WARNING ! VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY LONG post :)
most of this topic wasn't written by me, its just an article I read, now read the story about how I got to it.
I really couldn't find a better topic than that "Wierd very wierd".
Its just that, I'm a bit shocked...
And the combination of all the things I'm about to say, is just so wierd, its bound to shock some of you.
First of all, before I even write one word, this isn't a topic about the jewish religion, this isn't a topic about the Israeli-pala situation, so remember then before you decide to ignore the rest of this topic and just start the usual attention whoring.
I was well, bored, needed to take my mind off the studies, so I went on a porn hunt :)
So click some link in some website, and all of a sudden I hear Bruce Springsteen's "Human touch" (its a song...)
And I'm thinking, what the hell!?! I have no winamp on.. so I figured it must come from one of the pages to opened up..
I then closed all the "adds" and was left with the webpage of the actual flick I was clicking on before.
so I'm thinking, why is bruce springsteen being played on a porn webpage?!?!?!
so I went down and down, and got to this long scroll and below it that windows media bar with bruce singing :)
So I start reading the scroll, and I've shocked!
Before I explain why here are some facts you should know:
1- last week I read an article about how there's a new party in holland made of pedophiles who is working to lower the sex age from 16 to 12, claiming they're fighting for the rights of children..
2- just this week I wrote a thread about democracy and how its defective in allowing those who oppose it to use it inorder to gain power, and a long discussion went on about it.
3- I WAS in amsterdam last year and was kinda of puzzeled about the mentality of the dutch ppl and how they view things (I even met some dutch soldat players)
4- I saw the movie about kinsey and I read some about him and his work.
5- more then once I read about christian priests or are they catholic ? not sure, anyhow some cases in america where priests have abused children (sexualy)
6- I'm jewish (if you'll read the article you'll understand why I mentioned it)
Now, having said that, I started reading the scroll.
I'm not sure if I'm breaking any rules here, but if I am please just delete this link I'm posting (I will also copy/paste the actual article incase the link will be deleted)
Here is the link, its a regular porn webpage but scroll down untill you reach the long long article below, I suggest you read it!
I read it and it made a mess due to all the facts I mentioned before.
Its just, so wierd how all of those things I've been pondering about were blended into 1 long article in the name of the the christian religion.
Here's the link:
*snip*
(Edit: Link isn't working for some reason, if its the case later on, then just read the article)
Link removed by brick because 1) it would have been porn 2) to protect users from adware and spyware that still pops up even though it is a broken link
The Article
Quote:Writing in that fateful year, 1939, T.S. Eliot, intellectual and Christian, admonished his contemporaries who had placed their faith in the triumph of democracy. Democracy is not enough, Eliot wrote.
''As political philosophy derives its sanction from ethics, and ethics from the truth of religion, it is only by returning to the eternal source of truth that we can hope for any social organization which will not, to its ultimate destruction, ignore some essential aspect of reality.
''The term 'democracy,' as I have said again and again, does not contain enough positive content to stand alone against the forces you dislike ? it can easily be transformed by them. If you will not have God (and He is a jealous God), you should pay your respects to Hitler and Stalin.''
When Eliot wrote, the world had before it a textbook example of how democracy can be exploited by its enemies: the Third Reich.
After his failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923, Hitler decided to take the longer road to power, the democracy road.
Named chancellor of Germany as leader of the largest minority party in the Reichstag in 1933, Hitler used plebiscites to enable the German people to participate in his rule and ratify his policies. After the reoccupation of the Rhineland and the Anschluss with Austria, national referenda were held. Up to 99 percent of all Germans endorsed his actions. By Munich, he was the most popular political leader in Europe.
This, then, is the point. Democracy is but a process by which people participate in choosing and confirming their rulers. But if the peoples of Europe have lost their belief in the truths of Christianity ? the faith that made Europe ? and the morality and ethics derived from those truths, they can wind up with a hell on earth.
Which brings us to Holland, a nation that can rightfully claim to be in the avant-garde of post-Christian Europe.
In Amsterdam, in the Red Light District, there are brothels, sex shops and sex museums. Women advertise their charms in storefronts. Window prostitution has been legalized, as has possession of marijuana and hashish, which are sold over the counter in coffee shops. Drugs are done openly. Pornography is pervasive.
