noob.
It seems 1-hit kills are the hot topics in the forums. I mean, who hasn't heard of some whiner in Atari server saying, "stupid m79 noob", then quickly the 79er snaps back?
Sure, you might be rambo and you can use every stinkin gun perfectly well in the game, but are you gonna put down some (probably) 10 year old kid who just wants to have fun...like you do?
I mean, if everyone knows the potential theat the m79 and barret is, why don't those whiners use them instead of whine! [8D] You're gonna get mad at 79ers cause they know NOT to use scattered-shot guns? In other words, are you gonna get mad at us cause we were smart to pick out a 'good' gun?
This brings me to something else. Let's take a poll. Who hasn't chased the enemy flagbearer down before and suddenly you hit a rock or the blast from a grenade slows you down, letting the blue team win the game?![:(!]
If everyone could see the potential the m79 has as a tool to do neat tricks, instead of the traditional blast-them-to-hell gun, then I think everyone would use the m79. Then, someone would find some way of countering the m79. Then, no one would use the m79. Thus, the loophole of the metagame (taken from MTG).

And if you're smart, use a good gun! :) I mean, who would use a minigun as a weapon of mass destruction?! I'd use a minigun for other things...:).

quote:...who hasn't heard of some whiner in Atari server saying, "stupid m79 noob"...

i haven't cause i never join that server.

good point dude, no such things as n00b guns, if theyre getting owned by em, y dont they use em themselves, common sense, ppl. noob guns is just an excuse for the fault of supposedly veteran players in an attempt to cover up their mistakes...

I could own with Barret and M79, but they're really not fun to play with, so i stick to the MP5 and Ruger.

On the contrary, I find blowing people's heads off at long range quite fun, but I guess not everybody does [;)]

isnt it weird that in real life u could be killed in 1 shot by like a glock, but on video games it take like 20 shots from an automatic weapon to kill someone? gotta love it and peopel can survive grenades!

turn realistic on...

I agree partly with that, but using a one-hit weapon to kill a one-hit weapon user is totally counter productive. If people start using them as a means to counter what they're trying to get rid of, the whole game becomes totally unbalanced (in terms of weapons) which is why I don't use them. I used to use Barrets from time to time, but I found myself becoming really dependant on it's one-hit power to destroy other snipers and m79ers, but that's just me.

The m79 is getting it's rep as a n00b weapon because there are a ton of CTF people relying on getting less than an inch away to blast the crap out of you. There's no other gun that will make a kill as easy (besides barret and secondaries, but I think the secondaries are very well balanced). Though I really appreciate a good challenge by someone who can use the m79 with skill, like blasting one away from across the screen and that nice slow-down tactic you mentioned. Pisses me off, but hey, that's skill and tactics.

i find it very rare to find ppl in servers using anythin besides barret and m79. i admit, i used to use barret, but i actually USED it for what it was made for in the first place, sniping. I've never really used it to assault a base, or go out hunting for 1-hit kills. its just not me, i think one hit kills are boring. i think a 1337 steyr user can kill all, like me!

Ppl that don't like teh m79 or barret are jsut jealous that they won't take the time to learn to use them, but i really have never heard of ppl whining aobut the m79 on the forums its mostly newbs saying that the barret is to powerful, most of these newbs use an automatic and only get like 6 shots in cause they suck(not to say all
ppl using automatics are newbs i battled some really good players that use automatics)

m79 in my opinion requires more skill than barret. But it is a handicapped weapon. Trust me, i took the gun to the limit, and then switched to barret. m79 has a VERY limited range, and you can actually dodge the grenade in mid air. I mean its even worse than DEagles if you think about it. Eagles have better range and kill in like what, 3 shots?? That you make while m79 reloads.

I mean there are awesome m79 users out there like R or Dogfather, but pure finesse wont save you from say an experienced sniper

m79 ppl suck i hate them

i started playing soldat on m79 i played it like one month ppl saying "[:-censored]ing m79 n00b" then i changed my gun to barret "BARRET WHORE!!!" someone said but i used that gun all the time but until last month i started to using other guns like eagles no one didnt say anything about that??? week later changed gun to ak47 and no one didnt say anything about that too and this week im going to use m79 lot while playing and yesterday first comment on my gun "m79 is n00b" next week i use some other gun or my fists "fu**king rambo fist fu...." and so on :)

sorry about my language bad day

I personally dont use the barret and the m79 because everyone uses them lol :P
mum told me i was born always wanting to be different to other people and being special ^_^ so i use the mp5 :D

im special :) "grins"

I think m79 is a very fun gun to use. Takes a bit of skill to use (and look good doing it) and I gotta admit when someone wacks me good with a lob shot.

