I know its so long but pls read it and reply ;)

I'm_convinced_ that m79 requires a lot of skill, cause you have to dodge bullets while ur m79 reloads. And if u miss the shot u get killed instantly by e.g Barretard. Ur movement has to be v.good and smart enaugh to fool ur enemy spraying at u. Other skilly thing about m79 is boosting which is now a difficult way of escaping ( dmg for booster is increased by 30% ) (im ofcoz talking about long-range boosts like e.g. 4 boosts on b2b while enemy sprays at u). In previous versions ppl using barret were called barretards (now its more seldom)(Barret - retard), or steyer, AK, hkmp5 players started to be called sprayers(it didn't matter wheather he sprayed or not) but nobody claimed against m79. So some guys (like me) started training m79 (i play it since like 1.1.5) and got very good at it. M79 remains unchanged for few versions now and other weapons get weakened (steyer 1.2.1 -> 1.3 or DE), so m79 players are in a great adventage. Nowadays ppl like Hynkyz (my clan-mate), Meandor, ZuQu, Gigen or myself are v.good at m79 but still get called "noob, nab, nabb, newb, nap, n00b" or whatever else.
I play the game since 1.0.5b and i dont think of myself as a noob. To show u on an example i played a 1vs1 with a ~|DoG|~Iron Maiden. While i used m79 i was winning like +5 right on the start but he said that im a "fool and i have to learn a skilly weapon such as minimi" I didnt listen to him so he kept saying things like "poor noob" and so on. So after a while i changed to DE and lost slightly. On the second map "flashback" he sprayed me with the minimi on long distances so my DE couldn't do much.

It's a pitty ppl think so about m79. I'll keep playing the damn gun whatever ppl say. Its the best, the most _skill_requiering_ of all.

PS. I got tired writing that so pls read it and reply ;)

Well, one thing you have to think about is that even if your gun isn't changed, it's role in gameply can be if every other weapon is changed.

I know there is some skill in being a "pro" M79 user. The thing is though, you only need to use those skills in but just a handful of situations. Usually all you have to do is point and click with an estimation of where the target and the shell will collide, which is very, very, very simple.

It is now by far the cheapest weapon in the game (since the knife was given a skill-requiring gameplay component). Any noob can use it for a half hour and be a prick with it. Any of the autos require way more skill, considering you have to train your aim on your target and make your shots... it's very easy to be killed by any of the instant kill weapons or power weapons (deagles/ruger) in that time.


Oh and I just read the last half of your post, and from the looks of things, you are indeed a noob. The M79 is the only weapon you're good with? As chut says below me: "lol"

M79 is a noob weapon to keep noobs from quitting early because they're so awful with any other gun. It's portable instant-death with a fast reload. That said, in regards to your post, my only reply is, "lol".

I don't think that m79 is a cheap weapon.. and many newbies actually prefer other guns, because as soon as they realise, that skilled players can evade most of their 'newbish' shosts without much effort, they tend to choose autos with 'endless' clips like AK or Minimi, hoping they will at least cause some damage or finish someone else's target -))

The reason why m79 is.. well, not hated.. but not regarded as a 'skill0r weapon' is, in my opinion, that it's just used far too much..

in my experience n00bs use barets, they camp in groups, instant 1 hit kill, if they miss another takes a shot at you, i reckon m79 is the best, it does require skill to use

the m79 is fairly cheap, especially in CTF. in a CTF game you can more or less fly around with immunity one shot killing whomever you please. as long as you keep your speed up you'll be moving too fast for the autos to get ahold of you, yet you can still kill very easily and quickly. like person said the m79's ability to hit almost anything with ease is remarkible. i was really surprized how easy it is to shoot down at players with pin point accuracy. also, due to it's quick reloads you can spray with the damn thing. whenever i play around with it i find that 30% of my kills are from spraying the weapon. all you really need to do to spray the m79 is to fire it off screen at a steep angle and due to all the distance it travels in going up, then back down there is a strong probability that someone will run into the shell. those point-blank m79 shots of 1.2.1 and 1.3 were uber cheap. i really hated tearing into an m79er and taking nearly all his health only to have him blast me point-blank with the m79 as soon as i got close, and he would still live. luckly 1.3.1 adressed this (*woot* MM and the beta testers).

it's a really fun weapon to use and the heavy trajectory allows it to do things that other weapons cannot. i like the weapon and it should stay in soldat, but it IS cheap. adding 30% more self damage has cut back on the cheapness but there is still room for improvement. getting back on topic... i don't think it is or was a noob gun, but it is fast becoming one. in 1.2.1 i rarely saw any "soldiers" using m79s but i have seen quite a few "majors" with m79s in 1.3 and a few of them were camping. for the most part newbies seem to stay away from it. i don't know if it's the heavy trajectory or that the weapons is best used while shooting down whilst flying (a skill most newbies have yet to master), but it seems like it's not the first choice for newbies. so no it's not a noob gun yet.

If any of you'd like to prove to me that M79 is so noob, i'm up for a 1 on 1 M79 style anytime, thx bye.

blade_soldat@hotmail.com

I agree with you about M79
You said about M79 need a good skill, i very agree!
Barret also is, it need skill, and barret reload is longer than M79 ya!,if you can't kill your target, you really easy kill by them
so, your skill need very powerful!
If still have people said M79 or Barret no need skill can use it well. I just can said, you haven't player with really pro M79 player or really pro Barret player!
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And i want to talk about, have people said that
Any noob can use it(M79) for a half hour and be a prick with it.
i want to say, any weapon you keep on use it, i don't think you can't use it for a half hour and be a prick with it!
at least , you will know how to use it and use it kill people!!!

quote:Originally posted by personI know there is some skill in being a "pro" M79 user. The thing is though, you only need to use those skills in but just a handful of situations. Usually all you have to do is point and click with an estimation of where the target and the shell will collide, which is very, very, very simple.


I would like to see you prove this. Mind for a 1v1? Ill use socom and you can use m79. Actually, even better. Ill use the weapon you tell me to use (excluding Law, knife, chainsaw and fists), and you use m79. This goes to anyone who seems to believe m79 is a easy weapon to use.

