Hey all and micheal plz read this you will be happy :),

I wanna code a 3D soldat not 2d but 3d and first person.
Than the name will be Soldat 3D.
If you help me i allready have the sounds and allready starting to code it now.
But i need help with the mapping so anyone who wants to help add support@havokwh.com on msn.
I need some people to model the weapons to ill make the stuff we will use the sounds of soldat that's populair now.
This could be a big step and than soldat will get more populair :).
Im from havokwh and i make games im still thinking up a name so i can have name for my gamemaking company.
Well anyway hope you like and accept the idea.
My msn and e-mail is support@havokwh.com

O yeah and don't forget the gametypes im going to put in :
Capture the Flag
Objective
Search and destroy
deathmatch
team deathmatch

Regards,

Havok

Moved to Developers Corner from Game Improvements/Suggestions. - Stalky

I can beta test it for you,just contact me when you're first little things are done,even when it's just one gun and one map,no matter what,I'll beta test it. I'm psyched.

wait... so what can you do? like, what programming language do you use, what have you made before, et cetera. and his name's MICHAL, by the way.

o..k.. so how many months are you planning on programming for? Good Luck!

lol this reminds me of that thread ages ago with that guy who said
"Im going to make a soldat game, i need a coder to do all the coding for me."

<3 the website template, especially the lovely alignment of the text on the sidebar

Well im even coding my own fps and own protection system and tested it and it was even better than VAC (Valve anti cheat) if made couple of cheats for the fps i made like you can use godmode and wallhack and aimbot but every hack i made i got banned from server ofcourse there was only my server so i can always start it up again but first thing i need = some help on designing the weapons and hands and stuff like that. and im programming it in C++ program im ussing = Dev-C++

g0t screenshots?

Soldat 3d? /: (
dude... i like soldat coz its 2d.
but what the hell, go on and make it, im curious! xD

Why do I have a feeling that this won't work?

No enense no screenshots cause the anti cheat system aint really done if found some bugs in it first i want everything properly u know only i hope michal will help cause he is soldat creator i wanna add in his ideas but he doesn't seem to contact me back.
If this takes to long ill just make the models and skins and ill try to keep it as it is now but i think some stuff will change like the choose color system but ill try to make everything as it's now only in 3d and first person.
O yeah and i hope michal makes his soldat 2d anti-cheat soldat 3d compatable to.

Haha ^that^ is rather convenient wouldn't you say also I'd like to know how one person managed to beat a system thats taken many professional developers many years to make and even it is not perfect(nor is punkbuster, or any of the other anti cheat systems, why? cheaters are ingenious in their efforts to not suck). On another note, wouldnt soldat 3d effectively just be like every other fps on the planet?

What sets soldat apart is that its 2d and you only have 2 dimensions to run away from a bullet instead of 3.

3D soldat? Sounds awsome. Mainly I like Soldat because its 2D platform action, but this sounds like Soldat will make a humungous turn for the best once its finished. I wish you good luck.

how many projects have started how many have never been made?

i worked more than 1 year on that anti cheat my friend i am almost finished with it always wanted to make games and i had the programs so i was allready starting to make the files but the anti cheat system will be activated at the patch when it comes out first i want to make a demo to show you how the game looks and a little 1 singel player vs bots map to test if you like it if you do wait a bit longer than the soldat 3d full will come with only online game play the single player is just a server and only for you with some bots just like it is now.

soldat 3d? why??

well it's populair now so i thought why not make the same only first person and 3d instead of 2d and side scrolling and it will make soldat even more populair cause many people are searching free fps online and since soldat has the register / free system im going to do the same in soldat 3d only everything 3d it will take long time tho it's hard to code everything.
If you wanna help add support@havokwh.com to your msn tomorrow ill be online again now im going to play some soldat speak to ya tomorrow whoever wants to help.

quote:Originally posted by Havoki worked more than 1 year on that anti cheat my friend i am almost finished with it always wanted to make games and i had the programs so i was allready starting to make the files but the anti cheat system will be activated at the patch when it comes out first i want to make a demo to show you how the game looks and a little 1 singel player vs bots map to test if you like it if you do wait a bit longer than the soldat 3d full will come with only online game play the single player is just a server and only for you with some bots just like it is now.