I had an excellent example today. I had a duel with a guy from BH. I (admitadly) suck with the barret, lol. But in a duel if the other guy uses a barret, what are you going to do?

I think the fact that there is THAT sort of imballance around it can screw up the game.

At least with the m79 you can stay out of its range.

And ppl who call you a "(insert gun) noob" are just mad about being killed. *raises hand*
Just like camping.

yep sp has it all right and i agree with him 100%

Hey, 2 m79's is like playing god. Trust me, on high-ceiling maps (DM maps), you can go pretty high with an m79. You guys all know the minigun trick in b2b right? Well, m79 can do the same thing :).

hehe SP was that BH guy me or R , hehe, agree with u there SP,when u come ahainst a experienced sniper u get imo owned :)

Bah nothing takes more skill than enything else, Barret has an easy bullet prediction, its instant and its straight, but it isnt easy to aim up right and down left which are half of your possible angles. M79 lacks in range but compensates in firepower, and splash damage, it also reloads faster than Barret, if your good with M79 you should distract the sniper and make him miss, then he's [:-censored]ed.

The thing is, guys, that no gun takes "more skill" to use than other guns, its the strategy with guns that takes more skill, some things are easy to do with a certain gun while are hard to do with another. For example, alot of dedicated flag cappers use the M79 for speed and fast kills to blast everything out of their way, and to push persuers back with its splash damage. Flagging is harder for the AK to do because it requires you to be dedicated to killing your enemies if you want to be effective with it, and a flag carrier needs to be focusing on capping the flag, not fighting. Now heres where the skill part comes in, some people master their guns so good that they can do things with them that other people cant, the example in this case is capping with the AK, and I've seen very few people capable of doing that.

Barret is good for the 1 on 1 encounter and base defence, its a weapon that gives you a sure shot that goes exactly where you click (not when flying though) and it goes there fast, this is mixed with aiming, because Barret bullets are easy to just point and click, but not easy to actually hit the target on the move. Now the outcome of assaulting with a barret really depends on weather your team also uses Barrets, backs you up, or how your enemies respond. If the whole attack team uses Barrets then its almost a slaughter if they all hit their target, if the enemies get missed your team will have alot of trouble given that the other team knows that they have 4 free seconds to whipe the floor with the sniper team's ass. A battle against a sniper assault has to be a very quick one, you have to finish the sniper as soon as he shoots, because then hes defenceless. Here another arguement comes in: What if the sniper wont miss? well here you have to start thinking, the Barret requires the sniper to be dead-accurate, if he misses by an inch hes screwed, so just make the sniper flinch, throw nades at him, shoot at him and move erraticly, the problem with most players nowadays that they are too easy to predict and hit, dont fly in a straight line, and dont fall in a straight line, try not to hover in mid-air when facing snipers, its suicide, and dont stick to the ground unless your taking cover behind something, and whenever you want to jet, jump-jet, press jump then press jet, it makes you raise faster and its unpredictable. If the sniper is pretty much above you then try to roll alot, rolling messes their aim up so bad, just roll back and forth like a maniak and he will take a shot and most likely miss, dooming the sniper.

Another example, splash damage, weapons that are good for that are M79, Spas, HK MP5, and Minigun, because they spread their bullets all over the place, but mass destruction cant be done really well with 1 barret or ruger...

So my point is that its not how much skill does the gun take to use, its how much skill does it take to do a certain thing with the gun.

I cap with AK all the time. I use every gun, every game.

Except the chainsaw. It's a tool not a weapon. :-)

Nice rant FS :)

I think you should use what ever gun you damn well want!

There is no n00b...

In the old days, we used to call the mini gun the n00b cannon, basically cause the people who used it (not all) didn't know how to aim, etc. and just used it to annoy people / steal kills from other people. But it was mostly called that as a joke :)


And on another note - one shot from the M72LAW should not kill a player with full health and vest - it's unbalanced. m79 - yes, law - no. What are your thoughts guys?