Most people in clans, that play in leagues competitevely will tell you m79 is actually one of the most difficult guns to use. This isnt the average joe from a public server, these are probably the best players. This is because in clanwars, people arent playing stupidly. If anyone plays with even the mildest bit of carefulness, beating a m79 shouldnt be hard, ofcourse other factors come in (for example, skill of m79 user, map), but im talking in general.

btw, chut and person, I dont believe the person you are talking to is a noob.

My response to you guys who say m79 is a cheap weapon. Join a clan, use m79 in clanwars, and get owned.

m79 can easily be mastered. I used m79 for a year. M79ers are just people who can get a few kills along the way to the flag, but when faced against a good ruger/auto person, theyre demolished because of bink/and movement problems.

M79 is easy to use. Easy to pinpoint were the person will touch the ground, were the person is elevating to, easy to know were the person will run to. Sadly though, half of m79 hits dont work and thats the MAIN reason I stopped using it. I loved it though, I would never miss, and would usually just die because the hits woudnt register.

M79 is pretty much. A noob weapon. Easy to handle, easy to kill, easy period.

Ok, EVERYONE can dodge bullets.
You like boosting? Cool, alright. You like avoiding people, getting to the flag, and boosting back.
IF YOU WERE AS GOOD as you say you are. You would NOT get hurt by boosting. I barely ever did, and in this version. Not even a scratch.

If you got sprayed by a minimi, and didnt spray back with DE your a noob at autos obviously. M79 will lose in dm, will lose in scrims because you cannot run around passing people like you do in public servers. I think you need to stop whining, and take it in. The fact that m79 is noob.

If you are very good with a standard m79 (not this rapid fire crap), and can instantly kill 99 percent of the time, you are a brilliant player. It doesn't mater what weapon you use, if you can ace everybody else, true players will take their hats off to you.

I stopped calling m79 "newbish" - Its not, as said 200x, its not very hard to master at all. All you need is some fancy footwork and the hang of aiming where the person is going to, and BAM you have just made it in to the community of thousands of m79ers ~ Even newbies standing completely still can beat you - thats the thing about m79 that especially turns people off.

AMD Athlete, the person you played sucked. Dont let him get to you saying you're a noob for using m79. If he truly was intelligent, he'd have picked a better weapon to counter your m79 with, and force you to play by his rules instead of yours. Unless you agree to some sort of DM rules stating you can't use m79, keep using it unless the weapon you're up against proves to have the advantage over m79. The truly best of soldat, can adapt, counter, and execute the perfect display of attack and movement to best suit every situation.

These discussions never end...

The Barret is noob because it is 1-hit-kill, people camp with it, just aim and fire, takes no skill and and bla bla bla
The M79 is noob because of 1-hit-kill, fast reload, boosting and bla bla bla
Autos are also noob because they have endless clip, you hold the trigger and shoot everywhere and you kill someone and bla bla bla.

As you see.. everything sucks, everything is noobish, and this leaves us with nothing.
Maybe Michal should rewrite Soldat entirely and add all-new guns.. Imagine Soldat with 18 different sniper rifles, or 18 grenade launchers, or 18 autos only. That would be the only way to stop you people from complaining.

First of all I am not talking about playing-on-publics-with-noobs (its too easy), but passworded servers only for the ppl who know how to play soldat (e.g. #soldat.gather) and playing m79 on cw vs such clans like X'fect, {EF}, NF| and so on. And believe me its veeery easy now to die while boosting away with the flag getting sprayed by 3x minimi (EF). And i dont believe you boost form one end of b2b to another without_touching_the_ground getting sprayed and not having a even a sratch DRIVENUNDER. I would like to see that (i never did).

Secondly: DeMo: PPl will always curse others for using _any_kind_of_weapon_ if they are very good at it.Even if it's chainsaw.

Furthermore: I am not a booster. But sometimes i use this adventage of m79. Boosting with nades causes me no problems either.

vash763: Thats true, but u dont have to change your movement (like barret-users from 1.3 -> 1.3.1). Maybe the reload time has been changed... but i didn't notice it really ;p

As Poop said _it_really_requires_skill. Playing m79 is not only point-click-and-your-pro. Try to play it against _real_ players, not some noobs on publics ;s

Persons quote :"Oh and I just read the last half of your post, and from the looks of things, you are indeed a noob. The M79 is the only weapon you're good with?"
I wrote i the other half of my post (the one you didn't read) that i play DE also (i use it when lag makes my m79 useless) and played it for a looong time too. And am i a noob ? I am afraid you dont know the meaning of this word. so stfu

Why i changed weapon on the 1vs1 with IronMaiden ? Cause i wanted him to shut the hell up, even if i knew i can loose the match. I doesn't matter anyway, it was for fun.

M79 is for noobs. kthxgg.
Ive said this many times, an autistic kid at my school is good with M79, he plays soldat rarely. Mentally disabled kids are good with M79?

Is the m79 noob? Well so is the barret, minigun, mp5, deagles, ruger, spas, AUG, ak-74, minimi, law and socom.

Hell, the only weapons that aren't noob are the chainsaw and knife.

Use m79 and don't see it as a noob weapon, knife is a noob weapon to point and klick always one hit kill, if not shoot 1 time and the person is dead. I hate people who are good with rugers because they pick me of far away and another problem we have is that sometimes our bullets "MISS" you even if we see a hit so you can be happy about that, and you might even get one big bost when running away with the flag. Our range is short so don't go close combat and then call us noobs.

Poop:
I've seen the M79 used well in clanwars. On maps such as Voland, it does it's trick quite well if you haven't noticed.


AMD:
Perhaps you are not a noob in the full sense of the word, but still, the point is: it seems that your only weapon of preference is the M79. Most good players have a variety they choose from, not just one or two weapons. The deagles have fared mostly favourably for me against a few minimi users the times I've used them since 1.3.1.

I already stated taht map has to do with the overpoweredness of a weapon. Maps like Voland and Nuubia are more advantageous for m79 users, the same way maps like run are more geared towards ruger and barret, the same way maps like viet and laos are better for autos. I believe I said this in the weapon balance discussion also.

I also said this before but ill say it again. The reason m79 does well in public servers is due to 2 factors.
1. There are generally alot of people in publics, the chance of atleast 1 person being in the range of your m79 is much higher in pubs than in clanwars.
2. People dont play tactically in public servers. They are not trying to avoid a m79, if they tried to avoid it, they probably can. If your going to rush at a m79'r, prepare to get blown. btw, guess what most people do in publics... Rush wildly.