I smell bull[CENSORED].
Feel free to prove me wrong.

I wish you the best of luck Havok. Is this just you working on it? If not,how many people are currently working on it? Also, if you registered Soldat (2D), then will you be registered in Soldat 3D?

quote:Originally posted by b00stAquote:Originally posted by Havoki worked more than 1 year on that anti cheat my friend i am almost finished with it always wanted to make games and i had the programs so i was allready starting to make the files but the anti cheat system will be activated at the patch when it comes out first i want to make a demo to show you how the game looks and a little 1 singel player vs bots map to test if you like it if you do wait a bit longer than the soldat 3d full will come with only online game play the single player is just a server and only for you with some bots just like it is now.

I smell bull[CENSORED].
Feel free to prove me wrong.

Can we see some screenshots of your production of "Soldat 3D"?

quote:Originally posted by Da cHeeSeMaNhow many projects have started how many have never been made?
i have over 150 unfinished gamemaker files on my comp.

It wouldn't be soldat without the 2d.

I'd rather have a 3d graphics with the 2d game. Then we could mode the models. It would be like super smash brothers in the eviroment setup.

Haha, lol.
You need a big coders team, graphicman, 3d-graphicman, interface man.. u r so stupid ~~
I'll be watching your steps, lil` man.

Well i can't give you public screenshots yet and im still working on the stuff still not finished but soon ill give the beta testers a test but it will take long making 3d game is not as easy as 2d cause 3d you need model files than the skin files than the whole stuff arround it.

If you wanna help with soldat 3d just add me on msn my msn = support@havokwh.com

well, my friend makes a 3d shooting game (based on mostly on quake as he is a big quake fan..) for his diploma-project. It will be cool i guess, but ofcourse the project isn't so well-developed yet, but the basics are ready, you can walk, jump, look around, etc...

Yeah that's what i mean it doesn't have to be the gfx like in half life 2 or counter-strike source but a bit like quake and counter-strike 1.6 to keep the soldat skins style but ill just try to make it it will take long time and some saying those things about me that i can't make it if i go for it and keep going going and going than it will be real if you keep crying about blabla this blabla that than just stop whining wait and see until it's done i started few days ago so it's 3d not 2d 2d you can make in let's say if your a good coder 2 months maybe even 1 maybe 2 weeks but 3d takes a year or half year even for a proffesional coder so if you think your the best coder than make a 3d game for me in 1 month or day or week well any bigmouths ??? cause you are making me pissed with the whining if you don't believe me than just shut it if you do just give idea's and stuff and if you want you can help me with stuff but the whiners just wait and see and if you just keep whining than just whine somewhere else maybe they will make a whine area for all the whiners just wait and see first the beta testers can see if it's cool when i got beta done than there will come a demo for public to see if everyone likes it and than the full version so just wait.

PLEASE USE PUNCTUATION!

Post screens, I don't believe you

hello that's what im trying to say i don't have screenshots for it yet and when i have they are not going to be public yet the public screenshots will come as soon as possible stop asking i don't know if you read right but what im trying to say is im still coding it 3d takes almost more than a year and 2d will only take couple of months if you are good coder so stop asking for screenshots and wait just wait just wait and wait wait wait and stop pissing me off with those stupid questions

Post a screen when u do "coding"

NO PUBLIC SCREENSHOTS YET UNTIL MICHAL HIMSELF LIKES THE LAYOUT/GAMESTYLE OF GAME THAN THERE WILL BE A BETA FOR SOLDAT STAFF SO SEE IF THEY LIKE THE GAMEPLAY AND THAN A PUBLIC BETA SO YOU CAN SEE JUST NOT NOW IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME THAN JUST STOP POSTING AND WAIT FOR PROVE INSTEAD OF WHINING FOR IT LIKE LITTLE BABY'S JUST WAIT.......