Wouldnt be much of a rocket if it didnt blast through kevlar would it? I think the LAW is fine, the only thing that bothers me with it is that people who spawn with it in base can shoot it right away, I'm sick of killing someone and watching him LAW my ass a the second he spawns, none of the 1 hit kill weapons can shoot right away, and I dont think the LAW should either. I think that a few seconds should be removed from its reload time and placed into bullet time, that way it would have some delayed time but not a longer reload, I would even have the reload time be shorter for the law, about, say 10-13 secs. But the fact that it shoots right away is just annoying.

i've capped many-a-time using my faithful steyr aug!

o yeah, the law is fine!

nothing is makes me feel better than watching a barret-user miss, and then me emptying my whole clip right in his face!

law is ok, but i never get any ppl telling me m79 is mewb in games its just on forums, i heard newbs whine aobut the barret frmo time to time but its mostly in the forums, if we stop whining about unfair guns in the forums alot of this crap will be stopped i think

My opinion (as many others) is that there is no n00b gun ! I mean: I dont Use Automatics Basicly coz I sux at them, I use Barret, M79, Deagles And soccom ! And.. I admit that Luuts of ppl Use Barret and other 1 hit 1 kill weps.. Well: The only persons I see complain are Those of lower skill.. I'm telling U Ak vS barret is Just as efficient as Barret vS barret.. Its all bout skills and Tactics ! IF I were 2 attack som1 who has barret with my barret I would Focus And Quickly go into line of fire shot and kill.. Or miss and dodge / get killed ! If I used a AK I would make the opponent W8, and get really Hyped up ! Then Make a move He would pontetioly shot and miss I would then (If I got the skillz, wich I dont :P) Quick aas hell go ower 2 him and own his ass !

Basicly If U misse with barret Vs a Skilled Non barreter Ure daed ! An AK masta would OWN ur ass Just ass bad as a Barret masta if u wernt skilled enough !

M79 Is a Gun of Sience ! U can take rally tricky shots with it ! Due 2 its Arch ! If U use it rite U can kill A barret user at places he could only dream of killnig U !

i agree with the m79 part =P, anyway yeah if your awsome at one wep its just tricking the other person really thats what all the pros are really good at, its 50% skills 50% trickery

Dark Noddy, i dare you to own me with your AK. Its a weapon that requires user to constantly persuit the enemy, because you have to put several bullets in him. WIth a barret i will just sit there or move around slightly to create an illusion of movement, for you to make your move and open up.

Trust me, i had people try to take me with AK on a duel. They all try to scare me, and try to make me lose aim. Well it works for unexperienced players i guess. But if a barret expert duels a AK expert, i know who's gonna win.

lol. another bragger.

LOL ! I said IF I HAD THE SKILLZ I would Done that ! LOL ! I Suck So bad with Ak that a noob with Soccom Would Own me ! And.. I dont Brag !

I don't get it. I just can agree. M79 and Barret are nice guns. And look at this: If you use a Barret and miss you are dead meat. Same with the M79. I think it's all well balanced!

Alamo

i know you dont Noddy, but the guy above does :P

I agree. Those dead snipers respawn faster than my m79! >:O And then poof! you're dead from some kid in japan who killed you in the air when he was aiming for someone a hill below him! >:O! always have two m79's to blast yourself away from walls! :D

geez i hate ppl who call barret a n00b gun, cause its not. it requires precise aim, and if you miss youre a dead man,a victim of my steyraug [:D] and m79 is one of the most trickiest guns in the game with its arch. and m79er can own me lol.

quote:Originally posted by N1nj@
i know you dont Noddy, but the guy above does :P


Sorry.. I missunderstood..

He has A point tho ;D he would Win If I used An Ak.. But I'm no AK expert, I'm Lower than Ak N00b :D

if you miss iwth barret or m79 your not dead, well not if your good, i have missed with m79 and fired again and killed the other guy plenty of times

if you miss with a barret you always have law, if you miss with m79, you have socom to buy some time to retreat

lol i always use socom with barret

if you have m79 (which i use) and you miss. you throw nades down at the enemies coming towards you, while still advancing, jump into air pull out knife throw it at the sniper camping switch back to m79 to let it reload throw another nade at the guy who just respawned, shoot the guy coming up from the lower area take flag, run into the tunnel and get the hell out of there and cap. that is how it is done ladies and gentleman, all without retreat or death on your part.[;)]

-R

Everyone seems to complain about the use of nades...