Ive used m79 alternate route for 1.5 years now, and there are still people that can beat me if all they do is spray a steyr or stay away with a ruger. And these people started the game like 3 months ago.... Its kinda sad how people generalize m79 as being a noob weapon when they only play in publics. Yes, m79 is a easy weapon to use in publics, but try to play/join a half-decent clan. You will notice that competitive soldat is a whole different story than pubs.

So once again, I am willing to demonstrate how to beat a m79 user if any of you are looking to learn something. If anyone wants to 1v1 me, mittal87@msn.com .

Funny how the people defending the m79 have low postcounts :\

Why is that funny?

[Insert obligitory "LEARN TO TYPE" post here]

In my eyes the major problem with M79 isn't that it's so easy to use or that it might be overpowered, but only that it's overused. At least I haven't had big problems with M79 in clanwars. It can just be very anoying if you play 6vs6 in a public server, and 11 of those guys use M79, so you just get killed all the time. And when noobs see how effective this weapon is, they just use it themselves. So perhaps the M79 isn't a weapon for noobs, but simply the weapon most noobs use.
I think a server-side option letting you set how many players can use specific weapons at once might be a good addition for solving this problem. Only this way it'd suck for people who adore M79 for example, but can't use it because some other guys on the server won't dare changing the weapon. But M79-overuse is a serious problem on public servers, it should be solved somehow.

quote:Originally posted by LollyFunny how the people defending the m79 have low postcounts :

Post count proves nothing.
I've been a member here for more than 3 years now and look at my post count.. Some people just choose not to engage in the same old endless discussions they've already seen in the past years.

funny how Lolly's posts are only equal to 1/15 of mine...

Oh wait, that's not funny at all..because posts counts matter as much as if i had my hand in a glass of [CENSORED] right now.

Posts don't matter, oh and Drivenunder, u were alright at it, but u would miss more then u thought...it always feels like u hit every time until u look back at it later when u actually don't miss...

poop is quite the able M79, and is probably the best i've seen...me and him go at it m79vm79 alt route and it's quite fun and exciting...if I had a demo of it, none of you'd be saying it's noob...shots that'd make you piss your pants and lick up the mess!

I'd like to play with TIR_Blade or poop 1vs1 m79. If you guys are interested then reply and then we'll contact somehow. I think the topic is over... so pls close it.
And the winner is: M79 is _not_ noob-weapon.

kthxbb

quote:DeMo wrote:Post count proves nothing.
I've been a member here for more than 3 years now and look at my post count.. Some people just choose not to engage in the same old endless discussions they've already seen in the past years.

I totally agree with DeMo.

M79 is a weapon, period. People saying "weapon for noob" are just wrong. If you don't like it, don't use it...
If you put it that way, war is for noobs too.

quote:[i]I think a server-side option letting you set how many players can use specific weapons at once might be a good addition for solving this problem.

This is actually quite a good point which I have to agree with.. additional challenge would certainly be great -)

Hmmmm...I have so much mixed feelings about this weapon. I used to think this weapon was just awesome. I thought it wasn't really that cheap like...the barret. But now, the m79 just seems to tick me off now.

Perhaps, it's because 12 out of 16 people uses it... (Yeah, really...I remember that day, so many explosions). Every server I go to there's always one, or three or...more expert '79 users. Makes me kinda sad now. I loved to use the weapon, Now i just neglect it because everyone has it making it pointless for me to grab the '79 since it'll just make things boring.

*sigh* My kingdom for some diversity!

I think the m79 is a huge noob weap cause it has an area of effect, wheras the barat only has a thin sliver of an impact. it reloads too fast, i doubt u could actually reload an m79 5 times in a row at 3 seconds only (180 ticks, i believe)

quote:Originally posted by mike323I think the m79 is a huge noob weap cause it has an area of effect, wheras the barat only has a thin sliver of an impact. it reloads too fast, i doubt u could actually reload an m79 5 times in a row at 3 seconds only (180 ticks, i believe)
The bullet can be slow or fast depending on how fast you are. But the barret bullet goes way faster than any auto and if you aim good the victim is dead. Our bullets miss quite a bit more than autos, even if we see a full hit the person could just survive and get one big boost so see it as a good thing when runnning away with flag. About that reloading 5 times under 3 sec. nah it would be too good.

To you people who thinks its funny about low posters, check the date when they joined. I see the same topics everytime when I get here and you know the topic called last post win, it was created back then around 2002 october. Joined 13 Jan 2003 and was here a bit before that to.

Lol lolly, postcounts dont have anything to do with how skilled you are and about how much you know about soldat.

Second, i have used the m79 for quite a while before i switched to my beloved ruger. As an m79 user i realised that it actually is a weapon that requires alot of skill to use. I've seen people like Jaz use the weapon in incredible ways. (think of shots over high obstackles etc..)

So in this one i just have to agree with Poop, M79 is actually a great weapon that requires a lot of skill, and is very hard to use in IMPORTANT games.

Well, m79 isnt exactly the hardest gun to use, thus your 60% of soldat population using it now. IMO, the coolest way to use it is to pwn some nub with it, drop your secondary, pick it up load it, and use it to help your movement in a tight situations while using your primary still. People [CENSORED] themselves when they see a deagler kill 2 guys, and m79 boost themselves to a medikit to kill 2 more, and then actually kill them with an m79. Ive done this in scrims too, its quite fun. It gives you that smooth soldat deagler kind of feeling when you use m79 to help your primary efficiency rather then using it to kill.

But anyways, Barret > m79. Stop whining over it ~ Its overused yes, pull out a barret and kill the newbies enough and they eventually think: (wait a minute, hes using barret, my m79 sucks now.) So, he picks mah barret, little does he know its an uber skill weapon, so he gets raped, and gets confused. During this confusion, you steal the flag and run before he has time to think to himself clearly. Now if this would work in an actual clan match...Anyways, thats what teaches them. They see you use a weapon that kills them regardless of their weapon choice, and its difficult for them to even make a kill. Thats what inspires them to try other guns that arent OSK.

quote:Originally posted by AMD_Athlete
It's a pitty ppl think so about m79. I'll keep playing the damn gun whatever ppl say. Its the best, the most _skill_requiering_ of all.