...Caps dont help, My friend.

well since you don't understand if i type small ill type big so u understand...

1. indev screens! *runs and hides*
2. I prefer 3rd person cam, would fit more to Soldat

what engine are you using?
what program are you modelling in?
who else is involved?
what size are your skin maps?
will you use bumpmapping?
do you know how to UV correctly?

you guys are so encouraging. I will be helping him with some of the networking and maybe some other stuff.

what engine are you using? making my own or maybe the hl1 engine
what program are you modelling in? im not good in modelling and don't have programs for it but i know where to get a program and good tutorial.
who else is involved? Enesce
what size are your skin maps? not sure yet i don't know until everything is done
will you use bumpmapping? i think i will
do you know how to UV correctly? yes

If someone wants to help just add support@havokwh.com and tell me you wanna help.

3d soldat? then it would be a normal shooting game. i like soldat cuz its 2d.

Maybe you should be able to make it First and Third person like Star Wars Battlefront. Have a button that toggles it. Like Star Wars Battlefront.

or like command and conquer renegade... ahh the good times... who am i kidding!?!?
i want screenshots damnit!

i can do 3d model/map if you want ...

i just think it'd funny he's thinking of making his own engine.

^^ yup

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are some programming screens. i am using the saurerbraten engine. it is based on the cube engine. you can view some screenshots of the engine and the official website of the engine at [URL]

that is what i call Screenshot :D

And yeah are you making a soldat 3d version too?

Those are just screenshots of the fmod headers... it shows us nothing, I can make screenshots like that. In 5 minutes.

forget about the stupid screenshots, he says he gonna do it, he'll do it. Let him work on the game and stop answering the same question over and over. Its not that important.

Well forgive us for being skeptical, but I think we have grounds, I don't know about anyone else but I frequent alot of other forums, specifically game forums, and you see people all the time come on and say "I am going to make a <3D version of [insert something here] | mmorpg | the greatest game you will ever play>"

Not only do they not have any real design goals they don't understand the incredible undertaking they are ... undertaking.

Don't get me wrong just because I'm skeptical doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a project like this succeed. Its just its a little hard to find credibility in a project that has no real outline, or progress to show.

Yea I think the same.
It's hard to believe that you will ever finish it without any plans on technologies you wanna use. Just one example: Physics. There are many APIs to simulate physics. What about netcode? What about the network architecture (CS,PP,PP-CA)? My brother and I are working on networked physics (in C#) and it's pretty hard. We even read papers from universities and stuff to get some ideas and to make it in a proper way.

And there's much more you can use for a 3D game. You say that 3D is so much harder as 2D, but want to make your own engine (or use HL1 ..). Maybe you should check all the possibilities before you start coding. There are free engines like OGRE3D or very cheap ones for like 100?. And don't say that it is not needed because you are a oh so leet programmer and that its done in a short time.

Anyway. All I want to say is that you should think about the architecture and stuff. And that it is not easy to find a good architecture on your own. Get some people and talk about it. If your archticture sucks it will end like Soldat - hard to maintain.
That's why peemonkey and the others asked for more details.

But I dont want to be all that negative. Maybe you already made some more plannings on stuff like that. And its always good to have a vision in mind - and to make mistakes, so that you can learn from them ;)

IMO it's just not needed to run around and cry "I wanna code a 3D soldat blabla" and "I need people to help me .." if you have nothing to offer.

Happy coding :)

*Cough* Soldatsource */cough cough*
<.< >.>



Sorry man, but someone beat you to it.

Soldatsource is a mod for a different game. You could hardly call it a new 3D soldat.

quote:Originally posted by DenackeSoldatsource is a mod for a different game. You could hardly call it a new 3D soldat.