I guess coz the n00bs just toss em round by the bucket load, so now all the legit nade users get snapped at whenever they use nades (eg. me) :
I throw them at people's faces - eg. some dude flys past me and I throw a nade at him. it hits. Then I throw another nade at him. It hits. He dies. Promptly followed by "nade spammer!!"

I mean, I threw 2 nades and both hit him in teh face! How can that be spamming!!!



And FS - I agree the LAW should have an initial cooldown time and a small reduction in reload time to compensate.

And I know it makes sense that the LAW kills kevlar, but it seems kinda cheap that the vest doesn't help you all all anymore (considering heaps of people use the LAW)
It used to be 'safe' when you had the vest unless someone had an m79, but then fair enuf coz thats their main gun, but now anyone can just whoop out a LAW and nuke ya ;)

Hey, i was not bragging!!!!
I am just telling you the truth. You cant fight with AK against a barret.
Sometimes AK is more effective in CTF, that may be true, i never said it was not.

So far, in a duel, barret is superior to any weapon. Thats all i am saying.

most of the time the morons who say the m79 is a n00b gun are the ones who camp all day with the barret.

True.. True !

And BMF.. ! If U play With M79 Vs Barret ! And The M79 User Uses "Barret-tactics" (Longdistance out of range kills) U might Loose.. ! Coz The m79 Can Do Trickshots.. Barret CANT ! But a match of that kind would take LOONG time Coz it would be a hangaround and wait for ur opponent 2 [:-censored] up match :D

With Just a Tiny bit of lag A barret User can loose.. (Unless he quickly sees if his opponent is ahead or behind him in real time..)

dude, again, dont call me a bragger. I played ALOT of duels, cuz i love them. Its almost impossible to win with m79 against the barret.

Of course, the barret user may have "a tiny" lag, well then its harder for him to shoot. He may also have a huge headache, so he cant concentrate. Or maybe he has a broken mouse, so he cant aim. Sometimes, your computer breaks down, and then the guy with m79 wins automatically. DO YOU SENSE THE SARCASM BY NOW???!!

anyway, i am talking about a regular duel, with assumed "equal lag". Nahh, m79 cant win, trust me, cuz its an "offensive weapon". It requires you to open up and move all the time. Barret is a "defensive weapon", you just sit there and wait, or move a little.

not really...

no i kill snipers with m79 all the time

noob snipers? :D

Power and skill aside, it's a problem when too many people on the servers are using the same gun. I don't mind the M79 anymore; it used to be overused, but it was nerfed a few versions back, and now it's used by a more reasonable number of people as a result. Sure, there are people who try to run up to you and kill you with it; but because that strategy sucks, it's hardly overused, which is the important thing.

I think the Barret needs the same kind of treatment that the M79 got a few versions back. The servers shouldn't be dominated by one gun; even if a gun isn't underpowered and is still overused, it should still be nerfed. Better to have one wimpy gun and increased variety, then a boring game.

I do suspect that the main reason the M79 was so overused had more to do with the fun explosions it caused then power or anything like that... I don't think it makes a difference, though. It wasn't good to have everyone using M79s, so it needed to be changed somehow.

quote:Originally posted by Aquillion
The servers shouldn't be dominated by one gun

[IMAGE] Well if you haven't noticed the servers haven't been dominated by one gun. The servers or at least ctf servers have been dominated by three with the possibility of ruger coming back. As far as I've seen majority of people playing in ctf servers have used mainly barret, m79, and deagles. In team matches and death matches m79, deagles, and rugers dominate.

in CTF I been seeing alot of snipers, teams full of em.1 team even camped the whole time.And in DM everybody uses DE's and rugers.Now those two weapons should be nerfed.

Bah, one of my first topics and it's 3 pages long. :D

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Nothing should EVER be nerfed. The only reason the barret is such a problem is because of anti-lag. In 1.1.5 the barret requires less skill in aiming and more reflexes. Thanks to anti-lag, people are able to shoot anywhere around the enemy and usually they'll score a direct hit. As long as this problem is around, barrets will own. I'd rather see anti-lag completely disposed of than stay in Soldat at its current state. But thankfully Michal is improving the net-code so I don't believe this'll be much of a problem anymore.

not "nerfed", but maybe "balanced"??!

quote:Originally posted by BMF
Hey, i was not bragging!!!!
I am just telling you the truth. You cant fight with AK against a barret.
Sometimes AK is more effective in CTF, that may be true, i never said it was not.