Amsterdam has a ''liberal and tolerant attitude,'' runs a web ad. ''Instead of criminalizing everything, this upfront city wears its heart on its sleeve.'' Not to be outdone, Utrecht has a canal-based red light district. Rotterdam has sex clubs and private houses for the legalized enjoyment of the pleasures of the flesh.
Holland also leads Europe in the ''liberal and tolerant'' stance it has taken toward suicide. In April 2002, a Dutch law took effect permitting physicians to assist in euthanasia and suicides so long as the procedure is carried out in a medically appropriate fashion.
Anyone 16 or over has a right to suicide. If you are between 12 and 16, you have to get your guardian's approval to kill yourself. In World War II, the Dutch doctors who resisted the Nazi euthanasia program were heroes. Apparently, those doctors were just behind the times.
The latest news from Holland is that a new party is about to be formed, the Charity, Freedom and Diversity Party. Principal platform plank: reduction of the legal age for sex from 16 to 12 years old.
''We are going to shake The Hague awake!'' say the pedophiles of Holland, for whom dropping the age for sex to 12 is but the beginning. They wish to eradicate all prohibitions on sex with children and with animals.
This, of course, would cheer the late Dr. Alfred Kinsey, the American sexologist whose ''researchers'' either abused scores of children and infants, or who used the testimony of child-molesters to make the case that adult-child sex can be beneficial to both.
Which brings us back to Eliot's point. If one rejects Christianity, and the morality and ethics that proceed from it, on what ground does one stand to outlaw drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, assisted suicide and sex with children or dogs?
Holland today, and America ? with its toll of aborted babies now nearing the 50 million mark since Roe v. Wade ? raise profound questions for conservatives and traditionalists.
What if the free society chooses to become a decadent and depraved society? Do we still owe it allegiance and loyalty? Does a community have the right to impose its values, if those values are rooted in religion, on a minority that disbelieves in those values? We certainly did that during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
At what point does a regime, even if democratically elected, become illegitimate, as surely Hitler's was by the time Eliot wrote?
''What makes you think the West is worth saving?'' the priest asked Whittaker Chambers when he visited him in that hospital room in the 1950s. Good question then. Better question now.
Perhaps the Muslims, who may well be a majority in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague in 10 years, will moot the issue for us all.
most of this topic wasn't written by me, its just an article I read, now read the story about how I got to it.
I really couldn't find a better topic than that "Wierd very wierd".
Its just that, I'm a bit shocked...
And the combination of all the things I'm about to say, is just so wierd, its bound to shock some of you.
First of all, before I even write one word, this isn't a topic about the jewish religion, this isn't a topic about the Israeli-pala situation, so remember then before you decide to ignore the rest of this topic and just start the usual attention whoring.
I was well, bored, needed to take my mind off the studies, so I went on a porn hunt :)
So click some link in some website, and all of a sudden I hear Bruce Springsteen's "Human touch" (its a song...)
And I'm thinking, what the hell!?! I have no winamp on.. so I figured it must come from one of the pages to opened up..
I then closed all the "adds" and was left with the webpage of the actual flick I was clicking on before.
so I'm thinking, why is bruce springsteen being played on a porn webpage?!?!?!
so I went down and down, and got to this long scroll and below it that windows media bar with bruce singing :)
So I start reading the scroll, and I've shocked!
Before I explain why here are some facts you should know:
1- last week I read an article about how there's a new party in holland made of pedophiles who is working to lower the sex age from 16 to 12, claiming they're fighting for the rights of children..
2- just this week I wrote a thread about democracy and how its defective in allowing those who oppose it to use it inorder to gain power, and a long discussion went on about it.
3- I WAS in amsterdam last year and was kinda of puzzeled about the mentality of the dutch ppl and how they view things (I even met some dutch soldat players)
4- I saw the movie about kinsey and I read some about him and his work.
5- more then once I read about christian priests or are they catholic ? not sure, anyhow some cases in america where priests have abused children (sexualy)
6- I'm jewish (if you'll read the article you'll understand why I mentioned it)
Now, having said that, I started reading the scroll.
I'm not sure if I'm breaking any rules here, but if I am please just delete this link I'm posting (I will also copy/paste the actual article incase the link will be deleted)
Here is the link, its a regular porn webpage but scroll down untill you reach the long long article below, I suggest you read it!
I read it and it made a mess due to all the facts I mentioned before.
Its just, so wierd how all of those things I've been pondering about were blended into 1 long article in the name of the the christian religion.