Exactly. SoldatSource is a mod for a game called Half-Life 2. I'm sure not everyone would like to go out and buy Half-Life 2 just to play the Soldat mod for it. This game will be exactly what he said it would be. A game. Not a mod.

if u guys want screens of c programming and not just .h files then i can show u those. those were just the files that were open and they are easy to understand since there are no loops in them. just thought they would be good for public rapterion. anyways i havent actually recompiled anything yet since i was on new years vacation and i have a ton of homework.

we don't care if there are loops or not. some of us can read c++, so it shouldn't be a problem. just make sure to show meaningful bits of coding that havok actually made, not fmod.

so um any progress?

havok reply to my emails. i said i would help you. just like enesce did. and i will do some of the physics. and if anyone else wants to talk to me my msn is "whackashoe@msn.com"

i don't know why, but i always feel like havok has about 4 profiles.

only 4? :O

im not havok.

Yeah you could show us some screenshots with loops in em, loops arent exactly complicated... but anyways, my gripe with those other screenshots is they pretty well cement the idea that you have absolutely no progress done on this project (since you did after all try to show us screens of someone elses work as proof of your own progress), because if you did, you'd show us a demo of your amazing cheater busting software that beat thousands of professionals effort, and years and years of development.

The reason your hard to believe is because 99% of anyone who wants to be taken seriously and isnt just blowing smoke, comes in with some screenshots, good or bad, doesnt matter, fact is, they come in with proof before they start making rediculous claims. Do you know how long quake3 took to make? Somewhere around 4-5 years with something like 10 people workings on it. Your one person(possibley 3). I'm not saying your gonna make something of the calibre of quake3, though the basic idea is the same, quake3 would incorporate most of the things you want to, great physics, fast fun gameplay, flexible engine, and so on.

quote:Originally posted by rapterionYeah you could show us some screenshots with loops in em, loops arent exactly complicated... but anyways, my gripe with those other screenshots is they pretty well cement the idea that you have absolutely no progress done on this project (since you did after all try to show us screens of someone elses work as proof of your own progress), because if you did, you'd show us a demo of your amazing cheater busting software that beat thousands of professionals effort, and years and years of development.

The reason your hard to believe is because 99% of anyone who wants to be taken seriously and isnt just blowing smoke, comes in with some screenshots, good or bad, doesnt matter, fact is, they come in with proof before they start making rediculous claims. Do you know how long quake3 took to make? Somewhere around 4-5 years with something like 10 people workings on it. Your one person(possibley 3). I'm not saying your gonna make something of the calibre of quake3, though the basic idea is the same, quake3 would incorporate most of the things you want to, great physics, fast fun gameplay, flexible engine, and so on.





Yes, true that... I personally think he's trying to buy respect from Soldat'ers.

hey u guys. relize i am not running this. havok wont contact me and ive done no real programming, just posted screens of other peoples work to show i could work on it guess. no point to post more screenshots, go to sourceforge and get our engine if u want to look at it i guess. and rapterion you are right. we do not have any progress. actually the only thing havok sent me in email was like ok thats cool you are willing to help. so please since i do not mean to say stuff i dont mean(since i never said anything either)

m8 if allready added u on msn but i don't know where you are from cause when im online your offline...

havok, your website has mental problems. try this: click on staff, then after that loads, click on home. lol on you.

it also seems that you've started yet another project, a soldat 2d clone thingy. if you have your mind set on what you want to do, you won't get sidetracked. obviously, you don't care much about soldat 3d if you're making another soldat at the same time.

ok yeah i have you on msn. but im online a lot so idk. email me then.

You wont get any vets or hardcore soldat players to jump over to it even if you do pull it off. Theres quite a few knock offs floatin around and an already 3d type one anyway.

dont worry Havoc. ill help you. somehow... if i can only fined that thing i printed about c++, damn it was like 50 pages to!

ehh, ill beta test i guess, doesnt sound too hard.

If i promise someone im making a game or website or anything i always do it.
I will especially make 3d version only if michal supports the idea cause it's his game michal this can be the biggest breakthrough maybe many people like it in 2d but i know for sure if the 3d beta is out they will like it.

I would be interested in seeing this done. If you need any help let me know.