So far, in a duel, barret is superior to any weapon. Thats all i am saying.


Cuz maps are big enuf for you to use the barrrets advantage, can you fight my m79 in RatCave?

quote:Originally posted by Outcast
quote:Originally posted by BMF
Hey, i was not bragging!!!!
I am just telling you the truth. You cant fight with AK against a barret.
Sometimes AK is more effective in CTF, that may be true, i never said it was not.

So far, in a duel, barret is superior to any weapon. Thats all i am saying.


Cuz maps are big enuf for you to use the barrrets advantage, can you fight my m79 in RatCave?

quote:
dude, again, dont call me a bragger. I played ALOT of duels, cuz i love them. Its almost impossible to win with m79 against the barret.

Of course, the barret user may have "a tiny" lag, well then its harder for him to shoot. He may also have a huge headache, so he cant concentrate. Or maybe he has a broken mouse, so he cant aim. Sometimes, your computer breaks down, and then the guy with m79 wins automatically. DO YOU SENSE THE SARCASM BY NOW???!!

anyway, i am talking about a regular duel, with assumed "equal lag". Nahh, m79 cant win, trust me, cuz its an "offensive weapon". It requires you to open up and move all the time. Barret is a "defensive weapon", you just sit there and wait, or move a little.



Beleave me or not, i've probably played more duels then anyone, i can tell you that the barret is mostly winning because of it's range, since most maps are big and spaceous. There used to be a map called arena3, and it was perfectly big, an universal duel arena, where no weapon had an advantage of range, only skill. Now the closest thing to that is - RatCave. You can win with any weapon there, if you move right and have the skill. It's where your almost always in the range of the m79, so the range advantage nullifies. Play vs. people there not in arena(background sounds - CAMP CAMP CAMP CAMP).

Or Bunker, Bunker is the most open map I can think of. I dont call it a duel if I duel a camper, because even if I use a barret against a camper that's already sitting there I will need to open up to shoot, if we both camp nobody kills enybody and thre begins teh wait of who gets bored faster.

The only way is to shake their aim but against a proning camper its VERY hard to do. Try to play duels on RatCave or Arena (not the bottom part)...

Barret duel, is a duel of tactics. You have to move, but you move so that the other person would open up and make a mistake. Or you move suddenly and take the opponent by surprise. For me, its not just 'boredom'.

My favorite type of duel is with M79 tho hehe

ima sniper killier, i am really good at takign them out with my m79 from good distances, im so cocky about it i make up names for certain attacks that ive never seen anyone but me do, theres one where i get really high in the air then come down on the camper like a meteor fireing as soon as i start moving straightly diagonal down at them, its always hit them and be cause i fire early it throws them off they would think i would wait longer but i dont, whats funny is sometimes they kill me, then my nade hits them, and they die, anyone else use a tactic lke this with an M79

i dont call snipers n00bs cause i respect them as im an M79er i kinda know what its like, i need precision too, but im still gonna get pissed when shot down by a guy assualting our base with a barret and shootign me at point blank

You know what kid rock said??...

"It aint bragging mother[:-censored]er if you back it up"

its easy to kill a good barret user with m79... just wait for them in places where they cant get a clear LoS (Line of Sight) and launch your rocket around the corner... since they cant hit you and you can hit them its a clear advantage. [:D]

the experienced, defensive, PATIENT barret user will win against a user of a different weapon because the opponent has little chance to kill in such a short time span we he loses patience and opens himself up.

I agree with Yin
Fear the power of the Steyr AUG!!!

Spectral i am with you. Defensive sniper will own anybody. Except for defensive sniper. Because both of em will sit there camping till the time runs out

you mean....campers? Don't make them pretty with words like "defensive" snipers...

well sure, you cant beat a camper, unless you camp

yea you can, unless theyre really good ;P

just blow them out of their camping spot with nades/rockets... [:D]

wow dude, you just explained it all to me......

Now i am gonna run at snipers with grenades, ph34r me!!

it works for me. *shrugs*