The most Newbich weapons are LAW and M79. But it is only bacuse you can kill with one shot but that dusent mean it is easy to use M79.

well It's just very frustrating to get killed in one shot. For a weapon that can boost and kill in one shot, imo it's a bit to easy...especially on CTF-like games and on maps like voland. I wouldn't really call it a "noob" weapon, but when noobs get killed often by a specific weapon then they'll probably select that weapon aswell.

Eh Lolly, i know some players that pwn 90% of peeps here and have less than 20 posts.On topic:M79 is not a noob weapon, its just the most easy weapon to use in publics cause its easy to hit newer players with it than some veterans.

dude the M79 is easy to use and it is not for noobs

Ah, your input really put things in perspective for me killza!
Thx alot <3

Guys, meet the sequel of Close Combat.

quote:Originally posted by MelbaAh, your input really put things in perspective for me killza!
Thx alot <3


^Agreed^

Why was this topic ressed? O_o;

quote:Originally posted by DeMoThese discussions never end...
As you see.. everything sucks, everything is noobish, and this leaves us with nothing.
Maybe Michal should rewrite Soldat entirely and add all-new guns.. Imagine Soldat with 18 different sniper rifles, or 18 grenade launchers, or 18 autos only. That would be the only way to stop you people from complaining.


But Sniper 8 has 0.28 seconds faster reload than the Sniper 13! Waaaaaaaaaaaah!

It's definitely the Soldat (and on-line gaming in general) way to both gloat when you kill a "noob" and then cry when killed cause the "noob" was using a "noob" weapon. Still miffed by all the whining despite the inclusion of a weapons mod. Sheesh people.

I can't believe people still think that the weapons mod ever held any sway over what people wanted to play. Nobody wants to mess with any weapons settings unless they're playing a mod. Most want to play normal soldat, and not be told that we should just play against bots to see our own weapons...

How realistic is this "make your own server" suggestion? It's laughable. At the rate of people who want a miniscule change to the normal settings that are told to "get their settings on a server", there'd be a server for every player out there. Great.
It's [CENSORED]ing stupid, get over that useless little weapons mod. Worst/most pointless inclusion in soldat to date.

Topic Subject:

M79 simply kill in one shot if it hits someone
its not a weapon for noobs, its only to simple to simple to kill

the m79 is wíthout any doubt no weapon for newbs. it requires alot of skill, as said above, but then again, it's more of a 1 shotkill/death weapon. U usually don't get more than one or two kills with it. compared to the barret(which is mostly considered it's equal), it has nowhere near as many options.. Anyway, i use the m79 as a morter most of the time. You gotta love artillery =P

yep i use it most of times to

M79 Is the greatest weapon in the game.
All who oppose it shall face eternal damnation in hell and a faceful of grenades from me.
But the over-use really sucks.
I renember before 1.3, I was the only one in every server using an M79...
Anyways, You can pretty much dominate a game with it if you get pro, which is cool, you should be rewarded for sticking around, and it can switch roles and attack/defend very easily, it is very versatile, and works well with the knife, also, the shots, and kills are COOL, Especially the long ones. There are only 3 guns which can stop it, which is about right for each gun, Steyr, Socom(I find these really tough to fight with M79) and Ruger, and even then, if you're good enough you can beat them all, It's a gun for Skills. Saying so, it's not a noob gun, however, some people do use it tactically, which is not noob, also, to the person earlier, You lie about the M79 having a %30 chance at spraying. I can only hit like 1 person per game by spraying(off screen spraying), in a standard game, and that is if I am lucky.

To echo about the 1 kill thing, it's easy to get in atleast 3 per spawn, 25 is the max i've done.
And as by my lines above, you can see it does have a LOT of options.

@ Drivenunder: I can kill Rugers easily. You make this assumption without any proof, I also have witnesses on this forum of my Ruger killing ability. You may not be able to do it. But that is you. It has bink? The [CENSORED] kind of arguement is that? Every gun has to have some weakness right? Just because this gun may be weak against some guns, That does not make it noob. I agree with you on the Half no damage hits though, And about the easyness, I agree to some extent, but some people find the other guns really easy too, and i've seen some people find this gun really hard.

P.S: HI MISTER ANGRY! Are you The Ex-<3* Mister Angry? The one I used to play with as "SaNtA" and "Borus"?

I think m79 is Noob waepon

m79 is not a noob weapon. sure there are easy shots to make in close range, but when faced with greater distances, it requires a experience in aiming and anticipation since the shot is so slow and relatively easy to dodge. if you miss, you must also be adept at dodging the enemy fire and give yourself opportunities to get a clean shot off. patience is essential. forcing shots are easy to dodge. waiting for the enemy to leave themselves in an open position where you can predict their movement is a must

quote:[i]
P.S: HI MISTER ANGRY! Are you The Ex-<3* Mister Angry? The one I used to play with as "SaNtA" and "Borus"?


Yes, yes I am. I knew that name seemed familiar. *sigh* I miss that clan tag...The irony of it was awesome...

(On topic) Pfft, I still say m79's easy (At least NOW, and what the hell? This gun used to be cool)... People say all this crap with mastering curves and crap when its unbelievably easy to run up into a guys face at full speed, blast 'em, and run off...(Don't tell me to walk slowly and not rush in, doesnt help.)since that 3 movement accuracy it has does absolutely no effect on it. Blah, And the fact that you're almost able to explode an m79 in your face and get away, without a scratch. Can't bink 'em either, may have 45 bink, but that does [CENSORED].

90% Of M79 kills is short range. But I know people are going to say things like "ehhh well get away from them and stfu" Blah blah... They always come in pack, and they always friggin charge you... Then ya' try to keep your distance but somehow they're always mid range from you, what's up with that?

Ehhh...Well maybe I'm being harsh but...I guess this never used to annoy me because only a few people used it. I used to somewhat respect them, for somereason the '79 seemed more difficult to use back then...Now I think all '79 users suck -_-

Oh well, I AM just repeating myself again with different wording arent I? Meh, bordom kicks in...

Man, renember like, 6 months ago? I was the only M79'er in INF Discounting 4 players., Maybe I started it with my asskickingness... But not really...

