Hitman
December 2, 2005, 3:11 pm
I haven't been playing much Soldat over the past few months but during the times that I have I've encountered one extremely annoying problem; Uneven teams. I'm not sure if this has been suggested before, but if it has it obviously didn't get enough attention so I'm going to suggest it again.
I don't know what it is with most of these wankers that you encounter online but they seem to have a problem with simply switching teams when they become uneven. I think it's most likely because they don't want to lose their points, which brings me to one part of the suggestion, which is basically; if you switch teams you should keep your points.
The second part is that if you're stuck with a 4 v 3 game a bot should automatically join and even the teams. There could even possibly be a server message saying something along the lines of; Commando (Bot) has joined the game to even the teams. However, as soon as somebody tries to join the game the bot is automatically kicked.
I don't know how hard this is to code but I think it's pretty essential as uneven teams leave most of the people shouting "TEAMS", when they could simply switch themselves. In the games I've experienced it brings the round to a standstill until somebody does something as everybody is whining.
Seriously, Michal, please consider this.
Psyl3ntShad0w
December 2, 2005, 4:50 pm
i think it would be cool if there was an option to shuffle the teams before each round...but yeah...uneven teams is kind of annoying...although 2v3 can be fun sometimes.
Hercule Poirot
December 2, 2005, 5:23 pm
quote:Originally posted by Psyl3ntShad0wi think it would be cool if there was an option to shuffle the teams before each round...but yeah...uneven teams is kind of annoying...although 2v3 can be fun sometimes.
I agree maybe make a vote box for shuffle teams?
Also maybe michal could make command like /swap and it would change all players from red -> blue and blue -> red (would be very usefull in cws though players can change side themselfs but anyway...)
papasurf31
December 2, 2005, 7:28 pm
quote:Originally posted by Hitman
I don't know how hard this is to code but I think it's pretty essential as uneven teams leave most of the people shouting "TEAMS", when they could simply switch themselves.
Just to point out, most of the people who shout "TEAMS" are already on the undermanned tem, so if they switch, they'd be unbalancing it further.
I like the bot filler idea, where if teams are uneven for say, 5 minutes, a bot/s will join the game to keep it balanced. The only problem with this is playing on un-waypointed maps, where bots would do little more than act as sentries.
Keeping your points when switching teams would be good too.
Perhaps an auto-team balance server-side option where:
-if you join an unbalnced game, you are automatically assigned to the underpowered team, and not allowed to switch until teams are once again even/unbalanced in your teams favor.
-After 5 minutes, as an alternative to the bot idea, the teams can be reshuffled so that the team with less players will have the higher ranked ones in the server and the game with more players would have the lower ranked:
EX:
Alpha 3 players: ranked 1st, 3rd and 5th respectively.
Bravo 4 players: ranked 2nd, 4th, 6th and 7th.
Most everything else, I agree with.
Bugs Revenge
December 2, 2005, 8:43 pm
quote:Originally posted by Hercule Poirotquote:Originally posted by Psyl3ntShad0wi think it would be cool if there was an option to shuffle the teams before each round...but yeah...uneven teams is kind of annoying...although 2v3 can be fun sometimes.
I agree maybe make a vote box for shuffle teams?
Also maybe michal could make command like /swap and it would change all players from red -> blue and blue -> red (would be very usefull in cws though players can change side themselfs but anyway...)
Totaly agree..
there should be somekind of vote to make bot able to join, otherwise it would just annoy everyone who's waiting for 6th or etc.
Taxista
December 2, 2005, 9:10 pm
I think that keeping the scores when you change team its a good idea just like the bot idea.
But reshuffle teams its not good imo, since you would have to make your tactic again with new players.
reckon
December 2, 2005, 9:31 pm
But what level should the bot be?
N1nj@
December 2, 2005, 9:32 pm
I disagree with the adding bot when its uneven, do you think the bot will acutally help even out the team? The bots are just another free kill, and plus when you play on a custom map that isn't waypointed, then it loses its whole point. Also, even when the map is waypointed, the bot could end up getting stuck in polygon or what not.
But I agree to the keeping your point thing =) cause it will encourage players to swtich when the teams are uneven.
Michal
December 2, 2005, 9:44 pm
Yeah, uneven teams are annoying. I agree with your suggestion to keep scores, but I don't think this would help completely. Sometimes people have other reasons for not switching.
The best solution, I think, was one suggested by someone else a while ago.
If alpha has 1 more player than bravo, then the game will automatically stop a player from alpha from respawning once they die. Then, once the next alpha player dies, he is kept out, and the first is put back in, and so on.
In this way, both teams will always have the same number of players at one time on the map.
Of course, this should be a server option for those who want uneven teams for whatever reason.
I think the player who is temporarily kept out should go into spectator mode for that time until the next person on his team dies (so they aren't too bored ;]).
DragonSlayer
December 2, 2005, 9:45 pm
quote:The second part is that if you're stuck with a 4 v 3 game a bot should automatically join and even the teams. There could even possibly be a server message saying something along the lines of; Commando (Bot) has joined the game to even the teams. However, as soon as somebody tries to join the game the bot is automatically kicked.
I hate playing with bots. I wouldn't think this is a good idea. Besides, forcing to join a bot is going too far.
Keeping points would work though.
LazehBoi
December 2, 2005, 9:47 pm
Michal's idea is an excellent one.
grand_diablo
December 2, 2005, 10:37 pm
I like the idea of keeping your points, but I doubt that Michal's idea would work.
Player numbers can fluctuate extremely, and you definitely get annoyed if you get switched to specmode once a minute because someone leaves or joins and makes the teams uneven. This would be even more annoying the bigger the server is.
N1nj@
December 2, 2005, 11:07 pm
Making players unable to play a game in a server they joined is bad and not fair, even when each takes turn.
People join to have fun and play a game, so IMO in order to fix this uneven teams, we should follow what CS do.
Bascially, when the game is X vs. X+2 (e.g. 2 v 4), then the best player (the one with best points) from the team with more players will be force to join to the other team with less players without losing his/hers points and scores. Of course, an admin message sent saying 'Teams are going to be evened out next round', or something along that line. And once the (best) player dies, he/she will be switch to the other team and respawns. And we will have an even team =)
Vijchtidoodah
December 2, 2005, 11:08 pm
There's a penalty in respawn times for infiltration, why can't it just be added to ctf also?
Psyl3ntShad0w
December 3, 2005, 3:23 am
i'd like to add that i think shuffling teams should be a default server setting...since a lot of people seem to use default.
Michal Marcinkowski
December 3, 2005, 11:50 am
This is a good idea to make some sort of auto-balance. But I won't make it in this version. It could be fixed together with preserving points when changing teams, but some other time.
Taxista
December 3, 2005, 11:57 am
I like Spyder idea and keep points when you change team. But shuffling teams its not good imo because you are playing with some players and you have your tactic, then after shuffle you would have to do tactic again with new players.