I been working on some games myself and have the torqu game engine indie license. It would be perfect as a platform for this 3D game. I have a FPS game already started with Lobby/Master Server code and also IRC style chat. I was trying to figure out what type of game to make using it. Military or Cyborg-Mid-Evil?? Anyways. Dig in and keep at it. If I can be of some help let me know.

Soldat source is a mod for a mod for a game.
S:S -> Gmod -> HL2

<3 Source Engine

i have crap computer!! Soldat 2d is great for lamZz0r no grpahic computers but if a 3d version was made it would be a good idea... though im worried about massive lag...

3d would also change the whole original soldat look.

Well tell me your specs and than i can try to figure out.

Soldat is popular due to its simplicity. A 3d game with the same name will NOT make it more popular.... mark my words.

So.. You want to meake you own Conter strike?

Soldat is pretty much a genre of it's own, sure I believe you're making 3d soldat, I might even play it, but no way in hell is anyone going to play it as a substitute for soldat. Also with 3d soldat is ther a map editor? does 3d soldat use soldat like maps, or is it more like a traditional 1st person shooter? Another of the many beauties of soldat is that it is so easily moddable, from making or downloading maps, to changing the weapons.ini, to totally transforming the gosteks. Will all of this be possible in your soldat substitute?

Miglot, you are obsessed with the traitor squirrel! It's c-o-u-n-t-e-r, not c-o-n-k I mean t-e-r. Sorry Havoc for disrupting your post with anti blasphemistic turncoat squirrel campaigning.

Gl ;]
I wanna see if u will make something in 3d about soldat

well, if you want to know, making a 3D game by oneself IS possible, my friend makes one, for his final exam. If you doubt it, go and see yourself: www.freearena.tk
It isn't ready yet, of course, and it is much more developed than the version you can download from the site, but you can try it out at least. The latest version is multiplayer already, with a few bugs of course.

So if you are lost with the site (cos it's full in hungarian), don't worry. Click on "Letöltés" and then click on "Letöltés(ZIP)" next to "0.75"

I will help also too on your game I am a good 3d modeller and also have access to 4d modelling technology which runs on supercomputers it will make making soldat 3d faster I hope Michal has talked to you and supported you I hope everyone will join in and help you with coding I can do levels and make sweet guns

My stupidity meter just exploded and showered my face with red-hot molten glass.
This thread is ridiculous.

Mine exploded long ago.

I'm apologize Havoc. My previous message was very mean. I study a bit of linguistics and can be picky with grammar on particular days. *sigh* It's almost like being vain. Anyhow,

What makes Soldat so unique in the first place is it's brilliant 2d play. But also Soldat has no story line, except "a bunch of guys decided to kill eachother". So a 3d version wouln't be any different from other 3d fps games except graphics and certain features such as flight. Any mode of play in Soldat is the same as it's 3d cousins; CTF, Deathmatch, etc. When it comes to 3d, Tribes is the only 3d game that can run on same low specs as Soldat and just like in Soldat you can fly around. Plus the maps are huge. Tribes is also free now: http://www.planettribes.com/tribes/tribes_top50.shtml

This doesn't mean that soldat 3d is a bad idea. If you were thinking of a 3d version where you also had 3d versions of the 2d soldat maps.. i.e. floating chunks of land, bridges and what not.. that would be kinda cool.

So my suggestion is this. Try a Tribes mod where you have the 3d versions of the soldat maps. Then if the game works out and looks pretty sweet and people like it, then go on and make a soldat 3d game.

In this case however, with Tribes you have a free 3d fps engine with flight physics so you don't have to do the extra coding. A Tribes mod would be good enough. And of course mods themselves are moddable.

So, good luck Havok. Remember, whatever you create... have fun with it. If you have a fast system, I'd suggest getting Half Life 2 if you can and getting Gary's Mod. You'd have loads of fun. Take care.

--Snow.