I see I came here too late, so I'll just say, most of you are so wrong. Too much to quote.

well, to really see if a weapon is a "noob weapon" we need not look farther than the noobs themselves.

n00b1 "zomg look at that 1337 m79er!"
n00b2 "ya he is 133t"
noob1 "i can do that!"
n00b2 "so can I"

notice that now we have a total of 3 m79ers

m79h8r "lol look @ those n00bs"
133tm79 "lol look at that [CENSORED]"

here comes trouble...

n00b1 and n00b2 both shoot at the same target, which, makes it near impossible for that person to dodge (in MOST cases)

m79h8r "wtf n00b m79s everywhere!"
n00b1 "lol your bl00d everywhere!"
n00b2 "ohhhhhhhhhh you gonna take that?"
m79h8r "stfu"
n00b2 "ok *backs off*"
m79h8r dies
133tm79 "lol pwnt"

m79h8r has left the game

so you see, n00bs are attracked to the m79 and the sheer number of m79ers gets so overwhelming that you can do nothing but get double/triple teamed and than have Major go "PWNT!!!"

it is not the m79, its the ppl and how many ppl use the m79

m79 is pretty goddamn easy to use. I find myself getting 4-7 kills a spawn with it.

I'm not going to bother explaining or going into details why its such an overused noob-magnet, because its all been said already. I can't change anything.

I'm the only M79'er who's a lover too.
Aww... *hugs* O_o

Nothing is wrong with the m79'ers, its their choice if they wanna use it, same goes for me who use the ak.....

Just stay out of their reach and nail em while they reload, theyre more open than a can o' tuna in a alley full o' cats when they do that!!

quote:Originally posted by AMD_AthleteIts the best, the most _skill_requiering_ of all.


I beg to differ. To me it's the easiest gun to use for one simple reason: Its aiming is consistent. The fact that it's heavily arched doesn't mean it's harder to use. And don't give me that bink arguement. Bink barely even works. Autobink does seem to function.

The m79 is not a noob weapon cause i dont really use it :O!
People complain about weapons that always kill them. Look at the barret it was friggin popular but once everyone started complaining about em and what not ppl started using m79 and again ppl cried about how the "big bad grenade launcher killed them". If you can't kill someone useing m79s then don't complain and work on your dodgeing skills :O!! Same with campers!! Don't hate them just cause their not dumb enough to jump into enemy fire!!
Anyway thats how i see it.
-the friggin noob
FIN

1 or 2 m79s a game is ok, but when you go up aginst like 2356435687324512342 of them at once, it tends to get really annoying, espically when you are the only non m79 user in a room, and it kinda ruins the game for me when all i get killed by is m79s, and shots coming from every direction, and before you say, QUIT TEH YER WHININ!!11 GO TO A DIFFERENT ROOM!!!11 its not that easy, as ALL of the rooms in pubs are like that, or before you say, GO TO PRIVATES!!11 well most of those are full, and GET A CLAN!!1 well, i like to play soldat for more than 2 or 3 rounds, there are only a few servers that i enjoy playing on, and they are full most of the time, (Leos servers, as m79 is not a problem, and even tho barret is unnerfed it still isnt a problem) and SN public with no M79 but thats usually full, so then i got to pubs filled with m79s, and i get pissed off, then everyone calls me a noob and bla bla bla, (i acutually had someone tell me to use a real gun, i was switching between ruger and styr, and they were using m79 calling me a noob...) the fact that all the rooms filled with m79s, makes it seem totally noobish, and from my perspective, m79 is not difficult at all, i masterd it in like 2 days, getting 2/1 k/d raito with it, the only hard thing is long distance shots and even then its not very difficult, and the fact that every noob can pick the gun up and "pwn" with it, is proof that the gun is noobish, although fun, i rarely use it, because that just makes people pissed off, and pick it up, then it starts a huge chain reaction of m79 wars, and makes the game really really really really really really really lame..

Ok, I'll re-state my opinion, I was basing it on 1.3, Where the M79 was cool. I like the Spas and Deagles now, and m79 stinks of poop. ^_^

I agree with you and I know how you feel about m79 lately. But I have to tell you that no weapon is for n00bs. Mastering a weapon can be pretty difficult and every weapon has it's own advantages depending on the map. For example, it's better to shoot someone far away with a ruger or a barret, it's better to shoot someone really close to you with a spas or desert eagles. See? In some maps you'll have advantage over m79ers (small maps for example)

If by newb weapon you mean a weapon that any newb can learn easily, then yes, it is a newb weapon, along with every other weapon in the game. Come on, it's soldat. You point and click. After a few weeks your "aiming" is simply a measure of how well your reflexes and muscle memory have formed. All weapons are newb weapons. "Skill" is just a measurement of how fast your muscle adjusts to remembering the exact angle for each shot. Real "betterness" lies in creativity and strategic decisions.

That's right Swarmer. So if it is just as easy to hit someone with the m79 as it is with an ak... how is that balanced?

quote:Originally posted by SwarmerReal "betterness" lies in creativity and strategic decisions.


omg I love you.

Swarmer's right, in reality it doesn't matter what weapon you use. Be it m79, Barret, whatever, people will always whine when you kill them consitently, but honestly it's all about the movement and strategy. If you keep getting hit point-blank by some "m79 noob" then it's your own damn fault for not watching where you're going. And if you're getting hit from long range you should be able to recognize that person's ability with the weapon rather than blaming your incompetence on some imaginary fault of theirs.

none of the guns are for n00bs. they ARE the arsenal, and meant to be [CENSORED]ing used. so the only noobish thing here is the morons that complain about them.

(excuse my spelling errors here, I'm in a hurry...I know how to spell, Ok? :D)

I think most of us are missing the true point... (perhaps, me to? :\)

The main problem with an m79 is that its waaay to OVERUSED. However, Overused weapons leads to the question of balance...

Can it be overpowered? One thing I know for sure this gun is absolutely annoying. Before all the annoyances was venial, since it was occcasionaly used. But NOW the gun's everywhere, can't even switch server because everyone uses the '79 there too, which means those "little" annoyances are intensified

What are the annoyances? Well I'll tell ya...

