If you haven't noticed (or if you're not willing to accept it) there is a huge increase in people using one-hit weapons. But I'm not posting to gripe about it, that doesn't do anyone any good. Instead, I'm hoping this topic can serve as a haven to exploit flaws and vulnerabilites in one-hit "fighters" that can give real Soldat fighters a chance to dish out the punch that one-hitting stops.

I have a few tactics and ideas that have proved and are proving to be very effective. It's just getting them down 99 percent of the time that's left. Here are several for starters:

- Practice nailing your targets in mid air with grenades. Granted many Soldat experts have this down somewhat, nailing it every time against Barret users closing in on you works wonders, as it knocks a good chunk of health off and throws off their aim, and that's the important part. Not recomended against m79 users, as it's generally really stupid go to into any sort of close-combat with them, anyways.

- The Spas has a nice kick to it that I'm surprised not many people have taken advantage of. If you can get this gun down in arial battle, you'll light up with glee when your fellow barret user gets ready to take his/her shot and the 12 gauge knocks them back, throwing off their aim with each shot and, so far, many times resulting in a missed shot. As a plus, the spas really puts a hurt on the n00b Barret users who rely getting 2 mm from you to take their shot.

- So far, based on my experience, the DEagles (unless your skilled with the ruger) are your best bet against the m79. They take considerable damage and the bullet ark will really work for you in long range combat, perfect for keeping a reasonable distance and snapping the m79 user down.

- For some reason, I've only seen two or three people do this besides myself. This falls more into a general tactic, but if you've got cluster grenades and are in airial battle, throw them at the ceiling. It knocks off your opponents aim and can throw them to the ground, but sometimes, your opponent will still have his/her jets going, making them almost prone in mid air trying to cancel the effect, giving you the perfect target.

Those are just a few of the things I use. Basic, but effective. I'd like to hear any comments or suggestions against unavoidable close combat in places like the upper area in CTF_Kampf against the Barret or M79. Hope that helps some people out against increasing one-hitters. Good hunting, soldier.

Real fighters? So.....people that use 1 shot weapons aren't real fighters?
Well deagles are good vs. just about anythingsince theyre fast and strong.
In 1.05b i owned grenades, now i cant cuz theyre STUPID, they kill in 1 hit when they feel like it and i hate that, and besides they fly weird.....
And ppl use one hitters becuase well, they like it, and no weapon has the advantage over the other, it all depends whos behind the weapon...(not counting minigun here)

I can definintely agree with you there, in terms of Deathmatch. But going against an entire CTF team (excluding one player using an hk) using m79s and Barrets, the effects really show. I've only come across a mere handful of m79 users that could use like a real weapon; not take hits while walking up to you and shooting you.

Eagles do have a huge weakness, the bullet trail is respectively slow and can be overcome by mg fire. I'm not saying m79 or Barret people have no skill, I can name quite a few skilled players like Jsmith who uses a Barret and John Wayne (Pk clan or something like that now) who uses the m79. It's just that there's such a massive increase in the weapons, it's overwhelming.

Though one hilarious thing in all of it was when our best fighter kept getting rocked by a sniper who kept asking "how do I throw grenades".

quote:Originally posted by Captain_Jimbo

I can definintely agree with you there, in terms of Deathmatch. But going against an entire CTF team (excluding one player using an hk) using m79s and Barrets, the effects really show.


Dude ! It all comes Down 2 Who U are and Who Ure opponent is ! I plaeyd on a server with no clanmembers, Not saying ALL there were n00bs, but anyway It was a CTF match and I scored 3 or 4 caps.. AFTER SPAWNING WITH NO GUN ! If U can move Rite U can Dodge most 1 hit 1 kill shots ! ( Not Those from Überskilled ppl )

Time the barret reloade and stop moving a milli sec before Ur enemy has reloaded.. Then he alomst neva hit.. ( If ure playing vs a Über skilled player. U have 2 shot them First, Easy as that. )

If he uses M79 be unpredictable..
BOT uf he use Deagles Or automatic.... U Better kill him, Coz If u dont.. Ure history !

Just a piece of thought. You can't kill an experienced sniper with anything, except over running him with at least 3 people. But i am talking a REAL GOOD sniper.

m79 is a handicapped weapon. Thats why i switched to barrel. I mean its superior to m79 in everything, it especcially shows in duels

the way i kill barret users is with the mgs. wait until thre in line for the shot, jump, jet, fire, keep aim good, SPLAT! fried sniper for dinner! of course, they can always be unpredictable...