I don't like too much the idea to make Soldat 3D, unless you make like 2 different sites or something. I think the 3D version will go slow, unless you have a really good internet connection.
If this plan goes on, please don't "overwrite" Soldat in 2D, make 2 sites or something.
This is just my opinion.

^I don't think so... Call of Duty 2 has waaaay better graphics than any other game I've seen and it's really, really fast over the internet.

soldat isnt going to be soldat anymore if u make it 3d...it'll just be another kind of shooter like Halo...

Look what I found:
http://forum.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=90030

Looks like somebody already has a working beta (mayba alpha) version of a Soldat 3D.
It's called Soldat Source and he used Garry's Mod to make it.
Garry's is a Half-Life 2 mod that let's you build all kinds of stuff.. even new Mods.

I haven't tried it yet.
Yes.. you need HL2 and Garry's Mod installed to run it.
(for screenshots and download visit the link above)

Soldat's gameplay is based on 2D, releasing a 3D version will kill Soldat's gameplay, the best example I can think of must be the ability to throw a knife at someone.... :p

By the way, there is no such thing as 4D (X, Y and Z axis, is there possible to add another axis?) :p

I wouldn't mind a 3d soldat in a 2d platform perspective though. Oh wait i think crimson glory is like this idea!..

The fourth dimension is time, however manipulating the 4th dimension in a 3D modelling studio isn't exactly something thats difficult to do, hell if your 3D modeller cannot create animations, then you can do it yourself, so in that way, every 3D studio can alter all 4 dimensions. Also there has been mention that a 3D version would be laggy, to this I have 2 points.

1) Have you played soldat? Its laggyer then hell most of the time, with missed nades, and laws, and 5 ruger shots to kill someone.

2) Lag has absolutely positively nothing to do with graphics, its dependant on net code, and how well that net code is written, you could have a 3D game with super fast net code, and you could have a 2D game that laggyer then hell because of bad net code.

not good, another person claimed they were making a soldat 3-d

I thought the fourth dimension was like... when you can feel what you see... hence why they call those movies where they spray water on you '4D' movies..

...that's not water En... What you watching anyway?

I agree about the netcode thing.

It was called underage squirters ;)

Is this project even alive still?

umm no, that water squirting stuff would be atmosphere... really weird atmosphere at that. In our universe the current 4 dimensions are 3 spatial dimensions, and one time dimension, of course since as a whole humans know about as much about our "reality" as we do about alien races this could be horrifically wrong. Oh and I don't think this project ever really was alive.

 Quote:Originally posted by rainriderHaha, lol.
You need a big coders team, graphicman, 3d-graphicman, interface man.. u r so stupid ~~
I'll be watching your steps, lil` man.



He dont need all that if he makes it himself.
It might take a while but I have made a 3D game before called
ghosthunters. It wasnt that goodlooking and quite buggy but still it
was a 3D game and I made everything myself. So I guess you are the
stupid one here.

 Quote:Originally posted by rapterionThe fourth dimension is time, however manipulating the 4th dimension in a 3D modelling studio isn't exactly something thats difficult to do, hell if your 3D modeller cannot create animations, then you can do it yourself, so in that way, every 3D studio can alter all 4 dimensions. Also there has been mention that a 3D version would be laggy, to this I have 2 points.

1) Have you played soldat? Its laggyer then hell most of the time, with missed nades, and laws, and 5 ruger shots to kill someone.

2) Lag has absolutely positively nothing to do with graphics, its dependant on net code, and how well that net code is written, you could have a 3D game with super fast net code, and you could have a 2D game that laggyer then hell because of bad net code.


Michal, plz get a better net code for Soldat cuz I hav 56k and I lag lotz! Dat ish y I nev3r play S0ldaT nemore! I train a lot un botz which is why I am s00ooo000 good! =[ I want 2 play w/ reel playe3rs th0.

For the love of God, can you please never type like that again.

Some typing mistakes are forgivable and whatever, but when you actually use MORE time to put zero's into 'so' which would be faster just using the o's its...my god.

Seriously, noone will take you seriously if you type like an autistic platypus.