The ability to boost
- It's a real pain now to end up losing games because the enemy will snatch the flag and boost off. By the time you catch up, the guy will be ready to capture and you will most likely be unable to save it...
- They can boost you too...Which is mostly a freakin' pain (Unless you have the flag and the enemy boosts you towards your base by accident :\). First You'll spot an enemy m79'er charging towards you at full speed. Then you'll try to backflip to avoid being blasted. You sucessfully dodged the blast which can kill you...but the splash damage will boost you off in a random direction. That's very fusterating! By the time ya go back to finish him off (or he comes to you) the guy's got a full clip and ready to kill... (I hardly find any 79'er who'll miss the same person twice...). The same goes for teammates, the only "good" side to it is that the splash damage wont hurt you...pfft. A good example is playing on the INF map, Outpost. A teammate will sometimes fire at you (by accident? Better be..) at the very tip of the "ramp" leading out of the spawn. Causing you to boost towards the ceiling and die from the deadly poly. Or if they miss the enemy and hitcha you can get buried into a poly on the ground... (ugh, so many times I die by enemy fire trying to get out). Whats even worse is realistic mode! Get shot once by enemy fire on the ground or air, you get "boosted" into the floor which counts as fall damage and die... I find these freakin' 79's worse than grenades, probably because they have less speed and range :

Hit and Run!
- This is another pain... ALOT of 79'ers mainly CHARGE, never really move with caution. Why? Because movment accuracy is really unaffective, as well as bink. They can run at full speed, spot an enemy, click, and contiue running off without a problem. Even when you move slowly and check your surroundings, ya can easily get blasted by a charging 79'er Unless you use the weapon yourself or have a barret, to check out the terrain... (Which leads me to...)

Limits the choices of non m79'ers
-Really, the best weapons to combat the m79 is really the ruger and barret, And maybe the spas and mp5, MAYBE! I say maybe because getting close enough to m79'ers for the full effect is difficult, Since they can easily blast you close range (seeing how they never miss close and sometimes mid range). I find this stupid... I mean, I still use all the guns that soldat offers me (except m79 now, because it gets me bored), But automatics feel less effective, especially since bink really doesn't help and it takes too much bullets to take a guy out. Even if they miss the first shot...3 seconds roll pretty quick. They have enough time to fire another shot with auto users. I've seen "pros" and well...myself using an auto on a 79'er, the the dood can usually get another shot out when he's bleeding. Its just dumb that we have to limit our weapon choices because everyone else can only use one :\ (Maybe we ARENT limiting ourselves but still, i can't tell you how many people suggests this...)

Just to reiterate...These problems I've noticed a while back..but wasn't a GIGANTIC pain because the m79 wasnt used SO MUCH!
Oh yeah, and thats another thing. What the hell is up with that? People ONLY using that ONE weapon and NOTHING else. Sheesh, thats why we have to fight in a 12 man server with 9 m79's -_-.

So...overpowered? I dunno... All I'm just saying is that this weapon can do a little too much.

OMG I WROTE SO MUCH! O_o

I agree with you ^^ it is way overused, why? because every other weapon has tweaked to be weaker, the M79 has gone tweaks but it still kills no problem. Personally i couldnt care what weapon someone im shooting at uses, they all need a certain amount of skill to use, particularly the knife/deagles ( they are the hardest ). I use all of the weapons that soldat offers because they are there to be used, its no good just letting them rot there. But yeah i think they should be tweaked somehow. i have an idea for tweaking it if anyones interested :

Instead of instantly killing you on contact, it would attach to you and then explode after a short while. I know it sounds completely stupid but think about it. You have a socom, he has a M79, you've pumped him with a few shots and hes bleeding, then suddenly you hear that unique sound of the grenade leaving the M79s barrel, game over right? wrong. hes standing there all smug while his grenade sails toward you it hits you and attaches itself to you. You pick up an AK from the floor his face goes from ^^ to <=0 and your face goes from <=s to >=D ofcourse you'd die but so would he after you've sprayed him a lil more. :)

play realistic. the regular dose is supposed to be all arcade-like, thats why there are powerups and all that.

M79 criticizing topics should be immediately locked. The real reason players call them awkward is because they get blown up by them and don't know how to dodge 40 mm grenades.

Hence, m79 = boosta'

quote:Originally posted by DeLargeM79 criticizing topics should be immediately locked. The real reason players call them awkward is because they get blown up by them and don't know how to dodge 40 mm grenades.


[sarcasm]I guess you read my post before[/sarcasm]

lol, its overused/ abused

MOST of us have already realized that. any solutions?
i would think that it would have to be something alot more original than STARTUPTIMENOW!!!

would it be possible to have explosions not affect the phisics in soldat, that would stop quite abit of trouble, no boost and possibly more self damage?

Your sarcasm doesn't work, Mister Angry.

Slow the shot down, to a little lower than 1.3's speed... longer reload too.

why do people even care about what/who is noob anyways? humans are so sad.

quote:Borus wroteSlow the shot down, to a little lower than 1.3's speed... longer reload too.
Slow down the shot will most likely be in the next version, as the grenade got faster in the last version for some reasons (some people who beta tested it told me that was due to a bug).
It should be a tad slower than in 1.2.x though.
Let Michal M. decide on what to do, he surely knows there is something wrong with it now.

Longer reload is not necessary in my opinion but I wouldn't mind a few miliseconds added.

we should help mm, we are the people, and MM wants (probably) most people to be satisfied with his game

Those who don't shall be tortured, and that's Mister Angry.

Longer reload!

quote:Originally posted by _Mancer_Longer reload!


Heh people dont seem to realize that the solution to m79 is this simple. 205 Reload will balance out the m79 with other weapons without overly destroying it in clanwars. The reason is that accuracy is rewarded more with a longer reload. If you can still get a hit before the enemy shoots, you win, but if you miss your basically dead meat with a longer reload. (Obviously talking in terms of 1v1).

m79 is lame.I suck with it but no one else does. GO SPAS :F

M79 never misses a close shot. Pretty overpowered.

Overuse eh? Let me tell you about serious ignorant overabuse. I was in a server the other day, I swear my WHOLE team was using barrets, even myself, but that was only due to the fact the opposite team, was ALL using m79s. My KD was around 5 ~ they were noobs, but honestly, its all osk. Its rather sad how people choose m79, and still manage to kill people. ESPECIALLY those annoying newbies who have been playing for 1 day and kill you with the special m79 help.