Here's the link:
*snip*
(Edit: Link isn't working for some reason, if its the case later on, then just read the article)
Link removed by brick because 1) it would have been porn 2) to protect users from adware and spyware that still pops up even though it is a broken link
The Article
Quote:Writing in that fateful year, 1939, T.S. Eliot, intellectual and Christian, admonished his contemporaries who had placed their faith in the triumph of democracy. Democracy is not enough, Eliot wrote.
''As political philosophy derives its sanction from ethics, and ethics from the truth of religion, it is only by returning to the eternal source of truth that we can hope for any social organization which will not, to its ultimate destruction, ignore some essential aspect of reality.
''The term 'democracy,' as I have said again and again, does not contain enough positive content to stand alone against the forces you dislike ? it can easily be transformed by them. If you will not have God (and He is a jealous God), you should pay your respects to Hitler and Stalin.''
When Eliot wrote, the world had before it a textbook example of how democracy can be exploited by its enemies: the Third Reich.
After his failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923, Hitler decided to take the longer road to power, the democracy road.
Named chancellor of Germany as leader of the largest minority party in the Reichstag in 1933, Hitler used plebiscites to enable the German people to participate in his rule and ratify his policies. After the reoccupation of the Rhineland and the Anschluss with Austria, national referenda were held. Up to 99 percent of all Germans endorsed his actions. By Munich, he was the most popular political leader in Europe.
This, then, is the point. Democracy is but a process by which people participate in choosing and confirming their rulers. But if the peoples of Europe have lost their belief in the truths of Christianity ? the faith that made Europe ? and the morality and ethics derived from those truths, they can wind up with a hell on earth.
Which brings us to Holland, a nation that can rightfully claim to be in the avant-garde of post-Christian Europe.
In Amsterdam, in the Red Light District, there are brothels, sex shops and sex museums. Women advertise their charms in storefronts. Window prostitution has been legalized, as has possession of marijuana and hashish, which are sold over the counter in coffee shops. Drugs are done openly. Pornography is pervasive.
Amsterdam has a ''liberal and tolerant attitude,'' runs a web ad. ''Instead of criminalizing everything, this upfront city wears its heart on its sleeve.'' Not to be outdone, Utrecht has a canal-based red light district. Rotterdam has sex clubs and private houses for the legalized enjoyment of the pleasures of the flesh.
Holland also leads Europe in the ''liberal and tolerant'' stance it has taken toward suicide. In April 2002, a Dutch law took effect permitting physicians to assist in euthanasia and suicides so long as the procedure is carried out in a medically appropriate fashion.
Anyone 16 or over has a right to suicide. If you are between 12 and 16, you have to get your guardian's approval to kill yourself. In World War II, the Dutch doctors who resisted the Nazi euthanasia program were heroes. Apparently, those doctors were just behind the times.
The latest news from Holland is that a new party is about to be formed, the Charity, Freedom and Diversity Party. Principal platform plank: reduction of the legal age for sex from 16 to 12 years old.
''We are going to shake The Hague awake!'' say the pedophiles of Holland, for whom dropping the age for sex to 12 is but the beginning. They wish to eradicate all prohibitions on sex with children and with animals.
This, of course, would cheer the late Dr. Alfred Kinsey, the American sexologist whose ''researchers'' either abused scores of children and infants, or who used the testimony of child-molesters to make the case that adult-child sex can be beneficial to both.
Which brings us back to Eliot's point. If one rejects Christianity, and the morality and ethics that proceed from it, on what ground does one stand to outlaw drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, assisted suicide and sex with children or dogs?
Holland today, and America ? with its toll of aborted babies now nearing the 50 million mark since Roe v. Wade ? raise profound questions for conservatives and traditionalists.
What if the free society chooses to become a decadent and depraved society? Do we still owe it allegiance and loyalty? Does a community have the right to impose its values, if those values are rooted in religion, on a minority that disbelieves in those values? We certainly did that during the civil rights era of the 1960s.
At what point does a regime, even if democratically elected, become illegitimate, as surely Hitler's was by the time Eliot wrote?
''What makes you think the West is worth saving?'' the priest asked Whittaker Chambers when he visited him in that hospital room in the 1950s. Good question then. Better question now.
Perhaps the Muslims, who may well be a majority in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague in 10 years, will moot the issue for us all.