moving. Plus, the beta testers wanted to actually be fair to the people who use Barret, and make it usable while you're moving. And as for adding even more delay, it still doesn't change the big problem with OHK weapons in clan wars, and that problem is it doesn't matter how long the time between shots is, the chances are that by the time the guy you shot respawns and meets you, you've already reloaded, so that fix doesn't really change anything either. And btw....Barret was never meant to be a DM weapon, it reloads far too slowly to be really effective in a fast-paced DM, unless of course, all you're doing is running away from people like one of those "wusseys" that camp.

I understand the changes with barret, and I think it`s a good thing, because barret was so much better than other weapons, and it was used by everybody, all the time...
But knife changes do suck. Knife was not too powerful. And now its nearly useless. But why?
Before 1.3, I used LAW but then I had to use knife. Now I don`t use even knife because I DON`T PLAY SOLDAT ANYMORE, because nowadays Soldat sucks. Soldat has come too realistic, and realism is not fun. It means that Soldat is not fun anymore. Wheb shooting or throwing is slow, it is not fun, because you can`t get contact, and its not sharp.

heres the thing- ive been playing for a LONG time.

I am not having trouble with the barrett. I disagree with ANYONE who thinks its a change for rhe worse.
I am a "barrett [CENSORED]" as i think someone needs to put some support in, and all it means is i have to compensate a little more for each shot- sucks a bit, but thats the life of a Barrett user, hard work and hatred for a job which can turn the tide of ANY battle.

bottom line: quit whining and go use the steyr if you want an easy game.

lol barret better than other weapons. You can kill one person every 4-5 seconds. Most other weapons allow possibilty for multiple kills per clip. That's how I see it.