But anyways, I think the real way to nerf it forever is 3 simple things:

- Serious pushback on the thing. Fire a shot and you'll be launched in the opposite direction a just harder then a spas would - it can be discussed whether this would affect how the shot fires, which would in turn remove the need for the delay.

- Delay. Its too easy to use evidently ~ If you want the power, you're going to have to earn it and learn it.

- Just a bit more damage to yourself with your own m79 shells when shooting upclose and boosting. I can manage to boost undamaged, alot. >>

It has to be the new users with M79 criticizing.

I find nothing wrong with M79. Bear in mind I don't play on pubs.

The thing is abused to no end. Noobs of all kinds use it. Too many times I see a good player wielding deagles or whatever get blasted right in the face before he can even shoot.

I have a couple of suggestions.

Delay - nothing pisses people off, and makes them leave a weapon more than delay. Shorter than the Barret, but still enough to frighten those noobs.

FASTER bullets - That's right, FASTER. Too many times I see a person with an m79 aim for one person, miss, and have the shell land on another's head. Let a miss be a miss, missed shells, with the speed improvement, would fly into walls instead of heading back toward the ground.

Less damage - Not by much, but enough to make its splash not kill, also, enough to make vest wearers survive a direct hit.

Self damage boost - Just by a little, to basically do damage 100% of the time. I can still boost and take no damage whenever I want.

Faster bullets no way, however slower bullets (just a bit) would be enough, that with a little bit of delay perhaps.

Another option would be to limit m79er's sight view slightly lower than with other weapons. Like this they wouldn't be able to aim as far as they shoot and the weapon would be balanced again. By lower vision I mean they can't move their cursor farther than half their screen for instance.
Think about it, this might be a good solution too.

glulm what does your signiture say? and nice avatar

As we said in another topic, a range delay would help. (The shell doesnt explode until a certain range)

or how about the mouse/aimer doesn't extend to the end of the screen? That limit's their actual view of their surroundings, making the weapon far more short range focused, which it should be.

That plus a decrease in range, back to 1.2-era.

Damn.. you guys wanna nerf the M79 now?
You whined so much that now the barret is [CENSORED] & the knife is even more [CENSORED]z0rz.

Why don't we nerf the MP5 instead?
It is completely overpowered... it's fast (fast bullets + fast reload) and powerfull.

quote:Originally posted by DeMoDamn.. you guys wanna nerf the M79 now?
You whined so much that now the barret is [CENSORED] & the knife is even more [CENSORED]z0rz.

Why don't we nerf the MP5 instead?
It is completely overpowered... it's fast (fast bullets + fast reload) and powerfull.


The mp5 has been nerfed enough, its the least used auto now to my knowledge. The m79 has been asking for it for quite a while, and it really is overpowered.

Don't include me in your list of barret haters. I always found the M79 worse.

Hell, in the hands of a good barreter now, I hate this barret more...


I think what will solve everything, is changing the default weapon settings back to 1.2.(/1).

omg nabs shut up please.

m79 does need a nerf, and the soldat community wont stop until popular demands are met!

anyhow, m79 should just a 4 seconds more of reload. There.

quote:Originally posted by DeMoDamn.. you guys wanna nerf the M79 now?
You whined so much that now the barret is [CENSORED] & the knife is even more [CENSORED]z0rz.

Why don't we nerf the MP5 instead?
It is completely overpowered... it's fast (fast bullets + fast reload) and powerfull.


Remember this diagram I made? Still got it... ^_^

[IMAGE]

I like that very much. I'd like to see you make one for the Barret, it would stretch across a few dozen pages.

Why nerf M79? Nerf the whiners.

ARGH DIE THREAD DIE!!!

quote:Originally posted by Chakra`ARGH DIE THREAD DIE!!!


It will never die. ~_^

quote:Originally posted by DeMoDamn.. you guys wanna nerf the M79 now?
You whined so much that now the barret is [CENSORED] & the knife is even more [CENSORED]z0rz.

Why don't we nerf the MP5 instead?
It is completely overpowered... it's fast (fast bullets + fast reload) and powerfull.

It will never die, because people will make stupid comments like this, the m79 is obvioulsy a noob weapon, when noob can pick it up and steadly kill people that have been playing for years, within seconds, and group up and totally ruin a game,
you dont want it nerfed probally cause its all you can use, and calling the knife [CENSORED]? have you ever TRIED it for more than 2 seconds? the new knife is totally awesome, still a 1 hit kill if you hold it all the way down, just takes a bit more SKILL ( apparently that means its nerfed and totally garbage in soldat). and nerf the Mp5 more? are you stupid? it already does HALF the damage it used to, and you have to make almsot EVERY shot hit, to kill someone before they kill you, and no im not whining about the mp5, i infact love it, i [CENSORED]ed when they first nerfed it, and gave it up, went to AK, then to Steyr, but back to mp5, as it is still a great gun, and still kills the fu*k out of people. its fast RoF and fast reload time is off set by the fact that you need 15 or so body shots to kill someone, about 23 for it to kill someone from below them and about 9 or 10 head shots to kill someone, thats almost an entire clip, has only a short effective range. your probally just upset cause you got owned by people that are good with the gun like i am, that dont spray from long distance, but instead run up to you and empty thier clip in your face like it was ment to be used. and yes i admit, i have gotten owned by the m79 plenty of times, as has everyone who plays this game, not only by noobs, but with someone who is genuinly good with the gun, i dont mind getting owned with someone who has been using the gun for a long time, but then again, people like that are usually good with other guns as well, so its not as bad, they are just good, but when you get people like you that are desperatly clinging on to their precious one shot gun because its the only thing you can use to kill, it makes me want to have it nerfed even more just so i can laugh at you for not taking the time or effort to broaden your horizions and use other guns just in case your gun gets nerfed, just because you have to use more than 1 shot to kill someone.
a nerf to this gun will probally make alot of people leave because they are noobs, and have no skill, and would probally leave soon anyways as they would get bored using only one gun, but i say [CENSORED] it, go with the majority of people that are gonna be sticking around with this game.

quote:the m79 is obvioulsy a noob weapon, when noob can pick it up and steadly kill people that have been playing for years
Obviously you are a n00b. I can kill M79ers with my DEs though it's not the best anti-M79 weapon. If you can't kill M79 n00bs with Ruger (?!) you are simply more n00bish than the M79ers. I would be ashemed to admit that I can be pwned by some newbs with M79 hehe.

quote:Originally posted by Antifate... Less damage - Not by much, but enough to make its splash not kill, also, enough to make vest wearers survive a direct hit....