...here we go again

topic: "Seriously Nerf the barret " in bash pit is a topic for you.

I agree with Outcast though...it's all about the player

Fer god sakes, its not a "nerf the barret" topic! i knew some1 would say that! were talking about effective strategies for those barret and m79 users... geez.

I always run with my cursor as far away from my soldier as possible with 200% mouse sensitivity, then you're probibly always the first one to spot the enemy incomming but can stil move your cursor from one direction to the other fast enough.

M79 - As soon as you see a dude with a M79 just keep the distance and jump up so high he can't hit you while he is on the ground. If he's stil on the ground when you buzz over him just rain some nades on him, if not just shoot him dead.

Barret - People who use Barrets mostly stay on the ground so they can scope. As soon as you see one of these dudes just take one jump forward and the next jump straight up and jet straight over him fast as greased lightning where you can nade him. If he shoots and missed just go down for the kill, but beware so you dont step on you own nades.

Yup..

if its a m79 user, just jump over there fool a55 and fire upon them with yar boom-sticks, and if they come flyin' ups wit u, they aint gunna kill ya if yo stay above em or just keep on moving
egyptsies

Oh don't get me wrong, I have a dis-taste for one-hit weapons, but instead of griping about it, I'd really like to tap into strategies that that will prove useful against them in hopes of keeping the game balanced in weapons; Yin has the right idea.

The timing of the reload and going prone is a good idea, as is the forward and up jump. I'll have to try them out.

I have no idea why that post came out like I was blank-spamming....weird.

hmm i agree with BMF, if u come upon a really veteran and skilled sniper like say me, u stand no chance :) also with a really good m-79er:)

Barret isn't perfect, m79 can obliterate it, depending on map, and the skills of both the players.

More anti-barret strats:

Use the LAW. It has a nice arc, and if you hit a hill near a barret camper, you can knock them up in the air, and smack 'em with your primary while they're wondering what happened.

Same with grenades, and the m79: LOOK at the terrain. If a barret user is camping in the front of a wide open area, don't charge them, instead, keep your head down, so to speak, and take another way.

Against m79 users, I like to go ruger/double eagles/ak depending on the map. Keep your distance, and do NOT let them start arcing shots at you, or you're screwed. Against these guys, you need good accuracy at long range, and again: GOOD awareness of the terrain.

Against chainsaw users: well, if you die to a chainsaw, now or ever, you suck. :P Chainsaw should NOT have been nerfed -.- Now it's worthless <_<


Watch your opponent and the terrain at all times. Notice what their secondary weapon is.. barret/law users like staying near the ground so they can 1-2 hit you. Barret/knife or barret/socom users fly more, since the knife is easy to aim midair, and the socom is very fast and does good damage.

Mostly, don't be stupid. If you are dying to someone over and over, ask yourself WHY. I don't have the best aim in this game, but I am still a damn good deathmatcher (lag providing, euro people own me on their server, lol) because I am well aware of the terrain, the enemy's weapon, and how to nullify their advantages.

Learn the maps, learn the arcs, and learn grenades. Use your head, and you'll soon be mopping the floor with those barret/m79 users that don't really know how to take full advantage of their surroundings.

The weapons in this game are pretty well balanced. I would like to see the mp5 and the minigun improved somewhat, but I can live with them the way they are now.

~Chaosmongler

good tactic for flying snipers... practice with the LAW! lay in wait at a point you know they always will go past(top of hill on ctf_viet), take out your LAW, crouch, aim, wait.... FIRE! ive killed sooooo many snipers using this tactic its not even funny!

(ok maybe a little)

alright someone finally talked about the spas, i have killed soooooo many snipers with nades and spas i can't count them all, thank you for letting ppl in on that one man

haha you will see a real match if there are to good barret users

Hmm....

Learn how to dance and anticipate. These are some of the greatest skills.

Dance & Anticipate: Dancing is my term for learning how to dodge shots. That, and anticpating are bound together. To be sucessful, especially with barrets, you have to think what they are thinking. If you were in their position, where would you be shooting, what would you be doing. And then take advantage of that knowledge. As well, make yourself a less obvious/easy to hit target. Dont run in straight lines, or fly straight. Move erratically, yet move quickly. Its hard to learn, buts when you get it right its an economy of movement. Effective. Try it out.

As well, use the weapons that keep killing you, or that you have problems with. In this case, the barret. It is usufal to use all weapons in the game extensivly, and then take advantage of that knowledge.