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sobchan
October 11, 2003, 7:56 pm
I started to play this cool game a week ago,
and I really having fun with this. ;)
After I tried all weapons, I found some point that
canbe modified to be more balanced game.

1.Deser Eagles
-slower reload
-quicker rapid-fire (with out auto)

2.HK MP5
-faster reload
-more sprayed bullets
-slower bullet-speed

3.AK-74
-faster bullet speed
-slower rapidfire

4.Steyr AUG
no change needed

5.Spas-12
-faster bullet speed
(canbe dodged too easily)

6.Ruger-77
no change needed

7.M79
-bigger damage range
-make lag before rocket comes out(anti-anti air-combat with M79)
-longer distance
-slower bulletspeed

8.Barret M82A1
-easy-to-see bullet-trail (like railgun in Quake3A)
or maybe big nozlfire, something that makes ppl find'em easier.

9.FN Minimi
-faster reload!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

0.XM214 Minigun
-slower rapidfire(this makes server laggy)
-slower bulletspeed
-weak knockback (ppl sometimes flying with this)

sub1.USSOCOM
-lower damage (maybe too strong for secondary weapon)

sub2.Combat Knife
no change needed

sub3.Chainsaw
-plz no reload to this weapon!
-maybe ballistic-shield or something other
secondary weapon would be here.

sub4.M72 LAW
no change needed


other suggestions

-quick weapon switch
I want to use SOCOM after running out of primaryweapons ammo,
but changing weapon awafully takes time.I think many people
just start reload without switching weapon.
It makes ppl not using secondary weapon somuch.

-Buy system
like CounterStrike ;)

-also recoil in normalmode
-2types of jet to select
one can stay in mid air for long time but can't go high quickly.
one can boosts up to high place but with few fuel fast recharge.
-red sniperline(LAM)
-spinning dodge in mid-air


These are the things that i suggest. Sorry for my bad English.
I really hope some of them willbe realized.

3rd_account
October 11, 2003, 8:26 pm
Holly macaroni! You japanese people amaze me again :)
Agree on everything, exept the buy system.

"-red sniperline(LAM)"
You can modify this in paint.
C:\Soldat\Interface-gfx\sight.bmp

I just painted my red and made it 2 pixels thick.

MeshBlorg
October 11, 2003, 8:27 pm
I dont agree with the buy system like CS, that would take too long and people would just kill you wehn u try to buy.

I agree withyou abuot hte chainsaw having no reload. I mean its just plain worse than the knife cause it has only a min. range while as the knife you can throw.

Aren't you a bit harsh on the minigun? People like to use it to fly up to places. I thinkt he socom is has decent damage.

I dont think there should be lag for the m79. I just want it to not do self-inflicting damage to me when I use it cause its a close quarters gun. Im fine with grenades having self-inflicting damage cause i use them sometimes to kill myself when I need to.

Yeah the minimi needs a way faster reload. And the mp5 definetly needs some improvements too. same goes for spas.

Haro1121
October 11, 2003, 9:06 pm
pfft the minigun is deadly in the right hands (flashback) runs up top in kampf grabs bezerk runs into blue base with minigun sprays all the people racks up hella kills(back to reality) good ideas sobchan i disagree on some but eh o well

Dark_Noddy
October 11, 2003, 9:48 pm
1.Deser Eagles
-slower reload - Maybe a bit.. Not Much !
-quicker rapid-fire - Nope !

2.HK MP5
-faster reload - Nja..
-more sprayed bullets - Nja..
-slower bullet-speed - Nope..

3.AK-74
-faster bullet speed - A bit maybe.. Just a tiny Tho.
-slower rapidfire - NO !

5.Spas-12
-faster bullet speed - Ja :D

7.M79
-bigger damage range - Hmm.. Not Much..
-make lag before rocket comes out(anti-anti air-combat with M79) - WTF ?!
-longer distance - Nja.. Not more then 1.05b ! Anyhow Changing This will make All M79rs n00bs again..
-slower bulletspeed - No !

8.Barret M82A1
-easy-to-see bullet-trail - maybe.. U can Do it Urself :D
or maybe big nozlfire, something that makes ppl find'em easier. - Why not ?!

9.FN Minimi
-faster reload!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - nja :D

0.XM214 Minigun
-slower rapidfire(this makes server laggy) - Does XM214 Minigun, Especialy "Minigun" Ring a bell ? Its fine
-slower bulletspeed - NO !
-weak knockback (ppl sometimes flying with this) - hehe.. Both Agree and Dont :D Its kinda Cool to fly with it.. But its annoying When Using The XM214 Minigun in battle

sub1.USSOCOM
-lower damage (maybe too strong for secondary weapon) - Hmph.. U got a damn Law ! Change This and Change LAW.. That Would Just Sux ! So dont ! Its Fine !

sub3.Chainsaw
-plz no reload to this weapon! - U basterd ! Played 114 ? It was the damn [:-censored]tiest Ages Of Soldat I have Xperianced.. O Lord !
-maybe ballistic-shield or something other
secondary weapon would be here. - Maybe..