I can tell you from personal WM mod & test experience that it'd be very hard to reach that state of less-powerful-than-one-hit-kill paradigm. I am not fully sure how explosives work but they seem to have an extra, unmoddable Damage formula outside of regular bullets and other non-explosive projectiles. Speed is basically the factor as to why it is unfeasible, and it would also fall to hackers and lag.

quote:Originally posted by Extacidequote:Originally posted by Chakra`ARGH DIE THREAD DIE!!!
It will never die. ~_^

quote:Originally posted by Aquariusquote:the m79 is obvioulsy a noob weapon, when noob can pick it up and steadly kill people that have been playing for years
Obviously you are a n00b. I can kill M79ers with my DEs though it's not the best anti-M79 weapon. If you can't kill M79 n00bs with Ruger (?!) you are simply more n00bish than the M79ers.

haha, you think that i cant kill a lone m79er? hahahhaah its soo easy to kill one, but, the point is, regardless who you are, you have been killed countless times by them, and if you say no, your a [CENSORED]ing liar, and its nearly impossible to kill 5 or 6 of them at the same time which happens on a regular bassis, 2 is even do able if you have good enuf aim, but all that one m79er has to do, is catch 1 lucky shot to kill you, which they do all the time. the point is, how often do you see noobs, killing steadly with any gun aside from the m79 now that the barret is nerfed, almost never.

Oh my, so you can't kill 6 M79ers and you whine about that? Can you kill 5 or 6 Rugers or 5 or 6 sprayers? I doubt it. And please don't call me liar.

Most of you are hypocrites as far as I'm concerned. The first to say "Oh, they're so easy to kill! I can own any m79 noob! It's a noob gun!", and still you demand the gun be changed, nerfed...what's the problem if you can kill these "noobs"? Then there are those who say it's noob, bit insist it requires skill, which just makes me chuckle.

Oh, wait, you're mad because people killed you with a gun. Yea, sorry, that sort of thing doesn't happen in Soldat. You're right.

Dry your tears and suck it up. No one has come up with a solution to this problem, imo, that doesn't either screw up the gun or stem from their own bitter little biased issues with the m79. So intent on nerfing the gun to see that you're safe from it that you don't think of how the gun will play and balance will remain after. Pfft..

quote:Originally posted by AquariusWhy nerf M79? Nerf the whiners.

Let's make things straight. M79 should be nerfed, NOT because it's overpowered. It should be nerfed because it is the coolest primary in the game - that's why it's overused though it's well balanced. That's why it should be weaker than any other weapon. So I can use it again. And of course whiners should be nerfed in 1.3.2 as well.

ya know what? [CENSORED] it, dont nerf the m79, in fact make it stronger so itll kill everyone even better, i dont care, ill just continue to play on leos where there are no m79s. oh and aquarius, i am calling you a liar. liar.

play on leos and don't cry

hahah, shut up liar. i dont care what you ahve to say any more :)

People like Gortaak are the ones I have a problem with. They make sweeping statements like "m79 is noob" without thinking even a bit logically and considering why they are making a statement like this.

I think Aquarius makes a good point. Can you beat 6 rugers? or 6 Ak's? or 6 Minimes at one time? I think you would be just as frustrated as you are with the m79's. The reason m79 is overused is because people think its easy. New players generally go towards 1-hit kills because they seem easier(THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOREVER), not because they really are. Many of you people, unfortunately exaggarate the problem. And your opinions are on the biased side. My logs show this, and consider the fact that I dont ever play in pubs anymore...

Nades have around 11000 Kills
Ruger has around 7000 kills
AK has around 6800 Kills
m79 has around 6400 Kills
Deagles have around 6200 Kills

This is excluding my own personal kills, im trying to give a view of what weapons other people are using. Overused in clanwars? Hardly...

In previous versions, the most used weapons have ALWAYS BEEN m79, Barret, Ruger and Deagles... The same weapons which kill opponents the fastest. This version Barret has dropped because the newbs think its actually "hard" now... Its really not.

Ill be one to say that I personally think Nades are too powerful, just consider it this way. Im using a Ak, I weaken my enemy to around 10% health and he has used up his entire clip, it will take him 2 seconds to reload.. I still have 10 shots in my clip. He throws a nade and I die right when im about to kill him. This happens extremely often in clanwars to both me and others I have asked. Are any weapons overpowered? No. Do some weapons need a little tweak? Yes. Are nades overpowered? Personally, I think Yes.

The post above sums it all up.
CLOSE TEH THREAD NOW PLEEZ.

I do agree that M79 is a pain in the neck bcause for all those barreters (like me) u try to take a snipe shot ang before you pull the trigger, ur brains are bouncing off the walls. I use it here and there and it kicks ass! All this crap that people get on the servers (like getting called a noob and then getting kicked!) is not right! Nobody seems to like M79ers or Snipers. MM or whoever makes the server program should cut down on this stuff.
As Far as i'm concerned, a gun is a gun. Use it and kill, Hunt or be Hunted!

It's annoying when people say that any weapon is noob. Most of the time when people say this it's because they're getting owned with it. There are more complicated tactics to using the m79 other then point, shoot, kill, just like any other weapon. You shouldn't feel pressured to use m79 when the rest of the server is. You have an advantage when you're shooting at someone with an m79 from the other side of the screen.

I have always thought nades were over-powered. I as well as others agree that the max grenades in both clan wars and public servers should be lowered.

Evening chaps. I am now locking this thread. This thread doesn't break any rules, but it DOES MY [CENSORED]ING HEAD IN.

Incidently, feel free to make a fresh topic on the subject, but if you must discuss it, discuss it in a fluid and friendly kind of way that may perhaps actually achieve a final and conclusive destination.

(quote from 'Chuck Norris's self-help book "Hit First, Ask Questions Later")