-quick weapon switch
I want to use SOCOM after running out of primaryweapons ammo,
but changing weapon awafully takes time.I think many people
just start reload without switching weapon.
It makes ppl not using secondary weapon somuch. - I agree With this.. And I dont.. I Dont Like geting [:-censored]ed By a 1 hit killer missil from The Damn Law 1 sec after passing by a spawner.. (I dont Kill PPL Who just spawn.. I have Started to do this lately Tho Coz If U dont U get a M72 Antitnak Rocket Up ur ass !) But Then The Switch time is kinda Long..

-Buy system
like CounterStrike ;) - Psss ! No Way In hell !

-also recoil in normalmode - Bah ! Split up Real mode ! YEA ! Do it allready !! hehe
-2types of jet to select
one can stay in mid air for long time but can't go high quickly.
one can boosts up to high place but with few fuel fast recharge. - Hmph.. Could be kinda Cool If U had like a Selection.. U could Whenever The Jet was ful Change Between Burnout (Sucks Fuel Bad) or Fly (Sucks Less but is slower..)
-red sniperline(LAM) - Change Sight.bmp
-spinning dodge in mid-air - No need for this.. Would be Kinda kinky ass sweet Tho :D Whoopin Som1s ass Then Showing Off With a 3 Somusoult (or whatever)

3rd_account
October 11, 2003, 10:16 pm
The selection of jetpacks is the best suggestion. I'ma flame Michal til this gets implemented.

sobchan
October 12, 2003, 9:46 am
Thanks for LAM thing, No I changed it with cool red sniperline ;)

I'm having server called Japanese UTAMARO,
and many ppl say that Minigun makes terrible lag in the game.
The minigun's extremly high rate of fire causes trouble.
So I think low rate of fire with stronger knockback would be better, hows that?


Chain saw. hmm, I really want Shield in this slot.That does
perfect defence to the front and upper side.
oh maybe some kind of medkit that slowly recovers health(cant move while in action but infinitly usable)
oh maybe weak kevlar vest.(70% damage)

(low rate makes ppl can't fly, but stronger knockcack to make them keep flying and
also can shoot longer till end)

For the quick weapon switch, How about using the lagstuff that i wrote for "LAW" not for M79?
It will make sence.

-Buy-system
OK, here's a deal!
How about making weapon list fadeout if you doesn't have enough money to buy.
It means that if you have some money and died, the only weapon that you can buy
will be listed and the expensive weapon is in the list with dark black text.
I think it doesn't take too much time to decide. And with the spawn-killer problems,
2sec no damege + no attack when spawned will makeit better I think.(like Enemy Territory)









MisterX
October 12, 2003, 12:20 pm
I dont' agree.. I think most weapons are alright, just the barret has to be weaker or less accurate in close combat (while flying or running for example), because like it is now, it is an every-situation-easy-one-hit-kill-sniper-close-combat-weapon... in my opinion.
And lag before firing the grenade out of the m79 would just be anyoing.. and cs buy-system, as others said, would take to much time, and you would be killed while buying.. it's ok like it is.
and remember, just in my opinion *rolleyes*

[Edit]
and if SOCOM is too strong, then the knife is a super-weapon, because it is a 1-hit-kill weapon, and you can throw it

[Edit²]
Money in Soldat? nah.. most weapons are completly different to others, and many people just can handle 1 weapon good. if anyone would like to have barret, but hasnt enough money to buy it, he had to choose another weapon with wich he just sucks... it's alright without money.. i think

3rd_account
October 12, 2003, 12:58 pm
You know money wouldn't work in Soldat, because all weapons are balanced.. so they would all cost the same basicly.

Mr G
October 12, 2003, 5:04 pm
1.2 is about to arrive, you should wait to see the new weapon balance and then suggest

anyway 1 week playing soldat and you have good suggestions, you are in the right path :P

TIR_Blade
October 12, 2003, 6:22 pm
I say No reload for Chainsaw. It takes 2 hits to kill now instead of 1 like in 1.1.4 so it's gonna be difficult to keep a chainsaw on a guy and hit him twice with it. The Chainsaw definitely needs to be improved. In 1.1.4 it had 1 hit kill and no reload. Now it doesnt have 1 hit kill and has reload. They made it a toy now. Bring at least one characteristic back.